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Edited by Joker: 9/28/2014 9:16:30 PM
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Bungie lied, Cut content, misrepresented, and shipped a broken and fundamentally unbalanced game.... It's Halo 2 all over again

[quote]EDIT: YOU WANT MORE PROOF? BUNGIE YOU DONE -blam!-ED IT UP!!! ONE JOB YOU HAD ONE JOB!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-osssAKgEc [/quote] Edit 2: You know its kinda funny that the bug was on a PS4... I guess PlayStation gets everything first... even the bad news. I know there's a lot of justified... lets call it emotional overreaction... going on over Destiny. Since well Bungie promised one thing and delivered something quite different, this however isn't something new to Bungie veterans, there are actually some stark parallels to one of Bungie's most beloved of all time games Halo 2. Go back and play the story, complete and utter rubbish, 343i might not be able to balance a multiplayer or, create diverse mission objectives, but the narrative present in Halo 4 is well told, for something that was... well bound by the constraints of Halo 3, and its.... well again lack luster story. In fact I'd say Bungie isn't really good at telling a moment to moment story, OH they can create a wonderful universe that OTHER people such as Eric Nylund, Greg Bear, or 343i have told amazing stories in, But Bungie... Out of the 5 Halo games they've done, only 2 of them have decent stories Halo 1 and Halo: Reach. Moving forward Halo 2 and 3 had horrid multiplayers until many patches in. BUT WHAT EXACTLY am I getting at? I'm sure some will disagree with me, one thing you can't disagree with is this isn't the first time Bungie has shown us one thing, and delivered something completely different. Ladies, Gentlemen, Exos, and Vex, I present to you Halo 2 E3 2004. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_y3cbIV-Xg[/url] And Destiny E3 2013 Sony Press Conference. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtcO4ptp2j8[/url] These two Showing are almost beat for beat the same showing, no really. They run through and area that looks to be in the game, they make bad jokes, and finish with a trailer that represents NOTHING in the final game. Don't worry I took Notes. I wont go Over Halo 2 its well documented that NOTHING in that made it into the game. So E3 2013 Sony Press Conference: 0:00 The entirety of this mission. 1:14 The ship Drops the Player off, in a cinematic fashion at the beginning of the mission. 2:12 Fire Team member drops off ship. 3:51 Taking out your Ghost for light when you need it, not when the game decides you need it. 3:52 Snarky banter from your Ghost. 4:37 More interesting banter from the Ghost in that Game of Thrones 'We have Peter- Mother Blaming!- Dinklage' Also at 4:37 Pulse Rifle Primary(In a scout body leading me to think at onetime they were the same gun class, which makes sense, since they do the same thing in this game.) And a Hand Cannon Secondary (Which I honestly think it should be because the -blam!-ing thing is useless as a primary in PVP (and if my experience differs from yours congratulation, however 90% of PVP is Shotguns and Fusion rifles, 5% AR's and 5% OP Warlocks... For me that is.) 5:53 Crit Markers, I like this more then the yellow damage. 7:05 Boss Loot Drop and loot tables, also Loot that seems more Class use, Sniper for the Hunter, and Lightning Chain-gun for the Warlock. 7:27 HIGH LEVEL LOOT YOU CAN USE WHEN YOU PICK IT UP. None of this engram shit. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I distinctly remember engrams at one point being an option, not a necessity. EXAMPLE: If I pick up an engram and take it to our favorite blue bastard, I would have a CHOICE between an item of that type but possibly a lesser rarity, or I could role the dice and get something better ( Hence why he has a rank, the more you used him the better your role was to be. Again I could be wrong, but I wanna say at one point it worked that way. ) 7:44 The Rolling Thunder Ability on the ThunderLord. 7:56 Weapon Dropping? 8:13 Sniper or Fusion Rifle Heavy? ( The hunter is seen with a Pulse/Scout rifle when fighting the Devil Walker.) 9:00 More Player Ship Joining. 9:19 Leaving One Mission, and seamlessly going back into the world, not going to orbit. 11:38 Conversation with the Speaker Explaining ANYTHING. 11:48 Opining a Door. 11:49 Meeting "Crow" in Old Russia and the " This is how we talk in the wild." 12:01 Saturn. Lets see what else? Where are the Swamps of Old Chicago? Or The Ice Fields of Europa? Or the Shipyards of Saturn? Oh don't get me wrong I get that things change during development, that's a year or so old build of the game... STILL I'd like to think content is changed for the better of a game, not the worse. Moving forward to a few other, yet related things. I don't have any proof of the legitimacy behind the climes, but apparently a Reddit user posted an interesting plot outline for Destiny's "original" plot. I dont have the link BUT you can read it in this Angry Joe Video at 20:20. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gwQ2S1xSz0&list=UUsgv2QHkT2ljEixyulzOnUQ[/url] I'm inclined to believe this, considering the E3 demo, and MANY of the Codex Cards you unlock, key ones being The Black Garden, and the one found in the Seraphim Vault, which 99% of the community wont have access to. Speaking of.... WHY can I glitch into: ( I own none of these videos.) The Seraphim Vault: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiaodSkKUmk[/url] The Jovian Complex: [url] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqznLrRB14Q [/url] Kings Watch: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnOnYNENa-s[/url] And this is just what I know about ON EARTH. Fully realized areas, ( Kings Watch has LvL 20 enamies and a "Boss" even.) behind essentially locked doors, but I can't play any of this content. I Haven't been to the Jovian Complex myself, but I have recovered the Ghosts from the Seraphim Vault, and Kings Watch. What's the deal Bungie? Cut content to be sold back to us under your Season Pass? Content that was simply cut due to time? (Doubtful Ghost are there) or FREE update story content. I'm sure EVERYONE would like to know. Destiny is a mess. A mass of bad development choices, BLATINT LYING to the fans, and apparent CUT content to be SOLD back to us. We DEMAND answers Bungie, if you have planned FREE story content then show us, what is the schedule for content that we can expect OUTSIDE the Season Pass, or is this is a chopped up half game, that you THOUGHT we would be content with. That things like the Queens Wrath would sedate us into complacency, with the same weak rewards for replaying the same 3-4 story missions over and over and over again. PS: If you know of other content like the Kings Watch, The Seraphim Vault, or The Jovian Complex. Post it with links to YouTube. PSS: [url] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzopWRXK_r4&index=2&list=UUsgv2QHkT2ljEixyulzOnUQ[/url] Angry Joe Revew, the guys spot on. PSSS: Because Peter Dinklage [url] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idVozGXbn2Y[/url] PSSSS: Phantasy Star Universe, called from 2006 and wants to know how a game in 2014 can come out with less content then a game from 2006? PSSSS: Bungie I dedicate this song to you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeaGJRV-whU
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  • There are a lot of things about Destiny that I'm disappointed in, but the story is the main part. It sucks being a Bungie fan for over 13 years, having your favorite developer talk up this great game that has been in development since at least 2009, and then being handed what we have. I am having fun with it, and I can understand that when the last game you made was 4 years prior, you'll need partnership to fund your vision, but it feels like either Bungie's partnership with Activision has been the reason behind where the game stands now, or maybe Bungie just lost their luster. The gameplay is fun, but the content is just ok, and the story is so incredibly disappointing. The lore is there, but it sucks to be given what we have and then be told, "Stick around for the whole ride. You'll see." I hope for Destiny's future, but if it is all stuck behind endless profiteering paywalls, then it's a sad state for my favorite developer. It's hard to take over the world, when you let down your fans.

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  • Highly disagree with comparing the disappoints of H2 and H3 with Destiny. Yeah sure the disappointments were there but most people were still more than content with H2/3. Even if the flawed MP needed patching it was still AWESOME. I ALWAYS had fun in H2/3. Always. And most people I know on both the internet and in real life would agree. The short comings of Destiny are MASSIVE. There isn't a comparison worth much.

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  • Edited by Kafuu Chino: 9/29/2014 2:01:20 AM
    The defenses people will put up to defend the in-game content are incredible and every time they get pushed back they come up with another line. First it was: "It's just the Alpha guys, the Beta will be much better." Then it was: "It's just the Beta guys, the full game will be much better." Then it was: "You're still not level 20 guys, the game doesn't really start till you're level 20." Then it was: "You haven't put 80 hours in yet guys, the game changes a lot after 80 hours." And right now we have: "The full game is just the foundation guys, wait 'til they release DLC." I really like the game, but it could have been so much more.

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    • Edited by DocSmurf: 9/28/2014 10:02:14 AM
      This is the longest most entitled cry baby behavior I have ever seen on the forums in the 6+ years I have been here. [quote] I would like everyone with their head on straight to notice that the majority of criticism about game development comes from people who don't develop games.[/quote] [quote]E3 comments[/quote] 1. First off the majority of the changes that you listed from the E3 footage to now are not only trivial but some are flat out opinion and bad ones at that. You seriously think the pulse rifle and the scout rifle serve the same function in gun play. One has less accuracy and less range with more spread and higher fire rate. The other is designed for slow paced accurate shots. The gun play in terms of rifles is designed to be a spectrum from Auto rife to pulse rifle and then to scout rifle in terms of range, accuracy, and spread. Which is why auto rifles are getting a range Nerf to better fit this spectrum. [quote]hidden areas and map glitching[/quote] I challenge you to name one single video gaming community in history that is more hell bent on breaking maps than Bungie fans and halo players. I have been able to get out of and on top of every single stage in mars, Every single one, through ONE SINGLE fault in the maps geometry by exploiting the load system in destiny that is designed to draw new areas based on player location. I know what to look for and I know all the tricks of the trade for breaking maps because i love to do it. there are alot of us in this community. Bungie could literally not design an interesting map that it's community could not find a way out of. As for " ripping content and selling it back as DLC" WHAT ON EARTH makes you think that this is Bungies call over Activisions. You are so quick to slap this studio in the face with things that clearly would have been the decision of publishing and not production. especially when it comes to hobbling maps by cutting off content. Maybe those areas are so easy to get into because the developer wanted you to know they had to turn them off? who knows. Just like how the Watch Dogs designers purposefully left in major visual upgrades they knew the community would find after they were told to hobble PC graphics and bring them more in line with the consoles. Or maybe you missed the part where this game was written for 4 different consoles running brand new engines build from the ground up trying to run on the backbone of an also new networking model. how much time do you think they spent just getting the engine running? ++ here you are sitting with a level 27 and talking crap about things you know literally nothing about. Bungie doesn't owe you or any one else an iota of explanation. If you don't like the game then stop playing it and sell it back. This game isn't what people expected it to be because the hype train hit it and accelerated it to light speed, same thing that keeps happening over and over now a days. This is Bungie, that name still rings as one of the best video game developers in the industry regardless of what kektaku or lolygon has to say on the matter. I have gotten my 60 bucks and more from this game, and i will get more than 35 dollars from my season pass. This game has suffered the death of a thousand paper cuts in the media because the hipster thing to do on the internet right now is trash destiny. If people would shut up and look at everything this game has done right they would see it for what it actually is. so TL:DR [quote] The first game in a new trilogy made by a company that is trying to reinvent it's wings after getting tired of the old ones it flew with for the past ten years. It will be rough, mistakes will be made, buts will be hurt and keyboard warriors like OP here will always try to turn the volume up on things they don't like and turn the volume down on things they did. I have enough faith in this studio to stick with what will be a great new ip. [/quote]

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      • Do you want some cheese with that whine?

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        • I really liked the H2 story. Everyone calm down. Halo 3 was total trash when it first came out. They had to release a patch to fix the "melee problem" We all wanted to boycott the game because of bubble shields and lack of H2 maps. Give it some time.

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          • yup they lied so they would get more money who knows that "free content" could only be available to people with season pass in the form of dlc that you had to pay extra to get the season pass

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          • Just revisited this. Personally I love the game, but seeing this again made me sad. Because really? What happened to all this stuff?

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            • I can tell you fancy yourself as having above average intelligence. However, I can see by your lack of knowledge of the differences between "then" and "than" that you are mistaken.

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              • For a broken game you sure have played A LOT!

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              • I'm pretty sure Halo 2's development was limited due to time constraints placed by Microsoft. In other words, key components of the game were being rushed at the last minute. I'm not sure how involved Activision is in terms of development with Destiny, but I would say it is a safe bet Bungie was also working under unreasonable time constraints placed by some executives (an effect of this being the loss of some veteran employees like Staten). Whether the executives were from Bungie, Activision, or both, I can't say. But one thing is clear: this game suffered not because it was fundamentally flawed, but because it was rushed. If anything, I hope you guys don't blame the working class of Bungie. They certainly did the best they could with the time given. I personally am having a ton of fun with the game, but I recognize it as only a half-emerged chick. I'm giving Bungie another chance, and I hope you all do as well. The way I see it, the prospect of a complete Destiny is too exciting to boycott.

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              • This game is as finished as halo 1 was. Its a sign of amazing things to come

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                  • Bungie has become a disgrace. No wonder Joe left, no wonder they fired the wonderful Marty. I can't wait until Marty works for 343 and helps the fans of Halo. Yes Halo, not Bungie. Bungie has fired/hired so many different people I cannot say they are the developer I fell in love with. Hopefully other people will always try to stay faithful to what Halo was/is. Not ride on Halo's glory to sell a mediocre game.

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                    • The fifty plus hours I put into this game: Fun The time I wasted reading this: Never getting it back

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                    • Good thing Halo 2 Was still the shit

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                    • ya we know but there isnt anything anybody can do about it except not buy the DLC, not support Destiny 2 and say -blam!- Bungie for the rest of the games they make and only buy them when they hit the $10 flash sale. TADA! Corporate america may have a shit ton of lawyers and EULAs to get them out of trouble when they screw over honest working people but those honest working people will vote with their wallets on destiny's behavior. Again you EULA idiots..just because you're protected doesnt mean pulling a slide of hand on your product is ok or will just be overlooked..we noticed you idiots...you guys are the dumb ones thinking we wouldnt.

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                    • So this is what obsessed looks like...

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                    • The game has a lot of issues and its definitely not the best game I've played this year, but at least its not as bad as Aliens Colonial Marines... never again...

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                      • Edited by MaxJ: 9/29/2014 6:44:07 AM
                        Someone found placeholder names for future DLC? Great proof. Oh wait, someone glitched into an area and there were enemies? None of this area is mentioned in the mission descriptions. And "Reef Raid: No description" is 100% something that's already done. So the expansions are 9mb on the market? Most likely since that is what unlocks the ability to actually download the expansion ingame just like the last updates. So since there's all this proof of these glitch areas being from these dlc, why has nobody found anything on the other planets yet? I can list a few more. This thread is worse then the last one... Is this some kind of big joke/troll attempt or something?

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                      • ermahgerd ui place holdrs!!!11!1!one!elevenednoscopezdudez!

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