[quote]No need to mute them ... by the time they get the xbox copy out the true beta will have finished. And best part, is it also means the bugs get fixed on Playstation first - and then released to PS ahead of xbox (whilst those ungrateful xbox gamers suffer)[/quote] See, now this is why the forums are so bad these days. PS is getting early access because they're going to need it. There are going to be more bugs on the PS Beta than there are on the Xbox Beta since Bungie has been working on Xbox games for 10 years. This will ensure that the final game for both consoles goes off without a hitch. The problem is that people see early Beta content as this huge thing to get worked up over when it isn't. Now if it was the actual game, then that would be something to actually be able to brag about.

[quote]There are going to be more bugs on the PS Beta than there are on the Xbox Beta since Bungie has been working on Xbox games for 10 years.[/quote]wow, so the xbox-one has been around for 10 years? Durango is a new beast, and new servers ... and according to bungie it is the server load that is key to their testing. So guess we are back to "[i]who cares if it works as well on the xbox[/i]" result. [quote]The problem is that people see early Beta content as this huge thing to get worked up over when it isn't.[/quote]Unless you paid out money on a pre-order to get access ... only then to find out that you are getting short changed in play time just because you have an xbox. Did they point this out on the registrations ... No ... wonder why? And then there is still the hypocrisy of bungies claim towards the xbox community in the closing credits of Reach. Why put such a load of bullsh*t into the credits when on their very first opportunity they don't even try to live up to it ... not even a single point of recognition. Why not promote the early beta on one console and then the extra play on the other - share the love about ... nope, 100% case of giving the bird to xbox (and its owners as a consequence).

[quote]wow, so the xbox-one has been around for 10 years?[/quote] By my statement I was meaning that they'll have to focus on the 2 new playstation platforms then later on with the xbox platforms, they'll mainly have to focus on the new X1 than the 360. [quote]Durango is a new beast, and new servers ... and according to bungie it is the server load that is key to their testing.[/quote] Link? I haven't read this yet, unless I zoned out. [quote]]Unless you paid out money on a pre-order to get access ... only then to find out that you are getting short changed in play time just because you have an xbox.[/quote] If anyone paid for a Beta code without just getting one from a pre-order then yes, they're stupid for doing so in the first place. Getting a beta code from a pre-order is pretty much getting a beta code for free, you aren't paying extra for beta. [quote]And then there is still the hypocrisy of bungies claim towards the xbox community in the closing credits of Reach. Why put such a load of bullsh*t into the credits when on their very first opportunity they don't even try to live up to it ... not even a single point of recognition. Why not promote the early beta on one console and then the extra play on the other - share the love about ... nope, 100% case of giving the bird to xbox (and its owners as a consequence).[/quote] Reach was a game of Bungie and Microsoft, Destiny is a game of Bungie and Activision. Different partner, different contract. Since It's obvious you aren't an xbox gamer, you wouldn't know how much of a blessing it actually is. If anything, Bungie is giving the bird to the sad complaining babies on Xbox that can't stand the thought of sharing with PS. Bungie, in my opinion, has successfully rid the Xbox versions of Destiny from some pathetic people.

[quote]they'll mainly have to focus on the new X1 than the 360.[/quote]Why? New engine built from the ground up. The X1 is as foreign of the PS4, and more so than either the PS3 or 360. X1 is a new platform, new comm model ... and yet it is being ignored. Then there is the difference of xbl over psn ... all being ignored. [quote]Link? I haven't read this yet, unless I zoned out.[/quote][url=http://www.joystiq.com/2013/11/02/bungie-destiny-beta-needs-a-million-gamers-crashing-against-it/]Their target, a million players[/url] - but let just ignore those volunteer from the xbox pool ... and if we don't get enough - meh. [quote]If anyone paid for a Beta code without just getting one from a pre-order then yes, they're stupid for doing so in the first place.[/quote]Bungie marketed the pre-order as a way of getting early access through the beta ... a total package justifying giving them the cash advance. And now we are told that this total value is worth less if you are on the xbox platform ... and not just now, but into the future, with each release, each DLC pack, each bug fix. [quote]Reach was a game of Bungie and Microsoft, Destiny is a game of Bungie and Activision. Different partner, different contract.[/quote]But the level of butthurt in bungie (towards Microsoft) was obvious enough to Activision for them include a [url=http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-05-22-bungies-lucrative-contract-with-activision-is-revealed]suicide clause[/url] within the new contract to prevent bungie from undertaking a complete and obvious destruction of the final halo game, to quote; "[i]Activision also had the right to cancel the agreement if Halo: Reach (then under development by Bungie for Microsoft) failed to reach an 80 score on gamerankings.com or metacritic.com and sell at least 6 million units in the first six months[/i]". Ask yourself, why would Activision protect a rival publisher - other than to prevent the developer destorying the game, their own reputation and the backlash against the new joint venture?? [quote]Since It's obvious you aren't an xbox gamer, you wouldn't know how much of a blessing it actually is. If anything, Bungie is giving the bird to the sad complaining babies[/quote] lol - [i]obvious[/i] how? Actually have both, and also enjoy the PC platform. And for the record I out my beta code off Activision without pre-order, but have not redeemed it yet as I would go the new console and have not decided which to go with. The shorter beta period - meh. What does irk me though is bungies hypocrisy in this matter, especially in light of the full bullsh*t they put into the closing credits of Reach. Why lie? And why not even the attempt at a basic explanation (even if it is another lie)?

[quote][url=http://www.joystiq.com/2013/11/02/bungie-destiny-beta-needs-a-million-gamers-crashing-against-it/]Their target, a million players[/url] - but let just ignore those volunteer from the xbox pool ... and if we don't get enough - meh.[/quote] YES! my assumption was right! somewhere in these forums I suggested beta could be helping the game not turn out like GTA Online. [quote]Bungie marketed the pre-order as a way of getting early access through the beta ... a total package justifying giving them the cash advance. And now we are told that this total value is worth less if you are on the xbox platform ... and not just now, but into the future, with each release, each DLC pack, each bug fix.[/quote] See, I just don't see it in this way, I see it as holding a spot for a game and the Beta is like an extra thing. Hopefully Microsoft will get their act together because quite frankly in my opinion, they've been off the ball since their first E3 view. [quote]But the level of butthurt in bungie (towards Microsoft) was obvious enough to Activision for them include a [url=http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-05-22-bungies-lucrative-contract-with-activision-is-revealed]suicide clause[/url] within the new contract to prevent bungie from undertaking a complete and obvious destruction of the final halo game, to quote; "[i]Activision also had the right to cancel the agreement if Halo: Reach (then under development by Bungie for Microsoft) failed to reach an 80 score on gamerankings.com or metacritic.com and sell at least 6 million units in the first six months[/i]". Ask yourself, why would Activision protect a rival publisher - other than to prevent the developer destorying the game, their own reputation and the backlash against the new joint venture??[/quote] I don't understand, are you saying Activision could cancel Bungie's and Microsofts contract if Reach was bad? [quote]lol - [i]obvious[/i] how? Actually have both, and also enjoy the PC platform. And for the record I out my beta code off Activision without pre-order, but have not redeemed it yet as I would go the new console and have not decided which to go with.[/quote] In a later comment against myself I quoted that line and said "Strike that" since I figured you must have played xbox to know the ending of reach. [quote]The shorter beta period - meh.[/quote] same here. [quote]What does irk me though is bungies hypocrisy in this matter, especially in light of the full bullsh*t they put into the closing credits of Reach. Why lie? And why not even the attempt at a basic explanation (even if it is another lie)?[/quote] I need another link to this, it's been so long from playing reach that I don't remember the end credits.

[quote]YES! my assumption was right! somewhere in these forums I suggested beta could be helping the game not turn out like GTA Online.[/quote]lol ... you mean a record breaking success which dominates the #1 chart position ?? I love the way you avoid the original point, avoid the lack of xbox gamer inclusion ... but yet manage to it from "[i]I haven't read this yet, unless I zoned out[/i]" into "[i]ES! my assumption[/i]" ... with that attitude and ability are you sure you don't work for bungie?? [quote]See, I just don't see it in this way, I see it as holding a spot for a game and the Beta is like an extra thing.[/quote]I agree it is another of bungies lies ... jst like the Reach beta being only available through ODST ... a marketing trick to get gamers to put their money up (and into bungies bank accounts). And now xbox gamers are not going to get their full value - on the beta of the remainder of the life of the product. Again - bungie could have shared out the "early" status between the two consoles - but no. [quote]Hopefully Microsoft will get their act together because quite frankly in my opinion, they've been off the ball since their first E3 view.[/quote]lol - so to defend an bungie/activision/sony decision YOU are now going to blame Microsoft ... honestly ?? Will take that as some kinda of stupid joke. Plus lets not rely on [b]your opinion[/b], look at how the markets have judged sony and activision in their share prices and sony's return on value with their console ... or is this another of your "[i]zoned out[/i]" moments? [quote]I don't understand, are you saying Activision could cancel Bungie's and Microsofts contract if Reach was bad?[/quote]Not me saying it, Activision put it in the contract (shame you didn't read the link, not the links within - disappointing ... also notice you lack of supporting links ... lazy??). But to dumb it down - Activision put a clause in their contract with bungie which forces bungie to do a half decent job on Reach (which they were still completing at the time). Activision did this not to protect Microsoft, but knowning how butthurt bungie was towards Microsoft and the very real chance that bungie would tank the game as payback ... and in doing so damage their rep and future releases. This level of butthurt was obvious to Activision ... and now it is being demonstrated against the xbox platform (and its owners as a consequence). [quote]lIn a later comment against myself I quoted that line and said "Strike that" since I figured you must have played xbox to know the ending of reach.[/quote]And yet could not edit out your original comment prior to hitting that "post" button ?!? Either lazy or a deliberate troll attempt. [quote]I need another link to this, it's been so long from playing reach that I don't remember the end credits.[quote]lol ... so you want me to link to the ending cut scene of Reach??? And after [b]all those links you provided[/b] ... but perhaps you can play that last scene together. Dont go past the line "[i]We’ll see you starside[/i]" as that is basically the closing statement (as a shallow marketing plug into their next title). And yes, we are still all awaiting YOUR link to how bungie is providing extra content/elements to the xbox base ? Come on, don't be lazy, prove [b]YOUR [/b]claim rather than continually demand it of others.

Everything you and godlike said about PSN and potential Playstation bugs is based on idle speculation. The [i]Early-Access[/i] is just a contractual "perk" that Sony gamers will receive. It is safe to assume that Bungie is already testing Destiny internally on both networks and running projections. However, yes, the beta will be utilized to get real-world stats and a real-world impression on how the game runs on PSN and XBL. Your last paragraph his right on the money. It's no big deal. People are overreacting and the forum trolls are bathing in it.

I see a perk as something that'll last, such as the 1 hour extra content for PS players.

Do you mean that literally or figuratively? There is no confirmed hour-extra content for Destiny.

figuratively, I was using an example from AC: Black Flag