Well, I was using the second tier of Vanguard because at level 20 you need to get light to advance in level, so this is tied to level progression. If you wish to analyze the various tiers: Level 18 Vanguard - reputation but no marks. This is as opposed to Crucible, where you can earn Crucible marks and reputation both Level 20 Vanguard - cited above. Level 22 Vanguard- Marks increase to 3. Assuming that one plays "at their level", which is to say a level 22 playing a level 22 strike, then you are quite correct in saying it could take 30-40 minutes. Assume the minimum of 30 minutes, which gives Crucible 3 matches. This means 3 Vanguard marks balanced against 6-9 Crucible marks. Level 24 Vanguard- Marks double for a value of 6. While this is good, consider that Crucible remains unchanged. So a player has to level up to 24 through the acquisition of gear just to earn what a Crucible player will earn in the same time period as a [u][i]minimum[/i][/u] value. I did not address the reputation values above, but as you can see the way Destiny heavily favors PvP with marks would carry over to the reputation side as well. Of course, you can also buy Faction equipment, which means everything that you do goes into PvP, which further increases your rapid reputation gains. There is no corresponding equipment for converting PvP experience into PvE reputation, although from what I have observed over the years such equipment would not be required as few PvE players are that heavily involved in PvP. I have no problem with the Patrol reputation gains, because I think I understand the purpose of Patrol. It gives you something to do while farming for world resources, as well as gives the casual player something to do when they only have a short period to play. If one is only looking for reputation then patrols are, in fact, far more efficient, but you cannot gain Vanguard marks while doing so. Of course, you are also going to encounter world events, which will give you the resources you require to upgrade high level gear, so this is beneficial, if totally and completely random.