Bungie isn't forgetting about their xbox fans. They are inviting the playstation fans to be a part of the family. They are still making a game for xbox aren't they?

I think you've gotten more comments than I have. For the record, I'm not trying to say that exclusive DLC is good. It's not and I'm not defending it. I hate it, you hate it, everyone hates it. People seemed to think (and I definitely didn't make this point clear) that I want exclusive content in the world. I don't. I've been burned by it before plenty of times, CoD, Skyrim, Fallout, name it. If it were up to me, everyone would get content at the same time as everyone else, mainly so we wouldn't have these dumb threads deteriorating into chaos and shouting. I guess what it's really coming down to is my opinion is: Shit happens, so make something else happen or deal with it. My favorite PS2/PS3 developer is now making an MS exclusive game. Shit happened. I'm dealing with it. That's it. That's the whole opinion. How people want to deal with shit happening is up to them. I'll choose to deal with it by buying an Xbox One if I can ever afford one. If people don't want to accept that exclusive content will be sitting around as long as people keep buying it, that's their problem. It's around because it works. Until there's no reason to make exclusive stuff anymore, it's staying. I don't like it, you don't like it, no one likes it. Is it moral? I'd say no, you're depriving people of content that they want. Part of my argument doesn't revolve morality; people have outright said and tried to argue that it's a bad business idea for Sony/Activision to do this. No one mentioned anything about morals, nor do I ever bring it up. My reply would be: In the business world, this is a great idea. In the morality world, this is a bad idea. I have zero idea how much input Bungie has in this situation. Yes, I'm new to the Bungie world. No, I have no grounds in Halo. Perhaps I don't appreciate the history behind the situation. All this was supposed to be was one random dude's opinion to answer the 900 people asking me about this situation every goddamn day so I'd could be left alone to make content about the GAME, not controversy. I did not expect this to become as big of a mess as it has, mainly because nothing else of mine is ever really posted anywhere that often (or ever, for the most part). All the other stuff I put out, detailed information, discussion, nope, it's gotta be the 5 minutes where I'm an asshole for voicing an opinion that a lot of people wouldn't stop nagging me about (the opinion itself, not necessarily the context). Certainly learned a lesson today.

[quote]I think you've gotten more comments than I have.[/quote]If it makes you feel better, most of them are calling me retarded. [quote] For the record, I'm not trying to say that exclusive DLC is good. It's not and I'm not defending it. I hate it, you hate it, everyone hates it. People seemed to think (and I definitely didn't make this point clear) that I want exclusive content in the world. I don't. I've been burned by it before plenty of times, CoD, Skyrim, Fallout, name it. If it were up to me, everyone would get content at the same time as everyone else, mainly so we wouldn't have these dumb threads deteriorating into chaos and shouting.[/quote]I understand. I didn't mean to imply otherwise about you. As a gamer, exclusive content sucks. It's a good thing for the businesses, not the gamer. [quote] Is it moral? I'd say no, you're depriving people of content that they want. Part of my argument doesn't revolve morality; people have outright said and tried to argue that it's a bad business idea for Sony/Activision to do this. No one mentioned anything about morals, nor do I ever bring it up. My reply would be: In the business world, this is a great idea. In the morality world, this is a bad idea. I have zero idea how much input Bungie has in this situation.[/quote]And here is a big issue for me. For starters just to clarify- I do not say it is a bad business idea. That is something that, in all sincerity, people that do not understand how marketing words say. Younger people, very likely. It was a very good deal in terms of money. Sony gets exclusive content, and in exchange they tote Destiny around as 'The Game' for their new console- ensuring FUTURE games sales since the people will already have a PS4- which means Activision saves a lot of money on advertising since Sony is doing it for them. It's reasonable. It's even [i]expected[/i] from the likes of Activision. But the distinction here is that it is Bungie. The historical significance of this is something I absolutely cannot disregard, and anybody that does is showing no regard to literally the entire reason people are upset. There is a reason people aren't throwing chairs because of Call of Duty early DLC and the likes. It's because that company does not have the history Bungie does. [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post?id=62621067]If you are interested and have some time, this is a link to a much more detailed argument over what the effect on the community was regarding this issue[/url]. [quote] All this was supposed to be was one random dude's opinion to answer the 900 people asking me about this situation every goddamn day so I'd could be left alone to make content about the GAME, not controversy. I did not expect this to become as big of a mess as it has, mainly because nothing else of mine is ever really posted anywhere that often (or ever, for the most part). [/quote] But here is what you have to keep in mind. You are one of the bigger, or more well known, youtube channels related to Destiny. And people- cheesy as it sounds- look up to you. Your opinions matter. I have a few hundred followers on this site and a fair number of them respect what I have to say here too. That's why I always try to keep a rational mind about things. Do I always succeed? Not even close. But even when I fail, I keep in mind that my posts may have an influence over other people. Yours is even bigger. When you make statements like that, people flock. It causes a polarizing effect because you get the people supporting the ideas of a youtuber they like very strongly, and the people opposing that have to get even louder because they can't be heard over the sound of those other people calling the dissenters 'retards' and the likes. This is a very controversial topic. It's one that is very near to the Bungie.net community because all the veterans here went through what is known as 'The Darkness' from 2011 to 2013. We are all very involved in the community and Bungie. So to be disregarded so casually- as you say in a five minute video you did not expect to be a big deal? That is in all honesty something numerous people see as disrespectful. As are many of the replies I have received... as are some of the ones I have given as well, unfortunately. But a video about a controversial topic getting so much attention? That is how the internet works. And that is why it is so important to keep ones' viewers or readers in mind. [quote] Certainly learned a lesson today.[/quote]I was disrespectful in my first post, and I apologize. But I will maintain the posts' message. And I know you're passionate about Destiny- as am I. But I do really hope you understand that this is the community- on this website- that was built around Bungie and their dedication to their fans. It is the seeming abandonment of that part of their new community that frustrates us. And besides. A point I haven't really got into with people in this thread because I don't care to but... Xbox users here feel betrayed. And if you really think about it... doesn't that mean there is a problem regardless of how anybody else views it? The phrase 'perception is reality' comes to mind. If somebody feels left out of a group, that's as big a problem as if they really were or not in my eyes.

Ya know, reading through this all has made me aware of a few things. You apparently have little idea how a business actually works, you constantly demand from people to prove their point more valid than yours instead of stepping up and defending your own point, and you constantly link to a question and answer you post and answer yourself. Providing a link to your own opinion does not in fact validate your opinion. It actually lessens it. As for everything you've written in your argument, it's asinine. It matters naught in the grand scheme of things. You and others getting so bloody well worked up over it does not in fact make your point more valid or strengthens it. In the end dear boy, it's just a game, and Bungie is all that they are, a business.

[quote]\You apparently have little idea how a business actually works, [/quote]How so? [quote]you constantly demand from people to prove their point more valid than yours instead of stepping up and defending your own point,[/quote]I constantly prove my point as being valid. You choosing not to see it does not change this. [quote] and you constantly link to a question and answer you post and answer yourself. [/quote]I do not link to a Q&A thread. If you had actually read the thread, you would know this and you would never have made this post since it contradicts almost everything you wrote here. Again, you choosing not to see something doesn't mean it isn't there. The argument is provided there in depth. Closing your eyes and going 'lalala' does not affect this. [quote] Providing a link to your own opinion does not in fact validate your opinion. It actually lessens it. [/quote]Two things. First, it [i]explains[/i] the viewpoint. That is the point. Second... 'lessens it?' No it doesn't. That's asinine. It's a 10 page argument explaining the details of the reason people are upset. But then, you didn't actually read it we established earlier. Kind of makes your entire opinion moot, now doesn't it? [quote] As for everything you've written in your argument, it's asinine. [/quote]*I am not going to address any particular point and just say it is all stupid, That way I do not have to validate any of it. SO THERE!" [quote] It matters naught in the grand scheme of things.[/quote]You're on a video game website. If you are trying to pull the 'oh there are more important things' card, then leave the website because you're defying the entire purpose of it existing.

Business is not run by morals, in fact business is run by cold hard numbers. Very little in morality goes into making a business decision, it's all about what is best for the business and their bottom line and the consumer has no say in that unless they're somehow the board of directors/executives. Which yes Bungie does have and yes do dictate how their business is gonna run. If you want an example of how morals do not take part in business, pop any game that has multiplayer or internet capability in, go ahead, I'll wait...Done? Good, see that little blurb of information you have to read through called the Terms of Service/EULA? Yeah, that's the most common and least moral thing a business can do, and everyone in the industry today does it. You don't agree to it? You don't get to play your game. Now luckily the courts have ruled that such things are unenforceable. Yet that is still an average business practice. Morality had nothing to do with that or any other contract ever forged on the face of this earth in terms of business. That's where part of your little argument falls apart. Business is not, and never will be, founded on morals. I know this first hand. Moving right along, demanding others prove their point without first solidifying your position does little to strengthen your own position. I've seen you do it to quite a few reasonable replies below, you use your own (Yes it was a question and answer thread) to try and validate your position. That does not in fact validate your position. Call it what you will and yes I did read through your "10 page word document", though I found that an effort titanic in its own right considering how often it turned to an entire feeling of unjustifiable anger towards "how could budgie do this to us?!" and made little sense in the way of how every game developer has done the same thing for years. They changed up a bit, they've given reasons for their changes, and for you to be so butt hurt about it just surprises and makes people look at you strangely. Change happens, you may not like it, but it does. And finally again, you're using your own thread to validate your own position, there's no two ways about it, you say it explains the entire reasoning behind why so many people are angry that Sony is being shown a little favoritism, without ever really acknowledging the point that Bungie for almost 2 years now has been saying that exclusive content is coming, that Sony's console is gonna get some preferential treatment here. You wrote up a "10 page word document" and posted it online to validate your position, and gave no reason for its validity. Your entire reasoning within that document is "We're multi-year fans of this company and we deserve better treatment than this!" and thinking that that is firm ground to stand upon. It repetitiously comes off as entitled, like they owe you for the time you decided to put into them. They owe you nothing. Absolutely nothing, just like they owe me or anyone else nothing. You're 12 year fans of Bungie, congratulations, you want a cookie? I've been following Bungie games since Durandal first appeared. I don't expect any favoritism or special recognition, I just hope they keep making great games! Bungie is a business, and for a business to survive, they have to work hard, and make difficult choices. Do I go with product supplier A or B. Do I choose to back this company or that company, what will benefit my company and keep my employees alive another year. Fans and followers matter little in the world of business, once your name is known, someone is always going to be there to buy the next new thing you put out. Apple is a great example of that. For me your argument is nothing more than the chattering of someone who does not like the fact that this generation, Bungie feels more comfortable giving Sony a little booster shot that literally makes up less than .01% of the entire game experience. You cry over the fact that Sony fans get 4 days early access to the beta...THE BETA. That's not even the final build of the game, none of that player data is going to transfer over to the final product. No beta has ever allowed player data to flow into the final build. Everyone starts off on the same footing, and considering Bungie needs to build a beachhead in the Sony market it's a good move on their part. They want as many people to climb aboard from that player-base as possible. So they gave 4 extra days of beta testing, 2 firearms, 3 armor sets, 3 Ships, 1 PvP map, and 1 strike mission on a mid-level planet. Honestly? That's maybe, MAYBE $5-10.00 worth of content, if even. For you guys to get so bloody butt hurt and feel that you deserve more only because you've been "loyal" to Bungie for a few years is arrogant thinking at its worst. Beyond what I listed, they've given nothing else aside from an awesome game that's gonna rock the socks off of anything they've made before. They haven't taken anything away from the game, they haven't suddenly downgraded the experience because they're giving some small extras to Playstation owners. They've given some small middling content to them, that's it. That's all they've done. In the face of that, how can you even justify your anger towards Bungie? P.S., for you to even suggest that because I can recognize that Bungie's decisions are not going to change the world all of a sudden, and that all they have made over the years are barely even a blip on the radar of Universal events and then are going to tell me to leave the website? That's about as arrogant as one can get. The purpose of this website existing is for fans of the company to come together, greet each other, have fun, maybe even get to discuss things with the Developers themselves. Not to belittle, not to act so holier than thou because you've been here longer, and not to come out raging against everything that the company does that you don't like because you feel that it invalidates your position as a long time fan. That's the true crux of your argument. You've been a fan for such a long time, that when they make a change that you don't like, and that doesn't show preference to you, or doesn't give to you what it gives to new comers, you feel that your time is invalidated. The only way that would have been true is if they had suddenly come out 2 years ago and said "Destiny is a Playstation exclusive." Then I would have seen reason to argue that they are forgetting about their fans, yet they're not. They're giving you the game, they're still making the game for your preferred console. Hell, they're still going to give you the content you're crying about at a later date! There has been no firm declaration of when that date will come! More than likely it will be no more than 3 to 6 months from when the game is released. In the face of all that, how you still argue that you have a valid point is...Incomprehensible.

[quote]Business is not run by morals, in fact business is run by cold hard numbers. Very little in morality goes into making a business decision, it's all about what is best for the business and their bottom line and the consumer has no say in that unless they're somehow the board of directors/executives. [/quote]Enron was a business. Laws aside, does that make what the executives did OK? I'll give you a small hint to help you along: It doesn't. [quote]Terms of Service/EULA? Yeah, that's the most common and least moral thing a business can do, and everyone in the industry today does it.[/quote]... Laying out liability is immoral? Uh... no offense mate, but I'm starting to doubt your understanding or what morality actually is... [quote] Morality had nothing to do with that or any other contract ever forged on the face of this earth in terms of business. That's where part of your little argument falls apart. Business is not, and never will be, founded on morals. I know this first hand.[/quote]I don't know how old you are, but it seems to be like you have never taken business classes or been involved in the world. I have. Morality, and staying on good terms with customers and partners, is a fundamental aspect of business. Companies lay out contracts and often don't even follow them- instead relying on cultural norms to decide what the correct course of action is. This is very basic stuff, and you making the statement I quoted- in all honesty- shows me that you do not have a clue what this is all about. [quote] Moving right along, demanding others prove their point without first solidifying your position does little to strengthen your own position.[/quote]I solidified my position, and have done so literally dozens of times in this thread. Give me an example of when I have not. [quote] (Yes it was a question and answer thread)[/quote]No it isn't. It's an explanation as to the viewpoint of the people that are upset. I think I know what my thread is about better than someone that hasn't even read it, thank you.[quote] yes I did read through your "10 page word document", [/quote]Clearly not. [quote]made little sense in the way of how every game developer has done the same thing for years. [/quote]I say 'clearly not' because if you had read it, you would understand that this is a different situation from 'every other game developer.' This part is not opinion- that is objective fact, which is why I give you no credibility. The historical significance of these decisions is the differentiating factor. [quoet] They changed up a bit, they've given reasons for their changes,[/quote]They have not 'given reasons for their changes.' They have not acknowledged it at all. All they have said is 'we are welcoming new people.' That's it. Which leads us to literally every post I have made in this thread. [quote] And finally again, you're using your own thread to validate your own position,[/quote]Correct. If you'd like, I could copy and paste the whole thing. It just seems more efficient to use a link. [quote] without ever really acknowledging the point that Bungie for almost 2 years now has been saying that exclusive content is coming, that Sony's console is gonna get some preferential treatment here.[/quote]No, that's literally what the entire post is about. How the past community was forgotten because Bungie has shifted their focus elsewhere. I don't quite see how you do not understand this... [quote] and gave no reason for its validity. Your entire reasoning within that document is "We're multi-year fans of this company and we deserve better treatment than this!" and thinking that that is firm ground to stand upon.[/quote]The entire post is consistently validating itself. You should give it a read. And it is not because 'we were fans.' It is because of the shift from being a community oriented developer to a business oriented developer that has lost one of its core pillars. Hence the issue. [quote] It repetitiously comes off as entitled, like they owe you for the time you decided to put into them. They owe you nothing. Absolutely nothing, just like they owe me or anyone else nothing. You're 12 year fans of Bungie, congratulations, you want a cookie? I've been following Bungie games since Durandal first appeared. I don't expect any favoritism or special recognition, I just hope they keep making great games! [/quote]I have never said they 'owe' anything. I have simply said that they have betrayed their community focus- the group they spent a very long time cultivating specifically to gain loyalty. I don't care when you first heard of Bungie, Mr. October 7th 2013. The point is that you were not involved in the community as many people here was. And that is the world of difference that makes the entire point. [quote] Bungie is a business, and for a business to survive, they have to work hard, and make difficult choices. Do I go with product supplier A or B. Do I choose to back this company or that company, what will benefit my company and keep my employees alive another year. Fans and followers matter little in the world of business, once your name is known, someone is always going to be there to buy the next new thing you put out. Apple is a great example of that.[/quote] [quote] This video goes on to talk about how it is a good business decision. And from a money standpoint, it is... for Sony. And Activision. Not Bungie. And I don't understand how anybody could possibly say 'because it made them more money as a business decision, it is not a betrayal.' Excuse me? That's absolutely idiotic to say! Since when does profit determine morality? I'll tell you when: Since never.[/quote] [quote] You cry over the fact that Sony fans get 4 days early access to the beta...THE BETA. [/quote]That is not the issue, and stating that shows you do not actually understand even what the issue is despite all the words you have put down. [quote] Everyone starts off on the same footing,[/quote]Wouldn't that be nice if everybody started off on the same footing? [quote] and considering Bungie needs to build a beachhead in the Sony market it's a good move on their part. They want as many people to climb aboard from that player-base as possible. So they gave 4 extra days of beta testing, 2 firearms, 3 armor sets, 3 Ships, 1 PvP map, and 1 strike mission on a mid-level planet. [/quote]Hence the thread I linked you. It's business, abandoning their pillar of community orientation. [quote] Honestly? That's maybe, MAYBE $5-10.00 worth of content, if even. [/quote]The amount doesn't matter. It's the concept. Again, this shows you do not understand the actual argument. [quote]For you guys to get so bloody butt hurt and feel that you deserve more only because you've been "loyal" to Bungie for a few years is arrogant thinking at its worst. [/quote]We do not think we deserve more. We wanted equality, not superiority. [quote] I've said this before and I'll say it again- nobody was complaining about Bungie including the Playstation with Destiny. Fans on the forums were actually PLEASED, because it meant Bungie was growing and would have a larger fanbase. The issue is that they aren't being treated equally- they're being treated BETTER. And after a decade of giving your all to Bungie as a fan of the company instead of the game, that is a very hard pill to swallow. Xbox fans were not asking for exclusive content because of their history with Bungie. Xbox fans were expecting equality. [/quote] [quote] In the face of that, how can you even justify your anger towards Bungie?[/quote]See: Every post I have made in this thread. [quote] The purpose of this website existing is for fans of the company to come together, greet each other, have fun, maybe even get to discuss things with the Developers themselves. [/quote]And Bungie used to be involved in that with everyone- encouraged it. And yet now we have a clear division. [quote] You've been a fan for such a long time, that when they make a change that you don't like, and that doesn't show preference to you, or doesn't give to you what it gives to new comers, you feel that your time is invalidated. [/quote]Not true at all. It is not about how long you have been a fan. It's about community involvement, and Bungie's cultivation of that community. It's like... imagine a garden. Bungie planted a garden. They feed their family with it. It is delicious. They care for the garden. Nurture it. It grows around them. But they tire of those foods. So they decide to grow apple trees instead. Thus they water the garden enough to partly keep it alive, but dedicate their time to cultivating the apples even as their garden itself withers. [quote] The only way that would have been true is if they had suddenly come out 2 years ago and said "Destiny is a Playstation exclusive." Then I would have seen reason to argue that they are forgetting about their fans, yet they're not. [/quote]In the thread I linked, I have a section on the Mac. Had they made the game a PS4 exclusive under those terms, people would not have been upset. [quote] There has been no firm declaration of when that date will come! More than likely it will be no more than 3 to 6 months from when the game is released. [/quote]Well, Activision came out today and said it is a year. They redacted the statement, but that is likely not because it is untrue and more to avoid the backlash. Though I'll admit, my explanation for their reasoning is still speculation.

If you're just going to cherry pick out of that entire post, I'm not even gonna take the time to respond any further. I wish you a good day, and hope if you do pick this game up you enjoy it none the less.

[quote]and hope if you do pick this game up you enjoy it none the less.[/quote]Oh I will definitely pick it up. I preordered it before the announced the game. Funny story- I went to the gamestop two hours before the Playstation Reveal and asked to preorder, right when they opened. I asked them to preorder Destiny and they said 'What?' I said it's a game that is going to be announced in two hours. They laughed, looked in their system, and were surprised it was there. Walked out with the first preorder of Destiny in the Central Timezone. :P Hope you enjoy it too.

Why do you feel betrayed? Shouldn't you feel more betrayed by Microsoft who caused all this? Hell I felt betrayed and that's why I didn't buy the XB1. Honestly if it was only a PS exclusive then yes feel betrayed, but till then you have no right to act this way.

[quote]Why do you feel betrayed? [/quote]You can read literally any of my posts and figure it out. [quote] Honestly if it was only a PS exclusive then yes feel betrayed, but till then you have no right to act this way.[/quote]I have no [i]right[/i]? Who the hell do you think you are? You don't decide what [i]my[/i] rights are. Get over yourself. And think about what you just said. You just said "you can feel betrayed if it were a little more extreme, but if it is right below my [b]arbitrary line[/b] then you have no right to do it.' You just said, 'it does not matter what the reasoning is you have no [i]right[/i] to[i]feel[/i] the way you do. but if it were even a little bit worse then suddenly every bit of logic would magically apply solely because i said no and not because it did not actually apply in the first place because i get to decide.' All you're doing is blindly defending this video's creator without any regard to logic whatsoever. And that is ridiculous.

I honestly don't give a crap about any video here nor there, back nor front, black nor white. There is no arbitrary line between a betrayal, not having the game on the XB1, and just having some exclusive guns. Honestly man/woman, not sure of your gender but this matters not, you need to get over yourself. Both you and that other guy are creating a giant flame war inside of these topics and i'm getting sick to death of it. What we need to care about is the actual game. We need to comment on constructive ways the game can be improved or fine tuned/balanced. None of this chatter is relevant to the game at all. We are, for lack of better words, having a battle of semantics over gun skins and an extra place to shoot enemies. None of this effect the game in the way you are describing it. Be mad all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you need to stop riling up these boards for something that ultimately doesn't matter.

[quote] and i'm getting sick to death of it. [/quote]Not only is nobody forcing you to read these posts, but these posts are actually hidden in a subthread. So you have to actively search them out. So why don't you just stop doing that instead of trying to tell other people what they can and cannot do? [quote]What we need to care about is the actual game. We need to comment on constructive ways the game can be improved or fine tuned/balanced. [/quote]You're implying that posting here means a person cannot do those things? Because if so, then you are wrong. [quote]None of this chatter is relevant to the game at all. [/quote]False. [quote]We are, for lack of better words, having a battle of semantics over gun skins and an extra place to shoot enemies. [/quote]... That isn't the discussion whatsoever. It's about Bungie and their tradition of community focus being upturned for the sake of business. You don't seem to understand what the actual issue is, I'm afraid. [quote] Be mad all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you need to stop riling up these boards for something that ultimately doesn't matter.[/quote]I don't 'need' to do anything, and you have no authority over me nor have you shown you understand what the issue is. It is not appreciated, and you [i]need[/i] to stop reading this thread if it upsets you that much.

You think I don't understand that it's some horrible bs that exclusive content exists in the first place? Where were you defending the Sony players when Skyrim was not only kept, months as a time in fact, from getting the major story dlc missions. Where were you when Bethesda decided not to patch the bugged PS3 version of them game and let it ride for months while giving preferential treatment to the 360 players? What was their best response to this you might ask? "The PS3 has a different architecture and is difficult to develop for". Well thats very nice that they decided not to do their jobs and released a sub par product for full retail value. Now ask yourself is Bungie doing this? No, they are optimizing Destiny for every console so it runs as best as possible. Are they ignoring any system? No, at this point is time it doesn't seem so to me. The only way i'd see this whole ragestorm being justified, is if when Bungie releases is story DLC content that the XB users have to wait longer than a week to access it. On the moral ground is it lame? Yes it is lame that they are hording some content for the PS users. Is this anything new? No not really, but I can understand why Bungie did it so they could fully fund their dream project. Honestly, I feel if it really bothers you this badly then boycott Bungie. It's what i'm doing with EA and their bs of not releasing completed and or bugged to hell games. As a whole gamers need to stand up to these companies and show them we won't roll over and buy everything they sell like the COD kids do. You do have to admit though as much as we might like to glorify one game company over another, they are all in the business to make a living and they all want money. It's just really nice when these companies actually show they care for us, but unless they are making bank I think we will always matter less. I feel like Nintendo has been crapping on their fanbase for years since the Wii was released so I understand your moral ground.

Ya people, listen to him its a business. They make money that's the whole point. If you don't like the idea of making money then don't go into business. Deal with the shit and stop making these chains and posts!

I agree with you on all of this, including your video, I honestly feel Xbox gamers should be thanking bungie for not doing what insomniac did to sony. I've been a bungie fan for 14 years or so and I do get a serious sense of community with bungie, but people do have to remember it is a business.