[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twisted Balls [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twisted Balls [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] roman arrow12 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] crispychicken49 If you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.[/quote] I've never understood this. Of course only outlaws would have guns. In order to own a gun, you would have to break the law, making you an outlaw.[/quote] He pretty much ignores the fact that many European countries make guns illegal, and they hardly have the shooting problems we do. [/quote] No, but they have [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/14000-knife-victims-a-year-860857.html]Knife Crime[/url] [/quote] Yeah I know, but it's a lot harder to commit a massacre with a knife. Just imagine a guy running around shanking people. He wouldnt get too far. And I could better defend myself against a knife. [/quote]i dont know if you know this but [quote]Hungerford massacre Main article: Hungerford massacre In 1987, 27-year-old Michael Ryan, armed with two semi-automatic rifles (a Type 56 sporter, and an M1 carbine), and a Beretta 92 pistol, dressed in combat fatigues and proceeded around the town of Hungerford killing 16 people, wounding fifteen and shooting himself, in what became known as the Hungerford massacre. In the aftermath, the Conservative government passed the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988.[43] This confined semi-automatic and pump-action centre-fire rifles, military weapons firing explosive ammunition, short shotguns that had magazines, and both elevated pump-action and self-loading rifles to the Prohibited category.[44] Registration and secure storage of shotguns held on Shotgun Certificates became required, and shotguns with more than a 2+1 capacity came to need a Firearm Certificate. The law also introduced new restrictions on shotguns. Rifles in .22 rimfire and semi-automatic pistols were unaffected. [edit]Dunblane massacre Main article: Dunblane massacre On 13 March 1996, Thomas Hamilton, aged 43, a former scout leader who had been ousted by The Scout Association five years previously, shot dead sixteen young children and their teacher, Gweneth Mayor, in Dunblane Primary School's gymnasium with two Browning Hi-Power 9 mm pistols and two S&W .357 Magnum revolvers. He then shot himself. There is a memorial to the seventeen victims in the local cemetery and a cenotaph in the cathedral. The funds raised in the aftermath of the tragedy have been used to build a new community centre for the town. It was later shown that the gun controls in place at the time were adequate, but failures by the police to properly apply these controls allowed the tragedy.[45] [edit]Cumbria shootings Main article: Cumbria shootings On 2 June 2010, Derek Bird, a 52 year old taxi driver, shot and killed 12 people and injured 11 others while driving through Cumbria. He then shot himself. A licensed firearms holder, Bird's weapons were a 12 gauge double-barreled shotgun and CZ 452-2E ZKM .22-calibre bolt-acton rifle.[/quote] you really wrong