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8/28/2014 12:43:07 AM
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More game options? great. Criticizing games in hopes that something get taken out of already established game at cost to those that have enjoyed game is like censoring said game. And Censoring games at the expense/cost of those who love those games is WRONG. You don't change games to appease. Then there will be no games. cause there will be someone that will get offended by something. Geez.. feels like the same thing I mentioned on the mary sue site. What I'm I doing there? I Have a friend who posts there. (I like reading her posts) And cause I'm brave. Not bad as tumblr, tho you do have those extremists there. Still I don't get hate mobbed. probably cause they know Surt loves women. Hi ladies. ;) lol
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  • Edited by Seggi: 8/28/2014 1:19:49 AM
    [quote]Criticizing games in hopes that something get taken out of already established game at cost to those that have enjoyed game is like censoring said game. And Censoring games at the expense/cost of those who love those games is WRONG.[/quote] Um. She's not doing either of those things. She's criticising them to inform people of the way games often treat depictions of women, and probably partially, in the hope of changing the way games that are made in the future depict women. She's not trying to ban GTA V. [quote]You don't change games to appease. Then there will be no games. cause there will be someone that will get offended by something. [/quote] This is clearly not true. For one, there are plenty of games that are totally innocuous and receive no criticism, and the criticism that is levelled against a lot of games is basically never a fundamental part of it. Would Watch Dogs have been fundamentally different without its sex trafficking story line? Would GTA V be if it didn't let you pay for sex or have its idiotic 'grope strippers to be rewarded with sex' mechanic? If Metro: Last Light (and so many other games) didn't have its mandatory strip club/brothel level and lap dance sequence? This stuff is all tacked on: it's not important thematically or mechanically. But all of that aside, gaining greater representation of women doesn't mean developers aren't allowed to test the water or that they can't mess up now and then, because they can, and that isn't going to make their entire project worthless. When games are criticised for having this sexist stuff in them, it doesn't mean that the entire game should be thrown out and never touched again - it means you should recognise what's wrong there and be conscious of it, and that the developers should try to do better in that respect next time. Again, this isn't about 'censorship', it's not about getting rid of all games, it's about trying to make games better.

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  • Edited by DemonRonin: 8/28/2014 1:43:09 AM
    "better" for who? See what I did there. In trying to be inclusive in one game to everyone we push away some. New games don't have to worry about this, but established games do. I'll use GTA cause of your reference to it there. I disagree. Gta wouldn't be GTA if not for everything that makes GTA.. well gta. ;) Wanton violence, hookers, strippers, and that chaotic mess of hedonism. And what if the witcher had nudity taken out? There will be a huge out roar. Why tho? cause guys won't be able to enjoy some eye candy? no. Cause it goes against what the witcher games stand for. MATURE GAMES. Aimed at adults. Removing a part of something that the majority enjoys because some don't is censoring it. Rather then just have more options where those things that offend in GTA are not there. Like the variant covers to comics. You don't like cover? Pick up the one you do like. Edit: I'm down for better representation of women. But without dissecting parts of a established game. Devs should keep that in mind in making new games.

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  • [quote]"better" for who?[/quote] People who don't want their games to be sexist. [quote] And what if the witcher had nudity taken out? There will be a huge out roar. Why tho? cause guys won't be able to enjoy some eye candy? no. Cause it goes against what the witcher games stand for. MATURE GAMES. Aimed at adults. [/quote] Your conception of 'maturity' is more like what a thirteen year old would hold than what that word actually means. Maturity doesn't mean tits and gore, it means dealing with daunting themes and problems in insightful or intelligent ways. Collecting nude pictures of people you sleep with is the exact goddamn [i]opposite[/i] of mature. [quote]Removing a part of something that the majority enjoys because some don't is censoring it. Rather then just have more options where those things that offend in GTA are not there. Like the variant covers to comics. You don't like cover? Pick up the one you do like. Edit: I'm down for better representation of women. But without dissecting parts of a established game. Devs should keep that in mind in making new games.[/quote] Ok, so you're ok with sexism as long as it's for the sake of tradition. Noted.

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  • Sexism is subjective to those that care about of not. Some women do not care about it. And will lash out if your messing them up from getting followers. lol People should treat others as they would want to be treated. That's human thing not a gender thing. but I disagree with points that SJW and some (not all go along with dissecting things out) feminists about cutting masculinity as it's something outdated. We are where we are today because of it. The first military didn't create masculinity, masculinity created the military. Which in turn helped create the cities we have. Some of these people have a very fantasy world view of how equality works. But the word Equality doesn't exists. “Equality can only exist between equals. Civilization implies division of labor, division of labor implies subordination and subordination implies injustice and inequality.” Imagine a world without men. Their still won't be equality. Women need to be treated better. More as humans then just cause they are women. never mind what's written in whatever so called holy book. But when I read a extremists write , "if only we had a lemur society" I'm like Really? That's where you all want men to be?

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