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3/13/2013 5:26:42 PM
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Lawsuit to remove "In God We Trust" from currency

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/in-god-we-trust-lawsuit_n_2867227.html]Article[/url] [quote]The Freedom From Religion Foundation mounted a lawsuit against the U.S. Treasury Department and other government officials this week, claiming that they are discriminating against nonbelievers by including the phrase "In God We Trust" on the nation's currency. "Our government is prohibited from endorsing one religion over another but also prohibited from endorsing religion over nonreligion. The placement of a monotheistic ideal on our nation's currency violates this stricture and is therefore unconstitutional," FFRF Co-President Dan Barker said in a statement. Along with 19 other plaintiffs, the FFRF argues in the lawsuit that they "are forced to proselytize -- by an Act of Congress -- for a deity they don't believe in whenever they handle money."[/quote] I fully agree with this lawsuit. I think that it's pretty clear that printing "In God We Trust" on money violates the idea of separation of church and state. A secular entity should not be spreading the idea of trust in a deity (any deity), especially not through something that everyone has to use. This idea is not anti-religious. It is the same principle as to why I don't learn about human anatomy in my Shakespeare class. It's not that there's anything wrong with learning about anatomy, that class just isn't the time or place for it. Something printed by the government is not the place to declare that "we" (whoever that refers to) "trust in" a deity, when that is not true in many cases.

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  • You people are so pathetic. Oh, I'm going to get all pissy over four little words typed on a piece of paper! Stop being a whiny bitch. I couldn't care less wether it was removed or they started printing something like, "In atheism/science we trust".

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    • People are retarded /everything

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    • Seems such a petty feud. On the other hand, could save some money on printing ink...

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    • [quote]I think that it's pretty clear that printing "In God We Trust" on money violates the idea of separation of church and state.[/quote]

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    • It's a good thing that they're getting rid of it, but that doens't mean I would have ever really gotten worked up about it if I was American...

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    • Jesus did some jackass look at the dollar and say ''oh hey that ain't fair I better take this to court!'' My goodness where are the real atheists that didn't care. They were just people who accepted how the world was and saw life in their own way, their own views without worrying about how society was. As the years come by people just bitch more and more about ''their rights'' and their ''1st world problems'' and are only expanding the [b]pussification[/b] of America and the world.

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      • [quote]his idea is not anti-religious.[/quote]lol yea right. You ever heard of freedom of speech and expression? Why don't you just go ahead and start laying the groundworks for censorship so this country can become even more of a shithole.

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        • I, too agree with this lawsuit. It's one more step to removing religion from power and I am fully for it. This is a step in the right direction. But no poll? You disappoint.

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        • Why would we remove that slogan from our money? Money is the true God in America. So I think it is rather appropriate that it is on our money.

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        • If there is no "In god we trust" in there, i want a "in allah we trust"

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        • [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_we_trust#History]"WAAAA RELIGION IS TRYING TO BRAINWASH US! IT WAS OBVIOUSLY PUT THERE BECAUSE CHRISTIANS WANT A FOOTHOLD AGAINST ATHEISTS! WAAAA!"[/url] [quote]The phrase appears to have originated in "The Star-Spangled Banner", written during the War of 1812. The fourth stanza includes the phrase, "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust.'" According to Ted Alexander, Chief Historian at Antietam National Battlefield, the contracted "In God We Trust" was first used by the 125th Pennsylvania Infantry as a battle cry on September 17, 1862, during the Battle of Antietam of the American Civil War. [/quote] You people are worse than those fools who think the "One nation under God" part of the pledge is also trying to force Religion down peoples throat. Soon you're going to want to teach U.S. History that the pilgrims had no religious significance. Get over yourselves, religious quotes are a part of U.S. history, there's no secret christian conspiracy that gathers under the full moon, plotting against your beliefs and trying to brainwash you and your children, but [i]God[/i] damn you sure wish there was just so you could have some ground in this stance against [u]history[/u].

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          • There seems to be a few of these every few years and, without fail, they never go anywhere.

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          • Most Idiotic lawsuit ever, and your a moron for supporting this trash.

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            • Except....DING DING DING, Currency is not federally regulated!

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              • Are you serious? Do people really get pissed at seeing words they disagree with on currency?

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              • Edited by Reaganite: 3/15/2013 1:52:48 AM
                Ok, here we go... First of all there is a giant misunderstanding of what separation of church and state really is. Separation of church and state was NOT established to keep the church out of government, it was to keep the government out of the church. This is why we see most lawsuits against religious insignia's in government failing, because there is no real basis for them, since we are entitled to freedom of speech. These religious insignia's are not an endorsement of religion, or an attempt to push/force that religion on someone else. [u]As a side note, a modern example of separation of church and state being used in its proper meaning are the current lawsuits against the U.S. government which is forcing PRIVATE religious institutions to provide contraceptives to its employees, even if it against their religion.[/u] Now as far as the constitution goes... I am a HUGE believer in the constitution, in fact I carry it everywhere in my pocket. However having "In God We Trust" on our money is in no way a violation of any article of the constitution. Also what does "In God We Trust" endorse? A particular religion? Or does it endorse the acknowledgement of the existence of a god, or higher being? I think it implies the latter. Now in my opinion there is nothing wrong with that, because our founding document, the Declaration of Independence, acknowledges MANY times the existence of a god or higher being. For example: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed[b][u] by their Creator[/u] [/b]with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of[b] [u]Nature's God[/u] [/b]entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation." These are just a couple examples. As you can see our nation was founded on many things, one of them is that we recognize the existence of a higher being. Now no where in the constitution does it say that the government of the United States cannot recognize the existence of a higher being; and as I've shown above our founding document recognized the existence of a higher being. Now as an atheist this might bother you, however it is not a violation of any laws or founding documents. You may still find it offensive, but there is nothing illegal going on here, which is why this case will fail. Also the recognition of the existence of a higher being does NOT endorse a particular religion, nor does it force U.S. citizens to agree with it's government on this (Beauty of freedom :D). All it does is, again, recognize the existence of a higher being. On another note I saw someone bring up the Pilgrims and try and use it as an example of why we SHOULDN'T have "In God We Trust" on our money...this is invalid in my opinion. The Pilgrims fled England to try and have religious freedom, not freedom from religion. They were being persecuted by the English government and the church of England and being told they were not aloud to have the beliefs that they had. This is not comparable AT ALL to the money issue. The government of the United States is NOT persecuting people who disagree by having "In God We Trust" on the money, nor is it saying "you cannot believe what you believe, you MUST agree with us!" If you honestly feel persecuted by the wording on the money... I just...I don't even know what to say to you... I'm sure you'll argue all of this, but I believe my argument is reasonable and holds firm in facts. Just my perspective though, you have the right to your opinion, it is America after all :) TLDR; I think the OP is wrong...

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                • Edited by Failure4Life: 9/5/2013 10:08:18 AM
                  I get that "In God We Trust" maybe press the line between church and state in some people's eyes. But I see the phrase more as symbol from the country's past rather than a religious sentiment. It's more a part of history than a religious belief now. I am an atheist if you were wondering, not all of us are ridiculous zealots.

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                • It's funny. The only place they could win is the US.

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                • Edited by Lord of Admirals: 7/29/2013 11:50:52 PM
                  As a believer in God, I agree with this 150%.

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                  • what would they do about all of the money already in circulation?

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                    • Meh, i'm okay with this.

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                    • Edited by BlackHeaven: 7/29/2013 11:36:54 PM
                      Secularists unite! 2013 years since Jesus was born? I don't think so. Join me Flood, let us start writing dates with 4,540,002,013!

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                    • Does anyone actually look at their money and get mad that it's there? I don't look at the money and examine every square inch of it...

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                    • You know, I'm pretty sure there are better uses of tax dollars than destroying all currency currently in place, and replacing it with a slightly different version.

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                      • Its being changed to "In Haruhi we trust"

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                      • Out of all the religious atrocities they could've picked, they decide to go with this nuance. It's literally one frivolous phrase on your notes. I bet half of you don't even notice it 99% of the time.

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