[quote]It's about the group dynamic. It's not just about a casual dynamic. It's about an understanding of people committed to playing the roles in raids. And preparing. With raids, you don't just jump into them. You've got to prepare before you go in, and decide, what are you doing? What am I doing? Let's all talk about it in orbit. Okay, what role are you going to play? Well, I'm an x Titan, whatever type of Titan I am, and I'm going to be defensive and hold positions. And, have you played this before? Yeah, I found success when I did it this way.[/quote] Sure looks like you're letting us do this Bungie! Oh wait...

This patch I think is intended to make people play the game for longer. Think about it. It's generally accepted that when players beat a game on its hardest difficulty and when they've accomplished the toughed tasks the game has to offer they move on to other games because that game is no longer challenging them anymore. By making the end boss insanely difficult less people will beat it and that will give them incentive to keep playing until they do beat Atheon. It will give them a goal. Case in point: if it wasn't for that insane boss in FFXII I would have stopped playing that game long before I did. Instead I spent weeks grinding for the best gear just to take him down. I suspect that Bungie are surprised that so many players are going through the raid on hard so quickly. I suspect they underestimated players and I think this patch is intended to give players a protracted goal by making that goal incredibly difficult for them. It's clever, and it's been done before.

[quote]I have not complained about any changes to this game. - Loot Cave - okay, patch it (and you gave us a fun Easter Egg at that). - Gun nerfs/buffs - you guys know best, you can watch how we play and address what's needed to provide multiple alternatives with weapon selection in PVP. - Templar column - Even though I backed this as a "strategy", I only tried to help *one* group that insisted on it and my group has always had dedicated roles in that fight. We played the ground game and continue to do so, we're better and faster at it. - Atheon "baby bumpers" - Yes, please. They're not necessary when you have a good team who play well together and know roles that we have unanimously determined by preference and vote. I didn't support the bug that broke him. - Atheon's teleport behavior? - Please, Bungie, please. Most successful Raid teams have found that different members are better at different roles. This is a TEAM event. I, for one, am the dedicated Relic-holder for that fight. We've watched gameplay mechanics, we developed a system, a strategy, to break our group into two. Portal team does what needs to be done in the portals, and Gatekeeper team survives the hordes of suicidal Harpies, opens the necessary gate, and generally does the most damage to Atheon once Portal team is out, because we're busy getting ready to go back in again. [b]The Atheon teleport change will break not only our strategy, but most successful teams' strategies.[/b] The fight will be utter chaos. Not everyone plays the same role in a team - that's what makes a TEAM. If we could all perform the same roles, we'd be interchangeable. Why stay together? Our group dynamics are great and we all get along well, but the glitches in Atheon's fight were tough enough to get through without someone raging. The deaths of a single dedicated member alone can make the fight unwinnable. [b]We are using legitimate strategy there, Bungie.[/b] There is no unfair advantage, no taking advantage of unfair enemy behavior (some predictability is not a bad thing!), we just got our team 100% set this week! Not everyone can be expected to perform the same in a team. We all have strengths and weaknesses and that is part of what brings us together. [b]We fill in each other's gaps in playstyle to complete the group.[/b] Please rethink this Atheon patch. "Baby bumpers" are great. Make the community fight for their victory! But don't completely trash mechanics that aren't broken. I know six of me could not beat this Raid, nor could six of any other gamer I know. Level playing fields are great, but don't take away our individual strengths. Sorry for the long post. I have reposted this in the Feedback forum where it belongs, as I've asked others who post in the #destiny category. [b]I've always supported you guys and plan on continuing to... Don't break the Raid, please![/b][/quote] best thread ive seen my sentiments excatly bungie dont ruin our team dynamics

Yeah, this is definitely one of the dumbest things they've done in the game. Who the shit fights against the ability to strategize? I actually think that the raid developer wasn't told of the teleporting mechanic, and he was butthurt that the players could figure it out when he thought it was random.

[quote]I have not complained about any changes to this game. - Loot Cave - okay, patch it (and you gave us a fun Easter Egg at that). - Gun nerfs/buffs - you guys know best, you can watch how we play and address what's needed to provide multiple alternatives with weapon selection in PVP. - Templar column - Even though I backed this as a "strategy", I only tried to help *one* group that insisted on it and my group has always had dedicated roles in that fight. We played the ground game and continue to do so, we're better and faster at it. - Atheon "baby bumpers" - Yes, please. They're not necessary when you have a good team who play well together and know roles that we have unanimously determined by preference and vote. I didn't support the bug that broke him. - Atheon's teleport behavior? - Please, Bungie, please. Most successful Raid teams have found that different members are better at different roles. This is a TEAM event. I, for one, am the dedicated Relic-holder for that fight. We've watched gameplay mechanics, we developed a system, a strategy, to break our group into two. Portal team does what needs to be done in the portals, and Gatekeeper team survives the hordes of suicidal Harpies, opens the necessary gate, and generally does the most damage to Atheon once Portal team is out, because we're busy getting ready to go back in again. [b]The Atheon teleport change will break not only our strategy, but most successful teams' strategies.[/b] The fight will be utter chaos. Not everyone plays the same role in a team - that's what makes a TEAM. If we could all perform the same roles, we'd be interchangeable. Why stay together? Our group dynamics are great and we all get along well, but the glitches in Atheon's fight were tough enough to get through without someone raging. The deaths of a single dedicated member alone can make the fight unwinnable. [b]We are using legitimate strategy there, Bungie.[/b] There is no unfair advantage, no taking advantage of unfair enemy behavior (some predictability is not a bad thing!), we just got our team 100% set this week! Not everyone can be expected to perform the same in a team. We all have strengths and weaknesses and that is part of what brings us together. [b]We fill in each other's gaps in playstyle to complete the group.[/b] Please rethink this Atheon patch. "Baby bumpers" are great. Make the community fight for their victory! But don't completely trash mechanics that aren't broken. I know six of me could not beat this Raid, nor could six of any other gamer I know. Level playing fields are great, but don't take away our individual strengths. Sorry for the long post. I have reposted this in the Feedback forum where it belongs, as I've asked others who post in the #destiny category. [b]I've always supported you guys and plan on continuing to... Don't break the Raid, please![/b][/quote]Seriously I quit if you go through with this bullshit.

I agree as well, I just completed the vault on hard. I don't know how we're going to do it now that we don't have a set team. Everyone had a specific role, now the vault will be somewhat impossible for some gamers. Don't add this Bungie, you're ruining one of the best things that made the vault great!

DO NOT CHANGE THE TELEPORT MECHANICS.

Bump

Agree why change something after everyone has learned it.

The random teleporting will destroy raid groups and those guys that we choose to be on portal patrol or oracle killing are going to suck..

Completly agree with you, i think this new atheon random teleport is going to ruin the raid

I agree 100% with the original poster. This may be the update that puts me over the edge and makes me quit this game. Even though I bought a season pass. What a fool I was...

Whelp I'm done attempting this raid. Alternatively everyone who does the raid will switch towards a titan defender meta creating a one correct strategy that was claimed to be wrong in an earlier update.

bump....I haven't beaten atheon since I've only attempted the raid once...I really hope Bungie listens to this particular feedback

Bump ;)

Bump.

Great post.

Couldn't agree more

The changing of the teleport mechanic is fine, and I fully support making something that was supposed to be a truly insurmountable task more challenging. But if we talk about what the real problem is, the raid gives you nothing. The raid, as is, takes an hour or so with a team that is comfortable with one another. Adding in this new mechanic of random teleports sounds challenging. I don't know that raids are even worth completing as is, even with certainty I can complete them. The raids need either more rewards, or better ones to warrant completing (less ascendant energies, more shards). The game needs more and/or better rewards to warrant playing. Not that it isn't fun, but a game about loot that has fairly limited loot? Not so interesting.

We can only hope they listen to you good sir.... If they change the telephoning we are all screwed....

I agree whole heartedly with this post. Hopefully who ever reads these posts will see this one and look at the "patch" again. but I wont hold my breath.

the arheon random teleportation best update ever !! Atheon is the strongest boss of the game, of course he can teleport who he wants!!