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Edited by Recon Number 54:
8/31/2014 11:35:16 PM
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Having a patient expire, especially when you've developed a personal bond with them, is hard. It's like losing a friend and almost like losing a family member.
Death comes to us all though. It sounds like (and perhaps you can take comfort in the fact) that she LIVED one hell of a good life. That is small comfort, but it is comfort nevertheless.
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Sorry Recon, but people don't [i]expire[/i] like a magazine subscription. They die. Calling it anything else is just... I can't explain it, but we aren't honoring those who have died by saying that they've done something else in attempt to sugarcoat what's happened. My two cents.
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Learn to synonym. My use of the term expire is what I chose to use. It means "to die". Nothing more, nothing less. They ceased to be. They are no more. Much like a certain Norwegian Blue, they are, a stiff. No matter how lovely their plumage may be. It's not a sugar coating, it is a word. And within the field of medicine and caregiving, the common phrase is "the patient expired".
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I'm very familiar with the term being commonly used in a medical context, as my dad is a doctor. Why use a different word? Someone expired. I know it's a synonym, but why say that someone expired? Why use a different word when one can accurately and bluntly describe what happened? A lot of these terms (pass away, expire, etc) are used in place of the word [i]death[/i] because it helps to comfort those who have lost someone, even though some maybe entirely used in a medical context. Someone may [i]suffer a terminal episode[/i] in a medical context as well. It seems so confusing to me why people would have ten different terms to describe a simple event that only needs one unmistakable word to describe it. I guess I am alone in this thinking, however.
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Hurray for language softening!
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Uhmm...
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I know it means [i]to die[/i], but I feel like using a term other than [i]death[/i] to describe it isn't proper. Expire simply doesn't carry the same impact on people that die does. Naturally, that's why people would use it, because usually loved ones who have lost someone don't want to directly acknowledge what happened. It's a form of coping.
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It's one of the many words in many languages that has the same meaning as other words. Expired wouldn't be a word that I would use to help cope with a death, I'll tell you that much.
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I'm glad you have the balls to avoid softening your language to cope with a death, most people don't. You're right in the fact that there are many words that mean the same thing. However, in this context, [i]to die[/i] is unmistakable. Tell a child that someone died and they will know exactly what happened. Tell a child that someone [i]expired[/i] and you'll likely get a confused look on their face. My point with this is: if the use of one word can best describe an event, why would anyone abandon use of that word for a word that doesn't describe it as honestly/accurately, or could be misunderstood?
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Everything you just posted was opinion, so....
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No fucking shit it's opinion.
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[quote]My point with this is: if the use of one word can best describe an event, why would anyone abandon use of that word for a word that doesn't describe it as honestly/accurately, or could be misunderstood?[/quote]No -blam!-ing shit you're the only one confused.
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I'm confused as to why people would use language that can be misinterpreted by others when an option exists that cannot possibly lead to confusion.
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"So and so expired" "Oh, they aren't good to eat anymore? Shucks." Appealing to the cannibals, I see.
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There's no confusion. They all mean the same thing..........
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To die has one meaning. Expire has multiple meanings, with to die being one of them. Yes, you can use both. But normally, expire is used to say that something like a membership, subscription, or product is no longer good. People, plants, and animals die, which is to say that they stop living. Can expire be interchangeable with die? Yes. But it can often be met with confusion by people who are unfamiliar with 'expire' in this particular context. I wish to be clear in my communication, so I use the bluntest, truest, and most honest term for the given situation. I fail to see why some others do not.
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Because they can use other words that mean the same thing. Obviously.
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You completely missed the second half of my post.
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Edited by CAMMCAM: 9/1/2014 10:06:15 PMBecause it doesn't matter. You're the only one that thinks this could be confusing. It's... not. It's really not. We're talking about dead people. We're talking about an expired patient. What's confusing about that? NOTHING. Just because you don't think it's blunt enough (by the way, expired is not a cushiony word for death, in fact, it probably sounds way worse to some) doesn't make it confusing.
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To me, saying that a patient expired is disrespectful to the person who died. Call them dead, and honor their death by not describing the event in a way that equates their life to a fucking magazine subscription.
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[quote]To me, saying that a patient expired is disrespectful to the person who died.[/quote]So this is the real issue. It's not really the confusion it may have on others. Glad we cleared that up. It only took all day.
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It's both those issues, but the respect issue is more important to me.
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Edited by SSDxCrunchyWolf: 9/1/2014 9:58:19 PMRecon is clearly retarded. I'm never going to die. *Gets sniped*
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Lol snipped?
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Sorry auto correct.
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Edited by Ninchiito: 9/1/2014 12:45:05 AMYeah she did. I got much respect for the son as well. He was with her until the end.
