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To be honest, most things that are "fixed" seem ridiculous. Most "fixes" are from idiots sharing cool techniques with others or complaining about how much they loose to this or that.
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I don't like the direction Bungie has started taking with Destiny in recent patches. I feel as though they're trying to nerf PvE as a promotion for PvP, perhaps in response to the upcoming release of Call of Duty. I'm personally more of a PvE player. The ripples from patches in my little corner of that community do not bode well for the future of Destiny.
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As someone who hasn't played the raid yet or should I say never made it through the first gate where you have to form the spire...f**k. From what I've heard it already sounds extremely hard as it should be but I haven't even beaten it as is so that I know what to expect and now you're telling me it's going to be harder. Who now is going to be willing to bring people like me and others new to the raid along with them no one. They could have simply fixed the the making Atheon fall off a cliff stuff and left the rest alone.
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7 RepliesWell it goes against what they 1st said about the raid. About people knowing their place in the team. It is like they took some of the "random" away from the Craptard (thank god!) and we're like.... "OK everyone we have a problem. As you all know since we fixed that engram guy we now have this spare bit of "random" here, just kicking around, and I don't like it one bit! Any ideas on where to put it?" "Hmm that's a tough one. Seeing as "random" was our buzz word on everything to do with Destiny I don't think there's anywhere to put it" Long pause and much beard stroking...... "Oh I know!" *Checks through the notes made on the back of a napkin* "I think we can squeeze that into the VoG. Yeah there's room at the end boss fight. To hell with players making plans and everyone knowing their part and to hell with what we said about this. The players might hate it but just let Deej take all the heat on the forums. *Chuckles* I mean he's great at making those oh so silly replies to problems that instantly calm everyone down" *everyone laughs* "Riiiight. Good idea...phew...Great work guys, we wouldn't want to waste a bit of "random" now would we. Let's get to work!!!" *Everyone cheers and pats each other on the back*
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Raider 1: Oh yeaaaa guys we found a new strategy/way to beat Atheon w/o fighting him with brute strength and weapon power. U know, Maybe instead of fighting him we use a different tactic and just knock him off the edge. Atheon is silly enough/programmed to walk off the edge so lets do that. Raider 2: Great, we have two warlocks that have grenades that we can use to knock him off Raider 3: Alright guys, good to go. *rest of the raiders follow*. *Atheon Defeated* Bungie Overlords: No guardians, That is not how we intend for you to beat Atheon. We are putting up baby bumps. Something like a beginners bowling alley, to keep the all-powerful Atheon from being beaten so easily just by simply falling of the cliff. Raiders 1,2,3,4,5: Dammit mann Raider 6: Oh well, At least i got the Vex.
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Edited by juwy100: 10/19/2014 6:50:13 PMI have a bad feeling this is just gonna make hunters in raids even more useless and unwanted. Titans have always been good for holding down the teleporters and warlocks get that revive if needed. I found that the best help I could give was shoot the oracles and enemies with my golden gun.
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I feel like bungie is constantly out to -blam!- us. Everytime we become successful with something in the game they immediately crap all over it. Whats the point anymore.
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2 Replieswhy the bloody Hades do they think each person in the RAID group need to be able to preform EACH role..... my god. What is the point of putting together a team. Right now we pick our teams based on roles, but there wont be any roles. Right now I am confortable taking a newb or 2 in because I can put him on a role until he understands the fights.... WHY Might as well all just roll Sunsinger on Atheon for the free death....... Come on bungie I have defended you so far, figure out who was relic team and who was harpy team was a fun mechanic. Yes, and at time you are force to be flexible (if someone dies). This is just a terrible idea. They literally should fire whoever is trying to make this happen because they are clueless.
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Random teleports seem like a lot of hassle for ascendant energy. I predict most players will just stop at arheons front gate.
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Also, one of Bungie's goals was to make sure there was no "one correct build" for PVE or PVP, but with random teleports, everyone will need to carry at least one or two weapons efficient at killing Oracles, which will limit the variety of weapons/builds...
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2 RepliesI don't mind the fact that they're fixing the Atheon push, now we can get back to beating it legit. I do however, have no -blam!-ing clue why they would add this random teleport thing. I can find raids easily and do it still, but it just boggles my mind that out of all the things they need to fix/address they would waste their time with something so pointless and trivial.
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4 RepliesPeople complaining about this dont have the skill to go into the portal and know they are getting carried through VoG in its curremt state
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4 RepliesThis really only matters to guardians doing normal mode at sub 28 with rare weapons on normal. Anyone 28 or higher with legendary weapons and any semblance of skill shod have no problem. If you are on hard and every person cant be interchangable with the roles then you probably shouldnt be in there. Seems like bungie is making it harder since everyone has been getting free loot for a few weeks. I approve.
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-blam!- Bungie. Dumbass mother-blam!-ers.
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Well said
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6 RepliesEdited by XMalakhX: 10/19/2014 3:49:17 PMI actually think this mechanic is brilliant. I think it'll cause a lot of groups to be more picky with who they bring now but I like it. Atheon is supposed to be the final challenge in destiny thus far and if you still don't know how to adapt to every situation by that point then you just won't succeed. Plus pushing him off doesn't give me any sense of accomplishment. Now to be honest though, I think Bungie seriously needs to buff up the exotic drop rate for beating atheon now though. I mean seriously, the drop rate of the raids is so bad. I have 90 ascendant shards with maxed out armor bungie... 90 useless shards already! I'm lvl 30. Raids should be for weapons and armor. We have daily missions for ascendant materials. Fix the raid drops.
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Edited by sy2mj: 10/19/2014 5:15:49 PMFix the templar platforms. As if we could care less .. exploiting the big stones and steps beside the edges. Oracle buffing? Lol yeah. We just sit at the spawning point and ICEBREAK the shit out of the game. Annoying templar? Yeah sure. Why shoot his shield down if you can just push him off with grenades? The templar tries to teleport. It failed. Fix the teleporting? Yeah we use 6 warlocks. Atheon keeps on falling. Bungie there is no way you could ever get ahead of players.
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My problem is that it takes them three weeks to fix thorn and bad juju
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3 RepliesI think you need to learn the difference between artificial and actual difficulty. This is actual difficulty. You have to react differently. Artificial difficulty is simply increased health or damage. With this change you actually have to behave in a different manner. Stop using terms that you do not understand.
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12 RepliesIf you can't handle all parts of the raid, maybe you shouldn't be raiding. You guys are just scared of a challenge. I'm happy they're making it harder.
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Bungie knows they -blam!-ed up on the raid and didn't think it would be easy, so they are changing up the raid and desperately trying to add artificial difficulty so that players will think it's hard
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How about instead of "fixing" something that removes strategy how bout you fix the damn portals so I don't run through and get glitched back into the same place and get trapped. Come on Bungie fix the actual problems with the game and stop focusing on this trivial crap I want my exotic weapon bounty fix and portal fix
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Agee all the way my friend. I'll 2nd, 3rd, 4th, infinite your points
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I can't even fathom why people have a problem with this mechanic being changed... If you were a big bad ass boss, and you knew they figured you out, wouldn't you naturally learn from your mistakes and change up your encounter? I mean seriously the only thing wrong with this is the way Bungie is announcing it..
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Edited by Lord Kamehameha: 10/19/2014 3:40:32 PMEDIT: I missed the part in the patch notes where he is randomly targeting people. My apologies. I mistook my misunderstanding as a lack of understanding on your end. That being said the raid has been extremely easy for our group. I'm kind of glad Atheon will add more difficulty by targeting us at random. You don't NEED to be extra geared to take out oracles but it helps.
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17 RepliesEdited by Ozaga: 10/19/2014 12:02:59 AMAll these fixes that Bungie is doing are bullshit! - Our loot system is broken, so lets lower the loot drop and get rid of an exploitable cave that people had to farm cuz of our shitty loot system. - Oh no! People found a way to exploit a raid boss! People have been doing it for years in WoW, how is this new? - Raid is now easier due to exploit, better -blam!- up the "Bugged" teleport and make alot of future raiders pissed off and angry! - Vex Mythoclast is OP, nerf it! Um... You only get it by doing the raid on HARD! And it is HARD... Lets just make people prized trophies worthless... - Pocket Infinity is OP in PvP, better give it a 3 round clip... Seriously, its called INFINITY! 3 rounds are not infinite! It was my favorite weapon before the -blam!-ed it up, now it sits sad and alone in my vault... - Cryptarch is colorblind... ok thats the only good fix... Point is Bungie sold us an unfinished game with no story, bad dialogue, a shitty RNG loot system that contradicts the whole "You earn your loot" thing they had going and a HUGE focus on PvP, and not everyone likes it. I for one am a PvE guy, so where is my love? How do we know? DLC #1 has 3 story missions... 3! -blam!-ing 3! But lets add 5 PvP maps! I spent 200$ on a freaking Ghost edition of this game because it was promised to be the next biggest thing since Halo, and all we got was a Rehashed version of ODST with less story and a RNG... Bungie... Stop whatever your doing, pull up your pants, wipe the shit of od Destiny and give us the amazing, ground breaking game you promised us!
