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SO much [url=http://i.imgur.com/FMDHZ8r.jpg]Doctor Nope[/url]. Sorry Brah I don't agree with you.
114+ Hours on the Beta 50+ on the Alpha.
First graphically inferior? were you playing on Xbone? Xbox360. I would say this game is graphically superior. Those vistas visuals, level of detail. Did you even Check out the [url=http://www.twitch.tv/sirproper/c/4764328]moon[/url]? I can in no way say that the graphics are inferior. at most different.
I think you need some more bass driver in your speaker those guns had punch, maybe the Hz is too low for whatever system you were using.
The only part I do agree with you on is scope. I glitched into every region that was available, or that we knew about and I must say we are in for a lot more. Seraphim Vault actually has more than the area you could explore, as the other part was locked by doors, but you could see darkness gates in the back definitely implying that we would be in there.
Jovian complex was huge.
King's Watch was some what compact, but it had a lot of areas and an ULTRA CAPTAIN!!! HYPE!!!
The Lost grotto, was fairly small, but I am not certain that there won't be more in there later. The set up seemed like a staging point. I have video exploring it. (will be posted and linked soon.)
The moon was massive as well. Dat Hellmouth was awesome!
Gamplay issues... I ran into some of the netcode issues people have complained about, but it was so few and far between I rarely noticed it, maybe once in like 6 matches.
I cannot in anyway agree that any of the supers were overpowered nor a single weapon. I ran with a few MLG competitors and their preferences in guns varied significantly. If the pro's are divided than I am sure there isn't one best, or at least it can be countered.
Now if you mentioned how Handcannons just don't work I might have agreed with you.
The handing out of rewards was a little odd especially in the Iron Banner matches. They made no indication as to what earned what, but I ended up with 4 timur's lash....Seriously.
This isn't an MMO, but just so you know they said they accelerated the leveling for the Beta, although compared to the Alpha it was SLOW....
At your level all greens started at an attack of 57 and when fully upgraded were 62 there was no variance. It was predicated by level.
A 9 or 10 level weapon should be better. IT requires you to be a higher level. You played at most two pvp types not sure if you noticed but there was at least 6. I can't remember the actual count and for some reason I have no pics.
Stats were never different for the same gun only variants had varying stats. Like the Jigoku SR3-SL was different from a Jigoku SR3, but unless affected by a scope option all the Jigoku SR3 had the same base stats. Although there were 4 different scout rifle types available to use, in case you didn't know.
I preferred the ACOG on my Jigoku, just saying.
On Rares and higher you will have 3 scope options, 3 launch options, 3 mag, and or 3 ammo options some combination of those and usually two bonuses and two attack upgrades. [url=http://imgur.com/a/z4XFd#0]Check out these guns bro![/url]
I can respect some of where you are coming from, but some of your points didn't feel supported by the actual games. I know personal perception always plays a part, but in this case. Too many points that I can't agree with.
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I understand that not everyone may agree with me, and it's reasonable to see a minority of people stating different opinions. But thus far my argument has been sound to more than a super-majority of other Beta players across YouTube, Google, Xbox LIVE, PSN, and those on the forum. Thanks for the insight on the regions' scope, though!
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Edited by SirTheProper: 7/29/2014 10:24:07 AMI don't think you can hope to get any backing on a super majority. You used a very specific term which you have no way of quantifying. The vocal majority of any group is not the defining element, nor can it constitute a super majority. I am pretty certain I have far more hands on game time than you. Not that it is a pissing contest, just pointing out experience. If you had checked out my stream you would have gotten a chance to see what kind of gamer I am. I also made it to rank 7 Vanguard Rank 22 Cryptarch, Rank 1 on iron banner on two different characters, and I am guessing one of the highest if not the highest Grimoire score out there right now. I was streaming over 15 hours a day. 114 hours on the Beta alone. 50+ on the Alpha. [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Legend/2/4611686018428469941/2305843009215317695]here is some pudding[/url]
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Edited by CodeVantage: 7/29/2014 11:25:30 AMAnd you missed my point on the level tier for weapons. My question was: why have the EXACT same Shingen-C model pose as two different level weapons, one being equip-able at level 8 and one at level 10? I'd expect a lot more diversity in weapons in Destiny. And I can safely attest that the same weapon variants had varying upgrades. Here are two Cydonia AR3s: [url=http://destinynews.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Cydonia-AR3.jpg]106 Attack [/url] [url=http://destinynews.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/5-yXvvXpg.jpg]96 Attack[/url] Once again, you're hands on experience with Destiny is quite prodigious in comparison to my game time, but your skill (and time spent playing to find the ins and outs of the game) means nothing when your information in regards to the game is [i]false[/i].
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I don't agree with you on any supers being too hard. And why people say the golden gun takes skill. It is easy as hell to use its like a pistol that shoots rockets how can you miss. Most of the other points I somewhat agree on. The autorifle seems like the weapon of choice if not auto rifle you go with scout.
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One is upgraded and one is not. I can tell by the attack values, the icons, and the fact it is from alpha. 50+ hours in alpha Level 8 base rifle and upgraded. It isn't the exact same. It is obviously a Shingen-C that is either in better condition, or works better in some way if it is different in attack value from level 8-10 There is a ton of diversity. Because there are actually Variants of ever level 8 sub class weapons. Like the Jigoku SR3-SL versus the Jigoku SR3, not to mention a total of 4 subtypes per weapon type. Valka Miternacht trax mallus and Jigoku for scouts. Sahara, Gallahad, Shingen, and Cydonia for Auto rifles. Psi volo, psi tempest, suros-jp-32, and something else for pulse. Mos ganon, searcher, bandit and something else for hand cannon. To wit there was 4 subclasses per weapon type not to mention variants. Plenty of variety for only having level 8 weapons. Going to be lots more out there, just hod your horses. So the whole varying attack is your own confusion sooooo [url=http://i.imgur.com/FMDHZ8r.jpg]Doctor Nope[/url]. RPG Mechanics bro....
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Edited by CodeVantage: 7/29/2014 11:42:25 AMYou've completely missed the following facts: 1. The sights are different. While they remain the same variant, two users will posses different sights. 2. Varying attacks do exist for the same model weapon, as confirmed by MoreConsole (I believe my Cydonia AR3 is at 64 while someone stated theirs was at 62). 3. The Beta presented not only attack upgrades but passive upgrades, such as gaining faster reload or last bullet in magazine does additional damage. These upgrades varied across the same weapon model, not just variants of the model. Better luck next time, Guardian.
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No I will tell you repeatedly if it is at fully upgraded and at the same rarity value attack will all be the same.... Seriously. [url]http://imgur.com/a/z4XFd#0[/url] If MoreConsole said it he is wrong. I can assure I was on longer then him for both Alpha and Beta. The Bonuses that affected things besides the attack upgrade were always variable, but only within a range, not every gun could have every type of bonus. Sights are always random. There is no better luck next time. I have no idea what the hell you are trying to prove to me. I knew every piece of info that you posted and more. Not to mention I know for a fact that there is no variance in attack of the same level weapons. If it is base it will always be 57 if it was upgraded it will always be 62 as long as it is green tier. If there were a blue tier it would have been higher as rarity affects attack rating, which is why a level 8 whit will always be 51. I didn't miss any facts. I know all of those and more. What I am missing is how any of this info is relevant to anything you are talking about.
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Edited by CodeVantage: 7/29/2014 12:14:12 PMI think you're repeating my point: [quote]The Bonuses that affected things besides the attack upgrade were always variable, but only within a range, not every gun could have every type of bonus. Sights are always random. [/quote] That's my point, SirTheProper. Customizability is limited. Every weapon of the exact same model will never be the exact same--giving an advantage to players with better passive upgrades.
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What the hell point are you trying to make with that. It is part of the variability of the loot in game. It is completely intentional. What are you getting at by making that point. At first it seemed like you were saying they were all alike, but that some had different attack rating now it sounds like you are saying they are all different. I don't care which just get to the point!
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As stated in my original thread, the point is this: Weapon customization should be extended so that we can personally choose the bonuses instead of relying on the variability of the loot of the game. You've already mentioned before there are already different variants and weapons of the same rifle category. Why add the trouble of making more unique rifles with the same model with different bonuses, creating a hassle for players to attempt to get a good bonus upgrade, instead of just giving us the option to choose which bonus to select for the gun? The same goes for the attack value: I MAY be misinformed, but say there ARE different attack values for a weapon. If so, won't this variability become a hassle for players who are trying to get the best out of their weapon?
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Were it for scopes, mags, and Ammo, this would be something that I would like, but the bonuses should be random, it then makes getting that perfect one a bit more work. I think that is valuable. I can tell you with absolute certainty that the attack value is only affected by level and rarity, for base, but weapons are affected by special circumstance bonuses, which are not related in the base attack value so this point is moot. I don't care if you think it is "may" with 114+ hours in Beta and 50+ hours in Alpha and having it be a consistent fact through both, considering I had my hands on more weapons then most people even ever saw, I can state empirically there is no variance in the base attack for same level same rarity weapons. My intention was to test everything possible in game. I got closer than most. I would say all, but Bungie won't confirm for me. So unlike others I will not quote things that I have no way of verifying or qualifying as I think purity of Fact/Truth is one of the most precious things in the known universe.
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[quote]Were it for scopes, mags, and Ammo, this would be something that I would like, but the bonuses should be random, it then makes getting that perfect one a bit more work. I think that is valuable. I can tell you with absolute certainty that the attack value is only affected by level and rarity, for base, but weapons are affected by special circumstance bonuses, which are not related in the base attack value so this point is moot.[/quote] That's the most sound thing I've heard from you. You should just end it there.
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... I still say it is impossible for you to determine a super majority, regardless of how you define it. That is a fact. You personally have no way of doing that. You can put up your feelings but they do not fit the definition of super majority even at 51%.
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Although just looked at Wikipedia which you quoted earlier..... A supermajority or a qualified majority is a requirement for a proposal [b]to gain a specified greater level of support than a 50% simple majority.[/b] In some jurisdictions, for example, parliamentary procedure requires that any action that may alter the rights of a minority has a supermajority requirement [u](such as a two-thirds majority)[/u]. Changes to constitutions, especially those with entrenched clauses, commonly require supermajority support in a legislature. A supermajority is absolute if the required percentage or fraction is based on the entire membership rather than on those present and voting. About.com.government Simply stated, a "supermajority" vote is a vote that must exceed the number of votes comprising a "simple majority." For example, a simple majority in the 100-member Senate is 51 votes; while a 2/3 supermajority requires 67 votes. In the 435-member House of Representatives, a simple majority is 218 votes; while a 2/3 supermajority requires 290 votes. Investopedia Definition of 'Supermajority' A corporate amendment in a company's charter requiring a large majority (anywhere from 67-90%) of shareholders to approve important changes, such as a merger. Umm your acuatually quoting a simple majority. not a super majority. Simple majority is a vote that is over 51% of those that either have vote or have spoken. Basically over 51% of those who are there. You could qualify for a simple majority, but not a super majority. because a super majority requires everyone who potentially has a say gets a say and it has to be 60% or two thirds depending on the arena the vote is taking place in. You are simply wrong ma'am Good day Ma'am.
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More than 51% constitutes a super-majority. And so far, most (and if not, all) of my issues were addressed by YouTubers MoreConsole, LevelCapGaming, etc, who have views past 100,000 and, once again, a super-majority vote agreeing that their opinion is correct. I have NO doubt you've got more hands on experience, but the very fact that you think the graphics are superior to a lot of the relative games I've referred to questions the validity to your personal experience in reviewing other games (come on; Destiny beating Crysis? The CGI better than 343's Halo 4? It's comparably lower).
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Crisis yes halo 4???? No
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Highlighting the subjective nature of graphics. I happen to think the Destiny has some of the most grounded and more realistic graphics, but then again I play on a monitor with a 1ms refresh rating. Not sure how the newest crysis will look on it since I, to be honest have not played that one. I did play crysis 1 and 2. I usually have to wait til games come down in price.
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Yeh I play on a nice monitor and I love destiny's graphics
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The graphics comparison is Hugely speculative not even going to touch that. Still no idea what you played it on. Let alone Monitor/TV There is no way possible that some youtubers their polls and most likely the same vocal minority equate to a super majority. Also looked it up, the definitions I saw said 60% also you have no way of quantifying or tabulating that in order to find out if it truly is a super majority. You made a statement that is not possible to quantify, therefore has no bearing on this. The Vocal are generally going to remain the vocal wherever they go and you can't rule out the same people voting twice. There are soo many mathematical flaws with your claim to super majority. Just seriously stop using the term it deserves many: [url=http://i.imgur.com/FMDHZ8r.jpg]Doctor Nope[/url]. [url=http://i.imgur.com/FMDHZ8r.jpg]Doctor Nope[/url]. [url=http://i.imgur.com/FMDHZ8r.jpg]Doctor Nope[/url].
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Edited by CodeVantage: 7/29/2014 11:59:17 AM[quote]A supermajority or a qualified majority is a requirement for a proposal to gain a specified greater level of support than a 50% simple majority. [/quote] I'm sorry, your nopes didn't quite ring through this simple Wikipedia search. Non quantifiable? Please do explain the upper right hand percentage...? And what the hell is a "vocal majority?" Some new term for public expression?
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I never said Vocal majority. I said Vocal Minority. It is a term look it up. Wikipedia is regularly wrong. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/supermajority You win a pointless BS award. Seriously dude there is no way you personally can ever verify what is a super majority regarding what you think. You have no way of even knowing how many people participated in the BETA let alone what each of them think or would vote. Some simple public VOCAL MINORITY stuff can not constitute a valid claim to super majority. Legally there is no way to prove it. You can not it is impossible for you. Stop using a legal/business term when you can't even hope to validate that claim. I am done. I have no reason to continue this. Good day sir.
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Ok, I'll admit I misread Vocal Minority. As for Supermajority, the free dictionary states, "such as." It is always in the case of 51% within the United States in matters of votes or polls(Articles I and II, and the [i]Mason Manuals[/i]). And once again, I'm quantifying this by 1. the people who've liked the YouTube address of issue by MoreConsole and LeveCap, and 2. this posts ratings. Ma'am. But it's all good.
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A specified majority of votes, such as 60 percent, required to approve a motion or pass legislation. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. a majority greater than a specified number, as 60%, of the total: required to pass certain types of legislation, override vetoes, etc. [1990–95] Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved. That's nice. Basing things on unreliable data, at best, is really your call. Not something I would use to quote as a fact. Especially when posting terms like supermajority. Good day Ma'am.
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But you're just randomly citing dictionary definitions when I alone have the Constitution stating the exact percentage. Please go educate yourself before stating "unreliable data." Good day, Sir.
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Dictionary definitions being unreliable? That's new. Good day, Ma'am
