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Using games Call of Duty and The Division as an example of IPs that have timed exclusive content is ridiculous, and completely ignores the historical significance of this particular example. You'll notice people don't complain nearly as much about those games having such content, if at all. Now why do you suppose that is? Well, I'll tell you. It's because the developers for those titles didn't create a market on a particular platform. For this video to claim that the fact that Bungie developed exclusively for the Xbox is irrelevant shows a complete disregard to the historical significance of this problem as well. I don't know if this person is new to the community or what, but that is wholly disrespectful to make such a statement as that. Halo was THE Xbox game. It revolutionized the FPS genre in multiple ways, and cultivated a fanbase both around Halo and, more specifically, around Bungie. When Halo 3 released, it was on the Xbox 360. There were actually many people that followed Bungie to the console because they put out great products- not just people that followed Halo. Therefore, while switching to Playstation as a focus for their content, they are essentially forgetting about those people that followed them in the past, who developed a decade's worth of friendships and experiences on another platform largely due to Bungie. I've said this before and I'll say it again- nobody was complaining about Bungie including the Playstation with Destiny. Fans on the forums were actually PLEASED, because it meant Bungie was growing and would have a larger fanbase. The issue is that they aren't being treated equally- they're being treated BETTER. And after a decade of giving your all to Bungie as a fan of the company instead of the game, that is a very hard pill to swallow. Xbox fans were not asking for exclusive content because of their history with Bungie. Xbox fans were expecting equality. This video goes on to talk about how it is a good business decision. And from a money standpoint, it is... for Sony. And Activision. Not Bungie. And I don't understand how anybody could possibly say 'because it made them more money as a business decision, it is not a betrayal.' Excuse me? That's absolutely idiotic to say! Since when does profit determine morality? I'll tell you when: Since never. Insomniac games making games for Playstation then making an Xbone exclusive? Yeah, that sucks. But guess what? That doesn't suddenly make it acceptable or make it any less of a betrayal that a completely different company is doing nearly the same thing. Again, a really stupid thing to imply otherwise. Later, he goes on to say he would request Sunset Overdrive were only on playstation, but doesn't because he is a 'rational human being.' To which I reply... an ignorant one. This, my friends, is a classic example of somebody only hearing what they want to hear. You see, this user seems to be completely ignoring the fact that Xbox users are NOT asking that Destiny be exclusive to the Xbox One. They are NOT asking that they be given exclusive content instead. What Xbox users ARE asking for is that everybody be given the SAME content. And for this video to say that such talk is irrational? This seems like a very ignorant and close-minded person. Edit: Please note that 5 hours later, this subthread has far too many replies for me to get to everybody. Too many people are replying to random posts and Bungie.net's layout is not conductive of a large discussion. Since notifications only link me to the most recent reply, it is very likely I will miss a lot of you because the subthread is too long and too confusing to scroll through, now. Apologies to those I seemingly ignore.
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  • Bought it for a very good reason, if Bungie were going to make more money on mac or could of made it to even send out the game ready do you think they would of been bought by MS?

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  • [quote]The issue is that they aren't being treated equally- they're being treated BETTER[/quote] Which is how Xbox was treated for the longest time. DLC first, even Exclusive DLC, wasn't timed exclusive like Sony. They straight up got DLC that was never released to the Playstation.

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  • [quote]Which is how Xbox was treated for the longest time. DLC first, even Exclusive DLC, wasn't timed exclusive like Sony. They straight up got DLC that was never released to the Playstation.[/quote][quote]Insomniac games making games for Playstation then making an Xbone exclusive? Yeah, that sucks. But guess what? That doesn't suddenly make it acceptable or make it any less of a betrayal that a completely different company is doing nearly the same thing. Again, a really stupid thing to imply otherwise. Later, he goes on to say he would request Sunset Overdrive were only on playstation, but doesn't because he is a 'rational human being.' To which I reply... an ignorant one. This, my friends, is a classic example of somebody only hearing what they want to hear. You see, this user seems to be completely ignoring the fact that Xbox users are NOT asking that Destiny be exclusive to the Xbox One. They are NOT asking that they be given exclusive content instead. What Xbox users ARE asking for is that everybody be given the SAME content. [/quote]

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  • And they will, in Fall of 2015. I find it funny that they are asking this now, because they thought nothing of it when they were getting everything first. You know what? I would of loved to got the Exclusive Xbox Oblivion DLC way back when but I didn't. It's not like Xbox users will never get to play what Sony is getting off the bat. They will later on. Xbox users are use to getting everything first, now they're not and they are throwing a huge temper tantrum. It's childish, and those that aren't...are asking for equality now. How laughable is that? After years of getting special treatment you want equality because you're not being treated the same as the other guy?

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  • A year is essentially not getting the same content you do realise that this game works on Level right? Well in a year people will for the most part hit max level or well above this gear, found ships they want instead of these ones, and the strike will be under level for them. Unless it is game breaking DLC which then it shouldn't be DLC from day one anyway. On your second point why didn't you ask for that equality then? and seriously then bethesda were being idiots if it was all permanent exclusive, they lost out on money. Equality is something that is our human right, to deny another that or say it is laughable is terrible.

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  • It's not even worth discussing crap like this with dudes. Guy literally says a bunch of people bought the 360 specifically for halo 3. Cool, why didn't he do the same with Destiny then? Because he's a microsoft fanboi, not a bungie fanboy. It's not even really about the special treatment I don't think, it's just these dudes getting pissed and realize how mucked up microsoft got everything and how well sony played it out. This generation isn't even going to be a console war and it's already apparent.

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  • Multi-Console the DLC isn't perma-exclusive but might as well be. Honestly in my opinion throw a bitchfit if it's been confirmed by Activision and Bungie till then keep quiet and check what the low-down is, I'd be seriously surprised if Activision and Bungie did this considering both Bungie's support of it's community and Activisions history with Timed-Exclusive DLC. Btw a lot of the Playstation people have been saying Blame Microsoft for not putting money down to give us the DLC. Well back at you if you are so concerned about CoD DLC etc. Blame Sony not have a go at us, till you do kindly be quiet.

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  • Exactly, all i'm trying to point out..and what people continually fail to grasp is this. They are getting treated the same way Sony has been treated when it comes to certain IP's. When the shoe is on the other foot they cry for equal treatment and fairness. It's too late for that.

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  • The argument back can be, blame Sony for that, they obviously didn't put money down to get this DLC to come to you guys sooner. I'm tired of the argument "Now you get what you deserve!" because no one deserves it, till you be the bigger man or woman kindly go lose your humanity elsewhere.

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  • [quote]And they will, in Fall of 2015. [/quote]Saying 'oh you will get treated equally eventually' is an absolutely ridiculous response. Surely you don't seriously expect anybody to think that is a valid line of thought, right? [quote] I find it funny that they are asking this now, because they thought nothing of it when they were getting everything first. [/quote]It has always sucked. But the issue here is the historical significance of it being Bungie. Hence why you don't see us complaining about how we don't get to play games like Killzone. The issue revolves around Bungie, not Destiny.[quote] You know what? I would of loved to got the Exclusive Xbox Oblivion DLC way back when but I didn't. It's not like Xbox users will never get to play what Sony is getting off the bat. They will later on. Xbox users are use to getting everything first, now they're not and they are throwing a huge temper tantrum. It's childish, and those that aren't...are asking for equality now. [/quote] ... Way to repeat the exact same thing without regards to what my response was: [quote]Insomniac games making games for Playstation then making an Xbone exclusive? Yeah, that sucks. But guess what? That doesn't suddenly make it acceptable or make it any less of a betrayal that a completely different company is doing nearly the same thing. Again, a really stupid thing to imply otherwise. Later, he goes on to say he would request Sunset Overdrive were only on playstation, but doesn't because he is a 'rational human being.' To which I reply... an ignorant one. [/quote] In addition, to call it 'childish' is incredibly rude and close-minded. How is wanting to be treated equally 'childish?' To say that 'everybody that wants the Xbox to get content at the same time is childish' is a seriously idiotic statement. [quote] How laughable is that? [/quote]Not in the slightest. [quote]After years of getting special treatment you want equality because you're not being treated the same as the other guy?[/quote]In the case of Bungie, yes.

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  • [quote]In the case of Bungie, yes.[/quote] Because you think Bungie owes you something, they don't. As you've previously stated [quote]Halo was THE Xbox game[/quote] Not only was it THE Xbox game, it made the Xbox. Halo was and still is the flagship franchise for the Xbox. The Xbox wouldn't be what it is today without Bungie and Halo. This whole idea of Bungie owes us for making them as big as they are is ludicrous. There is no historical significance. All it is, is Bungie use to be with Microsoft, they've since moved on and now you you're mad that you aren't getting the special treatment. It's a new IP, and a new generation...and for once Sony is getting special treatment and you can't handle it. As far as Insomniac and Microsoft is concerned. I don't care, i'm not in the least bit interested in that game.

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  • Then I'm sure you can name some big Playstation exclusives that sold that brand right?

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  • Are you referring to the Insomniac brand? You have to be more clear.

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  • [quote]Because you think Bungie owes you something, they don't. [/quote]No. What I am saying is that after ten years of exclusivity, it is wrong to exclude those same people when you finally open up to a larger audience. [quote]Not only was it THE Xbox game, it made the Xbox. Halo was and still is the flagship franchise for the Xbox. The Xbox wouldn't be what it is today without Bungie and Halo. [/quote]Indeed. [quote] This whole idea of Bungie owes us for making them as big as they are is ludicrous.[/quote]... I never once said that. That would be an absolutely idiotic argument. If anybody HAS said that- I disagree with them. Such an argument holds no merit. [quote] There is no historical significance.[/quote]Wrong. You literally could not be more wrong. [quote]Halo was THE Xbox game. It revolutionized the FPS genre in multiple ways, and cultivated a fanbase both around Halo and, more specifically, around Bungie. When Halo 3 released, it was on the Xbox 360. There were actually many people that followed Bungie to the console because they put out great products- not just people that followed Halo. Therefore, while switching to Playstation as a focus for their content, they are essentially forgetting about those people that followed them in the past, who developed a decade's worth of friendships and experiences on another platform largely due to Bungie.[/quote]To claim there is no historical significance is simply a lie. Some of these statements are open for interpretation. But that one? That one is not. There is an ENORMOUS amount of historical significance here which is why the issue is bigger than Killzone being a Playstation exclusive. Anybody denying that is flat out lying or does not have a clue what they are talking about- plain and simple. [quote] All it is, is Bungie use to be with Microsoft, they've since moved on and now you you're mad that you aren't getting the special treatment. It's a new IP, and a new generation...and for once Sony is getting special treatment and you can't handle it. [/quote]No, I'm fine without getting 'special treatment.' We want EQUAL treatment. I have said this many times now and you keep ignoring it. It's something I've already typed out many times.[quote]I've said this before and I'll say it again- nobody was complaining about Bungie including the Playstation with Destiny. Fans on the forums were actually PLEASED, because it meant Bungie was growing and would have a larger fanbase. The issue is that they aren't being treated equally- they're being treated BETTER. And after a decade of giving your all to Bungie as a fan of the company instead of the game, that is a very hard pill to swallow. Xbox fans were not asking for exclusive content because of their history with Bungie. Xbox fans were expecting equality. [/quote] [quote] As far as Insomniac and Microsoft is concerned. I don't care, i'm not in the least bit interested in that game.[/quote]As far as your interest in Insomniac and Microsoft is concerned, I don't care. I'm not the least bit interested in what you think of them. That doesn't affect the validity of the example in the slightest.

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  • Look man, what it comes down to is money. Bungie no longer has a contract with Microsoft, in fact the relationship between Microsoft and Bungie is stained. Bungie entered into a 10 year deal with Activison and Activision threw a whole lot of money around to get exclusivity for the DLC. You keep saying equal treatment but where was the cry for equal treatment before? Now that the shoe is on the other foot you want equal treatment. All I'm saying is you can't go around and ask for equal treatment when there was never equal treatment to begin with. As much as people like to say there isn't one. There is...this is a war. A war between 2 video game giants, and one side will always do what it takes to win. Because in the end, it's all about the money.

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  • Where was the visibility of this war? I'll admit I never cared that CoD was getting DLC sooner then Playstation because I just didn't like CoD at all never bought any of their map packs within that month of it being exclusive to Xbox and never cared enough, only did I buy WaW zombie maps about a year after the DLC was released so yeah think on that.

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  • [quote]Look man, what it comes down to is money.[/quote][quote]This video goes on to talk about how it is a good business decision. And from a money standpoint, it is... for Sony. And Activision. Not Bungie. And I don't understand how anybody could possibly say 'because it made them more money as a business decision, it is not a betrayal.' Excuse me? That's absolutely idiotic to say! Since when does profit determine morality? I'll tell you when: Since never.[/quote] [quote] You keep saying equal treatment but where was the cry for equal treatment before? Now that the shoe is on the other foot you want equal treatment. [/quote]Equal treatment for who? Under what? Halo? Bungie didn't own Halo- they didn't choose who to produce for. Microsoft owned Halo, and the only way they would even have been able to develop it (funding, in case you don't know the history of Bungie) is by selling themselves to Microsoft. [quote] All I'm saying is you can't go around and ask for equal treatment when there was never equal treatment to begin with.[/quote]Yes, you can. You're basically saying 'if someone was wronged, everybody should be wronged.' And that's pretty backwards thinking.

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  • Yes let's completely wipe the slate clean. Let's just ignore the fact that for the entire 7th generation of consoles, Xbox has gotten the royal treatment over Playstation. Now Playstation is getting a little love we're gonna ask for equality. That's backwards thinking if you ask me. It's ok that Playstation users have been treated like that, but god forbid Xbox users get treated the same way for once.

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  • I'd say it's inhuman thinking not just backwards.

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  • Oh shit, Breets actually laid some smack down.

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  • Edited by sergeantawesome: 6/22/2014 1:00:58 AM
    So, how does bungie owe you and the other halo vets? I say you should be thanking them for that much Halo instead of bitching at them. Selfish.

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  • [quote]So, how does bungie owe you and the other halo vets?[/quote]At what point did I say we were 'owed' anything? I'll give you a hint: I didn't. [quote] I say you should be thanking them instead of bitching at them.[/quote]So your response to 'After 10 years of loyalty, Xbox users are being treated as less than the Playstation users' is 'Be thankful you get anything at all?' You know, if you replace some of those words, you sound like a really terrible person using that logic. "after 20 years of hard labor, slaves are being treated as less than the White man." "be thankful you even get any food or shelter at all." An over the top example, but it goes to show that such logic is backwards and uninspired thinking that you should, in all honesty, be ashamed of.

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  • So this is the way angry Xbox fans think?

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  • Edited by sergeantawesome: 6/22/2014 1:20:59 AM
    Get over yourself. It's video games. And I stand by what I said. Your argument is insane and completely deluded. And you are very much implying that you and other "loyal fans" are owed something, if not everything. Saying you are loyal to them like they demanded it and it consumed your life is just stupid. That was your choice. Bungie is trying to bring Sony owners not familiar with their games to them trying to reach as many people as they can by offering incentives to play their game. The last and only PS bungie game was ONI and for PS2.

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  • [quote]Get over yourself. It's video games. [/quote]Get over yourself. It's a video game. [quote]And I stand by what I said. Your argument is insane and completely deluded. [/quote]No, it isn't. In fact, it's much better said and much better laid out- as well as more logical- than this video. In fact, [url=http://www.bungie.net/7_Lack-of-Damage-Control-Methods-Vs-Outcomes--A-Theo/en/Forum/Post?id=62621067]I have a lot more depth to it here[/url]. [quote] And you are very much implying that you and other "loyal fans" are owed something, if not everything. [/quote]No. What I am saying is that after ten years of exclusivity, it is wrong to exclude those same people when you finally open up to a larger audience. [quote] Saying you are loyal to them like they demanded it and it consumed your life is just stupid. That was your choice. [/quote] Yes, it was our choice. And with Bungie traditionally being a community focused entity that placed its emphasis on community interaction and wholesomeness, the abrupt change to essentially telling those people they don't matter is a betrayal. [quote] Bungie is trying to bring Sony owners not familiar with their games to them trying to reach as many people as they can by offering incentives to play their game.[/quote]Which can be done without telling older fans that they are not important anymore. To say otherwise is to choose ignorance.

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