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Using games Call of Duty and The Division as an example of IPs that have timed exclusive content is ridiculous, and completely ignores the historical significance of this particular example. You'll notice people don't complain nearly as much about those games having such content, if at all. Now why do you suppose that is? Well, I'll tell you. It's because the developers for those titles didn't create a market on a particular platform. For this video to claim that the fact that Bungie developed exclusively for the Xbox is irrelevant shows a complete disregard to the historical significance of this problem as well. I don't know if this person is new to the community or what, but that is wholly disrespectful to make such a statement as that. Halo was THE Xbox game. It revolutionized the FPS genre in multiple ways, and cultivated a fanbase both around Halo and, more specifically, around Bungie. When Halo 3 released, it was on the Xbox 360. There were actually many people that followed Bungie to the console because they put out great products- not just people that followed Halo. Therefore, while switching to Playstation as a focus for their content, they are essentially forgetting about those people that followed them in the past, who developed a decade's worth of friendships and experiences on another platform largely due to Bungie. I've said this before and I'll say it again- nobody was complaining about Bungie including the Playstation with Destiny. Fans on the forums were actually PLEASED, because it meant Bungie was growing and would have a larger fanbase. The issue is that they aren't being treated equally- they're being treated BETTER. And after a decade of giving your all to Bungie as a fan of the company instead of the game, that is a very hard pill to swallow. Xbox fans were not asking for exclusive content because of their history with Bungie. Xbox fans were expecting equality. This video goes on to talk about how it is a good business decision. And from a money standpoint, it is... for Sony. And Activision. Not Bungie. And I don't understand how anybody could possibly say 'because it made them more money as a business decision, it is not a betrayal.' Excuse me? That's absolutely idiotic to say! Since when does profit determine morality? I'll tell you when: Since never. Insomniac games making games for Playstation then making an Xbone exclusive? Yeah, that sucks. But guess what? That doesn't suddenly make it acceptable or make it any less of a betrayal that a completely different company is doing nearly the same thing. Again, a really stupid thing to imply otherwise. Later, he goes on to say he would request Sunset Overdrive were only on playstation, but doesn't because he is a 'rational human being.' To which I reply... an ignorant one. This, my friends, is a classic example of somebody only hearing what they want to hear. You see, this user seems to be completely ignoring the fact that Xbox users are NOT asking that Destiny be exclusive to the Xbox One. They are NOT asking that they be given exclusive content instead. What Xbox users ARE asking for is that everybody be given the SAME content. And for this video to say that such talk is irrational? This seems like a very ignorant and close-minded person. Edit: Please note that 5 hours later, this subthread has far too many replies for me to get to everybody. Too many people are replying to random posts and Bungie.net's layout is not conductive of a large discussion. Since notifications only link me to the most recent reply, it is very likely I will miss a lot of you because the subthread is too long and too confusing to scroll through, now. Apologies to those I seemingly ignore.
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  • [quote]There is need because you are just moaning for no reason. Every time someone makes a justified point you ignore it completely.[/quote]I have addressed everything that was said. You are the one cherry picking and ignoring pages of posts.

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  • [quote]I have addressed everything that was said[/quote] Really? What about this? [quote]You still didnt answer these. Answer me these questions; Have you ever moved to a new job for more money? Do you do what your boss tells you? Why did you pick Xbox over PS? Do you have a younger brother or sister? Have you ever made a new friend, if so have you ever made them feel welcome? Why can't you let this go? [/quote] And this [quote]The disk content is EXACTLY THE SAME. If you buy the game new or second hand at any retail store or anywhere for any of the four consoles, the disk content is exactly the -blam!-ing same[/quote] This one too [quote]Microsoft did it for ten years. An exclusive game only to their console. Playstation get an extra strike mission, extra armour an weapons that aren't even exclusive.[/quote] And this [quote]Exodus blue and dust palace are Timed exclusives [/quote] Ooh look another one [quote]Are you stateside or UK based?[/quote]

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  • [quote][quote]I have addressed everything that was said[/quote]'I addressed everything about the topic that did not involve giving you my personal information' then. [quote]The disk content is EXACTLY THE SAME. If you buy the game new or second hand at any retail store or anywhere for any of the four consoles, the disk content is exactly the -blam!-ing same[/quote]You replied twice to the same post. I could not see the post. To this I would reply: It doesn't matter if the disk content is the same. The stuff outside the disk is not. And regardless of the stuff outside the disk being different, that still does not change the fact that Bungie has switched from its community orientation. [quote] Microsoft did it for ten years. An exclusive game only to their console. Playstation get an extra strike mission, extra armour an weapons that aren't even exclusive.[/quote] I did address that. Look harder. In fact, look to the very first post I made in this thread. [quote]Exodus blue and dust palace are Timed exclusives[/quote]Which I said was an arbitrary line that has no relevance. We still don't get them.

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  • It's good business to focus on the playstation. At the end of the day bungie is a company. They helped with the development of the ps4 because they didn't like Microsoft's business practices at the time. Many playstation gamers haven't payed halo, they haven't been given a free map, haven't played with the devs on a community play day, they haven't tried all sculls on legendary runs, they haven't freaked out over seeing somebody with a flaming helmet in halo 3. They need to draw those people in, and make money. They are making a game for Xbox, both the 360 and the One. Would them talking about it somehow make the game better? You haven't been abandoned or ignored. Besides a few days early access and some very minor exclusive content, there's going to be no difference between the games. I may be new to the forum, but I'm not new to bungie, or bungie.net. Yet making the switch from Xbox to PS wasn't hard for me. Sure it will be harder for some people who like fable or gears of war more than I do. But playing on Xbox is active choice a consumer makes. Bungie didn't trick anyone into buying an Xbox and then secretly switched over to the playstation. If anything they're growing their community by trying to draw in people who haven't experienced bungie's games or community before.

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  • Edited by burritosenior: 6/24/2014 4:23:22 PM
    [quote]It's good business to focus on the playstation. [/quote][quote] This video goes on to talk about how it is a good business decision. And from a money standpoint, it is... for Sony. And Activision. Not Bungie. And I don't understand how anybody could possibly say 'because it made them more money as a business decision, it is not a betrayal.' Excuse me? That's absolutely idiotic to say! Since when does profit determine morality? I'll tell you when: Since never. [/quote] [quote]Many playstation gamers haven't payed halo, they haven't been given a free map, haven't played with the devs on a community play day, they haven't tried all sculls on legendary runs, they haven't freaked out over seeing somebody with a flaming helmet in halo 3. They need to draw those people in, and make money.[/quote]You can do that without it being at the expense of your existing fanbase. [quote]They are making a game for Xbox, both the 360 and the One. Would them talking about it somehow make the game better?[/quote]The game? No. Would it make the situation better? Absolutely. [quote]You haven't been abandoned or ignored. Besides a few days early access and some very minor exclusive content, there's going to be no difference between the games.[/quote] [quote]Go find me a time when Bungie has mentioned Destiny and Xbox without being directly asked about it in an interview. I'll give you multiple examples of when they haven't for each. It's about those fans Bungie spent years on being ignored. And that hurts.[/quote] [quote] I may be new to the forum, but I'm not new to bungie, or bungie.net. Yet making the switch from Xbox to PS wasn't hard for me.[/quote]And for many people it is hard. I mean, saying 'well if it matters you should get get a playstation?' I don't like it when people say that. They're saying I should abandon years worth of investment for one game. A game that I'm going to get anyways, just be treated like I don't exist on. Why would I get a different console for that? It shouldn't be the case that a console decision should come down to, 'do I want to lose most of my friends since I will never play with them again or not?' [quote] If anything they're growing their community by trying to draw in people who haven't experienced bungie's games or community before.[/quote]Which can be done without being at the expense of their existing community. I have trouble seeing why anybody disagrees with this. Why is it so 'wrong' for people to feel ignored? I mean, regardless of how you feel, don't you think that if so many people are upset by this in the first place, then that means there IS actually a problem? Perception is reality. If people perceive themselves as being betrayed, then there is a problem regardless of how many other people feel like they were betrayed.

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  • Years worth of investment. You'd think you pay Deej's wages the way you're acting...

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  • The perception you've been betrayed is ignorant and childish so no it's not really a problem. Bungie is making a game for Xbox 360 and Xbox One. It's as simple as that. I'm sure Sony would have happily thrown down the cash to make Destiny PS4 exclusive all together. But at the end of the day bungie is making a game for Xbox. People will get over it or find something else equally stupid to complain about in a few months.

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  • Edited by burritosenior: 6/23/2014 5:48:31 PM
    [quote]The perception you've been betrayed is ignorant and childish so no it's not really a problem. [/quote]It is neither ignorant nor childish, and that's a rude thing to say. [quote]Bungie is making a game for Xbox 360 and Xbox One. It's as simple as that. [/quote]No it isn't. They are ignoring Xbox users and giving Playstation users exclusive content. It is as simple as that. [quote]I'm sure Sony would have happily thrown down the cash to make Destiny PS4 exclusive all together. But at the end of the day bungie is making a game for Xbox. [/quote] You just said 'be happy you get anything at all.' It is like you told a slave 'be happy you get food and shelter at all.' Or giving change to a homeless person and saying 'be thankful I gave you that quarter at all.' Both of those things would be considered horrible. That is no different in this situation.

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  • Edited by Tyger: 6/23/2014 5:57:33 PM
    The only thing people who choose to play on playstation get that people who choose to play on Xbox don't get was the alpha. Everything else is timed. People should learn to live with the choices they make. Some people chose to buy a Microsoft console. Bungie is a 3rd party studio now. Xbox players still get destiny, they still get everything except the alpha. If you have other reasons to play exclusively on Xbox, that isn't bungie's fault. You haven't been betrayed. You've made a choice. You say you can't leave Xbox because of your friends. I got together with my friends and said "hey we should get playstations this gen" and most agreed. Even many people on b.net got playstations when they've been Xbox fans. Hell some people have both.

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  • [quote]Hell some people have both.[/quote] Like me! Long time Xbox player, too many gamertag changes though... But I have a PS4 along with an Xbox One because of the fact that my friends are split. [spoiler]Hell I bought some of them their PS4s for birthdays...[/spoiler]

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  • [quote]The only thing people who choose to play on playstation get that people who choose to play on Xbox don't get was the alpha. Everything else is timed.[/quote]For a year. And the duration isn't the point. It's the principle tied into the historical significant of the event. You saying 'it would be OK to be mad if it were permanent but since it is not you should no be mad' throws dung in the face of all the logic- asserting that the logic magically does not apply once it is on one side of your completely arbitrary line. If the exclusives were 70 years exclusive but still called timed, should we not be mad? 60 years? 20? What is the line? The line is completely arbitrary- according to you. But here's the thing... you don't get to decide how we feel. And you don't get to set the line. And the line itself is not even the concerning part. [quote] People should learn to live with the choices they make. Some people chose to buy a Microsoft console. Bungie is a 3rd party studio now. Xbox players still get destiny, they still get everything except the alpha. [/quote]I'm living with the choice I made. I don't regret it at all. If I did, I would get rid of my Xbox and buy a Playstation. Clearly I did not do that, so clearly I am 'living my my choices I make.' [quote]If you have other reasons to play exclusively on Xbox, that isn't bungie's fault.[/quote]I went very in depth as to how Bungie was a community focused developer and created a fanbase around them. I talked about it for pages and pages. By stating that, you are ignoring everything that has been said thus far in order to defend your own per-conceptions. And that's not cool. [quote] You haven't been betrayed. You've made a choice. [/quote]I both made a choice and was betrayed. [quote] You say you can't leave Xbox because of your friends. [/quote]There's more to it than that. I went in depth into it. You seem to be losing the continuity of the discussion. :/

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  • Edited by Tyger: 6/23/2014 6:19:18 PM
    The point is that you and much the Xbox fanbase are upset with bungie over a decision that you made, not them. And you've completely blown the timed exclusivity out of proportion. 1 year and 70 years are very different for a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the content available in the full game, that you can happily play on your Xbox. You're right that I can't choose how people feel, but I can point out that it's rediculous.

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  • [quote]The point is that you and much the Xbox fanbase are upset with bungie over a decision that you made, not them.[/quote]The point is that myself and much of the older [i]Bungie[/i] fanbase are upset with Bungie over a decision that they made to abandon the core pillar of community orientation.

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  • I've been a bungie fan for over a decade. Posting in a forum doesn't magically make you more of a fan. Many other old members, including all most all of the ninjas, and people who've been on the forums just as long as you have no problem with with the deal with Sony.

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  • [quote]I've been a bungie fan for over a decade. Posting in a forum doesn't magically make you more of a fan.[/quote]It is not about 'how much of a fan you are.' It is about Bungie's community focus and your involvement in the community. [quote] Many other old members, including all most all of the ninjas, and people who've been on the forums just as long as you have no problem with with the deal with Sony.[/quote]Many people switched to Playstation 4. And good for them- I hope they enjoy it. That does not suddenly mean they are paying more attention to their Xbox fanbase, however.

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  • Edited by Sacxess: 6/23/2014 9:59:00 AM
    Total agree with you but MS-Loyalists akting like they are Bungie-Loyalist, and do so as Bungie came out with there PS Deal after they bought a Xbox. Guys you knew Destiny will have exlusives on PS before the Xbox launch. So like you Tyger i pack my package and settle down on PS, cause i want to stay with Bungie and there awesome games. Edit: i realy get it why somebody dont want to change the system and thats fine too. but than stop bitching around you can't have everythink in life, make a decision and then adhere to it!

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  • This thread shouldn't even be required. It is surprising to know that so many people do not understand the basics of competitive commerce.

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  • Edited by Stormy: 6/22/2014 4:16:54 PM
    [quote]What Xbox users ARE asking for is that everybody be given the SAME content.[/quote] - PS 'exclusive content' is *timed*. Bungie is a company. Companies exist to acquire wealth, not thrive off of fun. True, without a fan base Bungie would be nothing, but other dev's fall in the same hole. Tough love, right? Deal with it. acquisition of wealth is a companies #1 goal, game developers don't get rich off of your fun, they get rich off of your $. This topic pisses me off so much, Jesus... go read a book on basic marketing and you would understand this. Gaming is a competitive industry, and if Bungie had the opportunity to get more $ from Sony for this timed exclusive content, then what do you think Bungie is going to do? "awww, we can't 'betray' our Xbox fan base!" No, they say "Sweet, more money to make our great game for EVERYONE to enjoy!" I'm really sick of this content war, stop being immature and grow up, specifically the retarded PS and XB users who are freaking at each other over something they can't change and will not change because a business doesn't have the community at #1 on its priority list.

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  • Seriously thank you, it's not like it's all exclusive to the PS4&3. They instead want to rage over content that won't even matter at the end of the day.

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  • No problem! I know right? its not hard to understand lol.

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  • The problem really is them not being willing to find out about the game and just think it's Halo 5. They expect a campaign mode and multiplayer mode and I can understand why since most of them probably don't know how a MMO functions.

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  • Word.

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  • [quote]Bungie is a company. Companies exist to acquire wealth, not thrive off of fun. True, without a fan base Bungie would be nothing, but other dev's fall in the same hole. Tough love, right? Deal with it. acquisition of wealth is a companies #1 goal, game developers don't get rich off of your fun, they get rich off of your $.[/quote] [quote]This video goes on to talk about how it is a good business decision. And from a money standpoint, it is... for Sony. And Activision. Not Bungie. And I don't understand how anybody could possibly say 'because it made them more money as a business decision, it is not a betrayal.' Excuse me? That's absolutely idiotic to say! Since when does profit determine morality? I'll tell you when: Since never.[/quote] [quote]stop being immature and grow up, specifically the retarded PS and XB users who are freaking at each other over something they can't change and will not change because a business doesn't have the community at #1 on its priority list.[/quote]Two things. First, immature? I am the one providing rational, logical thought. You are the one calling me retarded. I would appreciate it if you could show a little class, and not be so rude to me. Secondly. Bungie WAS a community oriented company. That was pretty literally my entire point, which apparently you chose to disregard. If you would like to see the issue in more depth, you can either read my replies in this thread, or see them in a more concise way [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post?id=62621067]here[/url].

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  • Yeah so they totally stopped listening to the community and caring what they think about the development of the game. They totally didn't listen to user feedback to help create a better product. Can you even hear yourself?

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  • [quote]Yeah so they totally stopped listening to the community and caring what they think about the development of the game. They totally didn't listen to user feedback to help create a better product.[/quote]Whose feedback? It certainly wasn't mine. Was it people in the new community and those that migrated? Why, I believe it is. Wait, what? Does that only emphasize my entire point? Is it really possible you just made my post more valid? Why, thank you!

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