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originally posted in: This is what a Christian looks like
3/26/2014 3:27:05 AM
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I made this post in another thread, but I feel that it has relevance in this thread as well. [quote]I'm aware that many Christians set horrible examples for Christianity and as a result, deter many from seeking God. Honestly, we Christians are our own worst enemy because of the responsibility placed upon us to represent Christ. Many Christians can be overzealous, but don't let these people be the reason you reject the Lord. The bible warns us of such teachings from "so-called" Christians. Our responsibility: [quote]Ephesians 5:1-2 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. [/quote] What it says about Christians who lead astray: [quote]Jeremiah 23:1 "Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!" declares the LORD.[/quote] [quote]Romans 16:17-18 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. [/quote] How to recognize a bad preacher: [quote]Matthew 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? [/quote] A commentary of Galatians 5:7-12 explained this best: [quote]When Paul had preached the gospel, the Galatians heard the voice of God calling them through Paul (1:6). But when the false teachers teach, all that can be heard is flattery, boastfulness and empty rhetoric. They are skillful orators. No doubt they claim to be giving God's message backed by Scripture. But all one can hear through their strident voices is a harsh repetition of the demands of the law. What a contrast to "the one who called you by the grace of Christ" (1:6) and the God who "called me by his grace" (1:15). Their message is all about the works of the law, not about God's work of grace in Christ. So obviously their persuasion does not come from God, who always calls by his grace.[/quote] Do not misinterpret my intentions, I'm not trying to throw scripture at you. However, everything a Christian believes regarding God, Christ and the Spirit, comes from scriptural evidence. I'm just sharing with you what I know.[/quote]
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  • Amen, brother!

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  • Wow nice man! U know your bible! I'm a Christian to.

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  • [quote]Jeremiah[/quote] ALL PRAISE THE SECOND COMING OF KERBAL!

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  • Very well said my friend.

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  • Wow you can preach it man, coming from another Christian great job spreading the true meaning of the bible. It is true that Christians are Christians because we are imperfect and needs saving. Sometimes people think Christian and believe that they should be perfect and therefore are disappointed We are human

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  • Wow, this is a very true post, and i'm Cristian.

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  • Why are all these verses cherry-picked? Not even the full passages are used.

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  • Edited by Jay: 3/26/2014 4:39:57 PM
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    Because those parts are the only relevant bits that can be applied to this post? I mean, if you'd like us to copy and paste the whole bible in here, I'm sure we could do that.

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  • And here in ;lies the issue with the bible, it can be cherry picked, and interpreted to fit your agenda. Well not just the bible.

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  • Edited by Predator5791: 3/26/2014 7:34:09 PM
    So long as a verse is not being pulled out of context, and a misinterpretation isn't being made, the purpose of Bible verses within chapters are so that we may quote scripture to answer any concern that someone may have. If someone had a simple question, such as "why is there sin?", I'd quote relevant scripture from numerous areas of the book of Genesis, rather than throw the entire book at someone or expect them to read an entire chapter. There is no "agenda", just truth. Those with their own agenda are called false teachers (going back to where I quoted Galatians), and scripture warns us of them.

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  • Edited by Capiton Render: 3/26/2014 8:01:59 PM
    Thats the issue, do you take verses literally, or interpret them? If they arent literal, then they are false, as any interpretation can be correct, depending ont he person interpreting it. You cant say truth and interpretation in the same sentence with any validity.

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  • Edited by Predator5791: 3/27/2014 8:39:48 PM
    In your picture, the person took a verse from the Old Testament (The Old Law), that was necessary before the coming of Christ. That person clearly has very little biblical knowledge, as Christ's coming gave us The New Testament, which does not condone such behavior. [quote]Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone[/quote] Three important things to consider when quoting verses are context, interpretation, and consideration for what the Bible declares as a whole. The third comes with time and studying. So it'd be unwise to preach if little studying has been done. There is only one universal truth. You ask a very common question, "how do we interpret the bible?", in other words, how do we know [b]exactly[/b] what is true? Christ himself answered this question; we are aided by the holy spirit (a gift, a helper), to interpret spiritual truths. Those who don't read in the spirit, will not find truth. Before the passing of Jesus, something that Jesus foresaw yet his disciples couldn't grasp, he spoke about the Holy Spirit.[quote]John 16:12 5-15 “I did not say these things to you from the beginning, because I was with you. But now I am going to him who sent me, and none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.[/quote] Right before Christ ascended to heaven, he was asked: [quote]“Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”[/quote]Through the holy spirit, his apostles were gifted with abilities that allowed them to spread the gospel. Obviously, during these times the Bible was yet to be completed, so miracles were abound as a testament to the existence of God. The Apostles that spread the Gospel didn't have the internet, so spreading the Gospel meant traveling, and traveling meant running into foreigners who spoke foreign languages. There were many obstacles to overcome, and it was done through the Holy Spirit, which granted them the power to perform miracles (such as healing), the gift of tongues (speaking different languages), speaking wisdom that could not have come without the Spirit's presence dwelling within that person, and more. Today, the spirit allows us to interpret the Bible. Without the spirit, nobody can come to Christ. [quote]Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.[/quote] The bible says that just as no man can know another man's thoughts except that own man's spirit, likewise, nobody can understand God without the spirit of God. So this, is how we may understand his teachings, his commandments, his grace, his wrath and his mercy. [quote]1 Corinthians 2: 9-13 But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”— these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.[/quote]Those who don't read in the spirit, such as skeptical atheists, are referred to in this passage as the natural man: "[i]The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ."[/i] So, as to not be led astray, read in the spirit, and beware of false teachers.

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  • Look, i respect your dedication, and your [b]interpretation[/b] of verse, but you must still face the fact, that the bible is heavily interpreted. Thats a major issue, as people can interpret it how they want, and no interpretation can be proven correct. Who isnt to say your god didnt mean for it to be read the way the WBC reads it?

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  • [quote]Who isnt to say your god didnt mean for it to be read the way the WBC reads it?[/quote]Scriptural evidence, much of which I have presented to you.

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  • Edited by Capiton Render: 3/27/2014 11:27:39 AM
    The bible is a fictional account, therefore it isnt evidence. Much like creationism is not a science, just because someone calls it science. What im getting at, is your belief is an opinion, a choice to believe, its your choice to interpret it that way. Its why there are several different iterations of the torah, bible, quran. Its why the Vatican changes its views on laws and how to [b]interpret[/b] the bible. The bible was written by men, not god. The bible has been amended and interpreted by men, not god. If there is a god, i would never take a mans word for what he wants or intends, nor certainly, if the bible was written by god, would i let mens interpretations determine what the bible means.

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  • Now you are getting into the whole belief aspect of it whether or not the bible is true and if it was made by men or God giving his words to men. All I can say to you is that if we are holding in this conversation that God is true (which I believe) then it is entirely possible for him to be and do anything and for him to tell men of God to write his words out. If you are not believing or holding a suspension of disbelief that God is true then there should be no reason for you to be talking about this since nothing we can say can have the slightest effect (the bible was never as you say amended, the Dead Sea scrolls are a good example because they show that the bible is almost exactly the same as the modern day bible even after all the translations)

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  • You haven't read it have you? It is in black and white. There is no wiggle room if you read it correctly. There is no interpretation unless man twist it for his own purpose. If you ever read the New Testament it is to perfectly written to be just a book written by men

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  • Actually, i have read it, ive gone through confirmation and was a youth group leader. If its black and white, and meant to be taken literally, this means there is no room for interpretation. If there is not room for interpretation, the the newer version are falsifications of gods word, since they are interpretations. So, is the bible meant to be taken literally, or to be interpreted?

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  • Well that's a good question? I would say literally. The thing is we are all unique beings with our own experiences

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  • You just said the bible is black and white, which is a term for literal, no interpretation. So which is it?

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  • I just said it I'm not sure what else you want me to put. It's literal but as humans we are often not. I guess it would be best to say it is interpreted by us and how we choose to use this knowledge but the Bible is pure truth. It is we who skew it

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  • >its literal >but we interpret it /facepalm

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  • There are multiple theories on this if you take indepth Christian studies My personal belief is that God put what was in there and that it is all true but like the parables it is meant to mean something to each person. The only person who can tell you what the bibles message is... You It is true but we are meant to interpret different things in it. Not laws of course, or thing set in stone but the stories and the experiences of the different people in the bible It has a different message for everyone and reading and actual diving deeply into yourself and the bible can be a transformative experience.

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  • Ok I'll use small words Bible is literal and there is no error in it as far as the New Testament is concerned. People in general are idiots so they "interpret it" instead of taking it for an exact truth. Also since we are not perfect and all our lives are different our perception of what we read can be wrong and therefore interpreted. I mean does anyone really think God hates gay people. No people do.

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