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8/29/2014 4:03:21 PM
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Chrisyianity cripples the the growth of our youth by telling them to blindly believe and have faith in something. You should never have blind faith in things. You should be able to question everything and find an answer that can be proven beyong reasonabke doubt. That what the scientific method is designed to do. Not just believe because it's what's taught.
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Edited by innoBius: 8/30/2014 5:25:30 AMYou mean like blindly accepting the theory of evolution as fact? Or believing that mankind is generally good? Ooh ooh I got another one Global Warming because that sir is fact right? Most ice ever recorded at the North Pole so planet must be warmer. What's another good one, oh right abortion isn't bad. All your arguments For abortion can be negated by one simple fact [i]you were a fetus too[/i] Not believing in God is wishful thinking. You don't want Good to be real because then it means consequences for your actions. That's the #1 reason for being an atheist, you don't want to be responsible.
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Edited by Fallen Hero: 9/1/2014 2:42:18 AM[quote]You mean like blindly accepting the theory of evolution as fact?[/quote] With evidence it is the most accepted [i]theory[/i], meaning it can still be wrong. Christians believe god is 100% real and impossible for him not to exist. [quote]Or believing that mankind is generally good?[/quote] Is there any evidence to the contrary? [quote]Ooh ooh I got another one Global Warming because that sir is fact right? Most ice ever recorded at the North Pole so planet must be warmer.[/quote] Global warming is outdated, it's climate change now. [quote]What's another good one, oh right abortion isn't bad. All your arguments For abortion can be negated by one simple fact [i]you were a fetus too[/i][/quote] That doesn't negate anything. [quote]Not believing in God is wishful thinking. You don't want Good to be real because then it means consequences for your actions. That's the #1 reason for being an atheist, you don't want to be responsible.[/quote] I don't believe in any deity as I am a supreme gentleman intellectual and require evidence to support a claim without blindly following.
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Ummm global warming is real happens every few hundred years and evolution has been proven a thousand times over..don't be ignorant :) have a good day.
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Evolution is proved? Then why does it fail at explaining all the major questions? Like the single cell to multi cell jump.
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Cells split and over time they developed colonies which evolved into multi-celled organisms that's taught in bio 1 bro
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Edited by innoBius: 8/31/2014 2:42:15 AMLol thats what they tell you. The truth is that a single cell organism are simpler, the jump from single to multicell requires another 50% more information encoded into the DNA. The problem is that evolutionary theory has no mechanism for addition of information into genetics. Then there is a few little oddities. Such as the fact that DNA contains all the markers of being a language. Not like a coding language but more of a conversational language.
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But you skipped a step bud colonies are single-celled but they work together but slowly they "evolved" or "adapted" to what's needed
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Edited by Camblev: 8/30/2014 12:34:27 PMNo. Never believe in anything blindly! Research it get the proof there are books on evolution. (You can start with the galapagos islands) Learn. If you still dont believe in evolution once the facts are presented to you, you are more than welcome to do you own research and testing to prove it wrong. If you do you would win a nobel prize and the scientific comunity would be in your favor for teaching them somethinb new. But question all and always be willing to admit your wrong when the evidence shows you are. And if you dont believe global warming please rsearch it.... please! For the sake of our kids. Where did this information saying more ice at north pole come from? Ice caps are melting.
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You are of the erroneous belief, as are the majority of even Christians, that faith is blind, having no evidence. You have faith in your loved ones as evidenced by the way they treat you or react to the things you say or do. Favorable responses and their words bearing to be true lend positive evidence of their love for you. There are also things you can observe that will diminish your faith in them. Faith is not blind acceptance. Faith is nothing more than accepting the honesty of one making a claim. It is not a substance that can be handled or manipulated. It can not be examined by any test applied by scientific method. You can not use science to examine faith in God any more than you can use it to examine the intent of your loved ones. In fact, God is the one we love. You should never hold blind faith close to you. That is speculation or mere opinion. The presence of evidence renders faith far superior to opinion. The disciples asked Jesus to increase their faith and he honored their request by telling them parables. These pointed to truths that apply to this life in agreement with the things written in scripture, things spoken by God to his prophets and teachers. He did not give them speculation and opinion for building their faith. He gave them evidence of God's honesty, solid evidence of the Spirit, which science is also not able to examine.
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The misunderstanding comes from improper interpretation of Hebrews 11:1. "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see." The Bible was not written with chapter and verse divisions. Those were added for convenience of reference. Too many times this verse is used as a definition of what Christian faith is and it comes off looking like faith is nothing more than wishful thinking. Remove the chapter and verse superimposed upon the words to gain proper context. The entire preceding chapter gives the proper context. Hebrews 11:1 is what our faith becomes after all of the evidence that precedes it is understood to be true and trustworthy. Faith becomes so great in light of that evidence that it now begins to serve as evidence itself.
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Aside from your argument related to religion which is a good one, I don't think even scientists use the scientific method related to everything. Not to be corny, but love for instance. There is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that some of the people we know love us, but we [i]believe[/i] that they do. A number of really established scientists don't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt that sentient life exists on other planets but they [i]believe[/i] it does. You have to believe in some things, religious or not. There is no possible way that every action you make can be based on proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Ever made your first 3-pointer in basketball. All the proof is that you won't make the next one because you never have before, but you believe that you can which is why you shoot. Blindly believing is a dangerous thing so the first part of what you said is really a valid point. But at the same time you can't always find an answer beyond a reasonable doubt.
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The amount of evidence required to convince one person that something is true with no need for further evidence, in other words proven, is not the same as what is needed to convince another. Evidence is not proof. Sufficient evidence must be obtained to convince, and even then there may be some unknown evidence that solidly contradicts, and therefore disproves. One of the disciples doubted until he could handle the wounds in Jesus' hands and side. The others were already convinced. Your points are valid.
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Yes you can its called physics...if yoi shoot the basketball with the correct angle and power the ball with without doubt go in. And love is no more than a chemical process and electrical synapses in ur brain.
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The key word in your analogy is "if". That chemical process has a cause.
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So when you are shooting your first 3 pointer you did a physical equation to get the correct angle? I shot when I was a kid and didn't perform physics equations yet. Just because the means of solving a problem exist, that doesn't mean that everyone uses those means. As far as love being a chemical process, I am trying to find the relevance...but I think you mean that it is something that can be scientifically proven or measured or something to that extent. So I will reword my previous assertion. Just because you have a certain number of endorphins elicited as a result of patterned electrical synapse firing, there is no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that that you yourself elicit that response within someone else. You just believe that you do. Let me put it this way. If you have anyone you care about, a mother, a father, a friend that you trust or love. How can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they care about you?
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Ok im sorry I replied the first time.to you. I will not engage in a stupid fight.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa! I was definitely not trying to fight at all. I thought what you were saying was interesting and I was just enjoying the conversation. I agreed with a lot of what you said, but was debating some other points because I have learned a lot hearing people defend the way that they think, as people often have good reasons for why they think the way that they do. Definitely no malice intended. Sorry.
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Exhibit A...
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ew the cringe and ignorance is real in this one
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That irony though.
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irony?
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One of the smartest things I have ever read on these forums.
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Couldn't have said it better
