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7/20/2013 8:03:22 AM
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Same way religion deals with science... Now that I think about it main idea about how the universe was created was the big bang but whats saying the "lord" didn't cause big bang.
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Let's not pretend that the Big Bang and the existence of God are equal.
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It's an incredibly illogical and inefficient way for an omnipotent being to create a Universe.
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I'm not sure what you're comparing that against, or even what amount of our own "logic" could even be applied to such a judgement. Have you created Universes?
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God, by its own definition, must be a logical being. Therefore the logic of the universe can be applied to form judgements.
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Right but... we don't even begin to understand the logic necessary to make such a judgement. We don't even know exactly how the Universe was formed (or even that it was). I just think it's ridiculous to make statements about whether or not the "cause" could have intentions, when we understand next to nothing about the "effect." Maybe there's something you know about stellar dynamics that I don't, but what you're saying seems as logical to me as applying science to religion.
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It's difficult to explain what I'm trying to say but I'll go through it modally. >Omnipotent means able to do anything logically possibly. >The idea of this axiomatically involves some form of boundary. >Since god is only omnipotent, not all powerful, he cannot pass the boundaries of logic. >Hence, god is logical. Logic is understood well enough to draw the conclusion that, if the purpose of the Universe was for god to make humans develop, the Universe was created very inefficiently.
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[quote]>Omnipotent means able to do anything logically possibly.[/quote] No, omnipotent means able to do anything regardless of if it's logical or possible.
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That's incorrect. Things which aren't logically possible are impossible, and as I have demonstrated, god is a logical entity. It cannot break its own boundaries.
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Edited by Lord Keksworth: 7/20/2013 7:04:46 PMJust because it's not logically possible for us doesn't mean it's not logically possible for God.
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You're completely ignoring what I'm saying.
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Your logic is ass-backwards.
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No, you're just stupid.
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No, you just don't know what you're talking about. If there is a God, and He did all that was stated in the Bible, then yeah, He is pretty much all-powerful. Flooding the entire Earth is not logically possible, nor is turning a woman into a pillar of salt, nor is resurrecting His Son after His death. And [i]logically[/i] speaking, if He's all-powerful, logic is not a restriction to Him. He'd have no restrictions.
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Except the universe wasn't created only for Humans. The Vatican acknowledged the possibility of alien life, so the universe isn't "designed for humans".
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Okay, I didn't realize you were arguing against the specific statement that "the universe was made for humans to develop." I thought you were saying it was possible to make a logic-based argument against "the universe was created so that the universe would exist," which I'm sure you can see is significantly more outlandish.
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Nothing. Nothing says he did either, so this is -blam!-ing pointless.
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Exactamundo!
