Well if you consider dirt and grass to be engineering then I feel bad for you. Besides I said it the last thread about flooding that nobody gives a crap about the south flooding, except of course those down south. (I am in the North West and like watching those stuck up bastards swim, that's what you get from creating a North-south divide) Again anybody who thinks I am an American basher is blissfully ignorant of everything else I say as long as suits their perception of me.