Uh... right from the start, everyone realizes its far from over, everyone knows they have a 10 year plan... Probablem is. It's far from starting, what we were given is nothing more than an extended tutorial. Is that a hard concept? We don't even have a foundation yet. You can introduce a much more full game than this, and then expand on it until it reaches epic proportions. Or we can have, after a number of years, the same amount of content you would get in say, the initial dropping of FFXIV.

If I may give voice to the opposition? You mentioned WoW. When WoW came out, it was complete. They did not plan from day one to add the Burning Crusade. That came later. Your initial release must be as complete as possible. Additionally, after 16 hours of playing WoW, I might have moved from the Stormwind area into the second zone (I can't recall it's name currently). This was hardly a portion of the total game length. The game was massive in size and scope, and had a great deal of story depth in each zone. Destiny, by contrast, has the complete story delivered within a 20 hour window. So far it seems that this is all the story that was created for your initial $60 investment. Yes, the mechanics are very well done. Yes, the graphics are amazing. And yes, there are elements that are fun. none of this, however, detracts from the incredibly short and shallow story that Bungie created. The only shining moment for me in the story were the parts involving the Rift. The rest was, regrettably, difficult to remember as it wasn't presented in an involving manner. It has been said that the story will be extended, however having seen the first month's updates posted, it appears that none of these updates involve additions to the story. Salvage, Combined Arms, and Iron Banner are all PvP events. The Vault of Glass is a specific reward for hard-core raid players and isn't even intended for the general game population. The Queen's Wrath, which I had hopes for, now seems to be no more than a few additional bounties and perhaps a mission mode or two. Nothing on the horizon seems to hint at adding depth or expansion on the "legend" of Destiny. You mentioned DLC. it is entirely possible that the DLC will add further chapters for Destiny's story. So additional story chapters are only being given out with further expenditures of money? And, given how small and thin the original telling of Destiny was, what suggests that further chapters will have any more level of complexity or depth? Bungie has created a very nice PvP game, and if I had any interest in PvP I might be more impressed. I am, however, not a PvP player. As far as PvE, Bungie doesn't appear to have a solid grasp on what they need to be doing. I am aware that this is a well known and professional design team, but from the perspective of the game's story, that experience seems to be sadly lacking. I had hoped that additional chapters would be forthcoming prior to the DLC release, but the more I see, the less likely this seems. There is a lot of material to work with. Perhaps not the largest of casts, although this is also the fault of the design team, but there is a great deal of lore that can be explored. If they work at it, Bungie can turn Destiny into a truly great game for a multitude of players. If not, I fear that the game will lose much of its PvE player base once other games release over the next several months.

When cod comes out all the complainers will migrate. All in due time. Then this fantastic game will be ours.

Well said Eddie. I agree with you wholeheartedly and can't wait to see what Bungle has in store for us next.

This is the perfect example of why I come to the forums! Preach it brother!

I'm with you man. Jumped in the Vault of Glass tonight. This is what I bought this game for. VoG is quite simply the sickest content I have ever experienced in a game. People who say the game is to small have no idea, the obviously haven't been in the Vault. The objectives and the team dynamics are unbelievable. I don't often gush over video games like this, but Bungie has blown me away with VoG. The thing about Destiny is that they are not just gonna give it all to you in the first week or the first month or the first year. You are going to have to dig. And not necessarily just farming and grinding for gear. And not just relying on luck of the draw loot drops. You've gotta grind a bit, and some aspects can be repetitive, but when you get to the Vault you will be glad you did the same Strikes over and over on harder and harder difficulties, because to get through the VoG you are going to need to be highly competent in the mechanics of the game. If you haven't beaten all the strikes on the hardest difficulty, haven't completed the daily heroics, haven't completed the weekly heroics, haven't completed the weekly nightfall, haven't completed the exotic weapon bounties, you will not survive the VoG. And this is only the first raid. This game is the Halo killer! There is not a game out right now that comes anywhere close, at least not one that I have played.

Are you familiar with MMOs? They are supposed to be 10 times the size of this game. Games like Skyrim and WoW took over 100 hours to hit the level cap, THEN you got endgame content. Not after a mere 15 hours and 20 levels. AND the endgame content was different from the game content. AND there were more than one raid. Is this the new game model? Give half a game to start and then charge for DLC to get the rest of the game? Destiny is NOT an ENORMOUS gamew right now. It's compared to other MMOs and even other games like Borderlands where it takes about 40 hours to finish the story. There is no excuse for this. I don't know how you can defend delivering only part of a game

Sorry, but the problem people are having with this game is its half a game and for 60 dollars no less. Alot of what was promised or perceived as promised is missing. You can't go every where the game shows for one. What's that? we don't want you going to the top of that cliff. Oh wait,your leaving the area? You have 5 seconds to come back where we want you. Don't even get me started on the space ships that are just placeholders for loading. Why even have all these cool designs if you can't actually fly them. Plays great I'll give them that. Ohhh I'm sure in a year or two it will be amazing and story fleshed out with ungodly amounts of DLC and another 80 of our hard earned dollars,but right now it's an unfinished game at full game price.

They didn't have to release story DLC for Halo, as the story was already all there. It was optional to read the books, and dive into the lore headfirst, it helped shape a larger universe for Halo, but as for the game's story, everything the player needed to complete each chapter of the Halo franchise and fully understand what was going on was in the game, not in an app, not on a website, it was in the game.

ill give them a month to create some form of response to the community about issues expressed in feedback. i assumed destiny was a work in progress as soon as i saw it..i post my ideas in feedback and my personal issues with the game. eveyone moaning and groaning about destiny being a flop..that depends entirely on the effort bungie puts into it. what we have here is a foundation..albiet one with cracks that need repair. hopefull over time they fix those cracks and start to expand on the game..for now it has enough content to keep me for a month maybe 2...and i have the loyalty to stick with it if promised progress. these forums are pretty toxic... but if you just came from dust 514..then this is nothing..

That is total bs. Paid 60$ for a AAA title not for what the game will be in the future if I wanted that I'd go to kickstarter. The future content for destiny is even selling right now at a ridiculous premium for dlc. This is just insulting to a consumer. You don't buy a movie ticket because 6 months later it will get good. It is a valid point that for 60$ we have been ripped off in terms of content and customer support (they don't have any CS). And Destiny is not enormous, it is a TINY world whose only interaction you get is a trigger.

I think it would be disappointing if Bungie makes us pay to continue the story that should've been included in the full game in the first place. I get the part about spreading the story out I think it's smart from a marketing stand point, but really it just pissed off most people.

but i payed $60 dollars for an unfinished game...and then $35 morefor the rest that is a shitty practice that is killing consumer trust.