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3/14/2013 6:24:35 PM
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Where's your fedora in the picture?
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eww no.
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Isn't that illegal?
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Yes, it is illegal for a secular government to print religious rhetoric on its currency.
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...no, it actually isn't. They don't give a definition of God so you can interpret it as you desire. If you want it to be a synonym with Universe, then that is your choice. I'm atheist btw.
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Edited by die wily: 7/29/2013 4:57:20 PM"God" is absolutely not a synonym with "the universe." Its widespread adoption was a reaction to the secular Soviet Union. It's religious rhetoric and wholly worse than the truly secular motto E Pluribus Unum; "Out of many, One."
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"In God We Trust" is not advocating religion, it's in memory of one of the regiments during the Civil War.
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A regiment that, I assume, was religious. Anyway, the Civil War era usage isn't really relevant; the phrase's usage is older than the Civil War anyway. It was adopted as the official motto in 1956, during the Cold War.
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It is relevant, it was the origins of the term.
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No, what's relevant is the intent behind the adoption. And no, it wasn't the origin of the term; it originated in the war of 1812, in one of the way-too-many verses of The Star Spangled Banner. And no, it isn't relevant because the motto *is still religious in nature.*
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[quote]And no, it isn't relevant because the motto *is still religious in nature.* [/quote] But the point of adding the motto wasn't religious in nature. The point in memory of that regiment. In both instances of the war of 1812 and the civil war, it was recited by the soldiers, therefore you're not arguing against Religion over the motto, you're arguing against the history of those two events. Last time I checked, it's not unconstitutional for the government to advocate points of history. Why don't we just remove sections of history textbooks that goes over the pilgrims? That could be advocating religion even though it was a major point of our history. "But muh cold war!" Which is now a part of our history, and we can keep it there as such. Try again, there's nothing unconstitutional about the motto or the government supporting it.
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Edited by die wily: 7/29/2013 5:33:27 PM[quote]. The point in memory of that regiment.[/quote]Such a fond memory of a religious regiment just happened to get sparked decades and decades after the fact, when we were at war with an explicitly Atheistic nation? So fond was this random resparked memory, that we rewrote our motto? The Cold War obviously had an influence on the decision. [quote]Last time I checked, it's not unconstitutional for the government to advocate points of history. Why don't we just remove sections of history textbooks that goes over the pilgrims? That could be advocating religion even though it was a major point of our history[/quote]Again, your "rewrite history" analogy doesn't hold water. I'm not saying that we should rewrite or unwrite history. I'm saying that we shouldn't have a religious national motto because we're a secular nation. "In God We Trust" itself does a shitty job of remembering the regiment or the actual reasons why the Civil War was fought, and does an excellent job of encouraging anti-secularism.
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[quote]"In God We Trust" itself does a shitty job of remembering the regiment or the actual reasons why the Civil War was fought, and does an excellent job of encouraging anti-secularism. [/quote] It's only shitty because no one bothers to research it, maybe if it was taught to people, it wouldn't be such a shitty way of remembering them.
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No, it's shitty because it obviously doesn't, in and of itself, evoke a memory of the Civil War or why it was fought. Unless you're going to put an asterisk on it saying "In memory for X Regiment, 186X", the motto is religious. It was used by religious people. The much older and far more sweeping motto "E Pluribus Unum" is far more direct and secular and in-keeping with the actual stated goals of the U.S. government. And it's in Latin! How could I be anti-education if the motto I like is in a damn dead language that only a educated minority would understand?
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16edgy35me
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Lol nice. Where can I get one?
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Google? lol i dont remember.
