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Knives As Self Defense Weapons

Let me start by saying this. Knives are lethal weapons. to attack someone with a knife ( in any way ) is using lethal force. If you would not be justified in shooting an attacker. You would not be justified in using a knife. Let me continue by saying this. Knives are not good self defense weapons. Your chances of being seriously injured or killed while defending yourself are significantly higher if you have or are using a knife ( I have seen this multiple times in my career as an EMT ) Chances are there will be some people ( teenagers included ) on here, who's first weapon that they carry was or is a knife. Using knives in a real defense situation is a catch 22 The situation where you would even [b]Begin[/b] to entertain the idea of using your knife is such a severe, dangerous and life threatening situation. In such a situation you will not even begin to be able to use your knife effectively. Your adrenalin will be so high that you will not have proper control of your arms. Regardless of how much of a tough guy or gal you think you are. You simply will not be able to use a knife effectively in a real situation. It is not hard at all to take a knife away from someone, and can be done in 2 simple movements. Any training with a knife you may have had will be completely wiped blank by your adrenalin. This is the situation where you have a very high chance of death or serious injury. Your attacker could very easily be much larger, and much stronger than you. You won't be the only one experiencing an insane adrenalin surge either, Your attacker will also. This will make them considerably stronger and potentially more aggressive than they are normally capable of. Different people handle extreme stress situations better than others. You won't know how you react to such an extreme situation until you have been in one. ( most people haven't ) Worst case scenario is that you lose most of your facilities. And your attacker does not. However this may not be the case. It is almost impossible to tell how different people will react. But since these factors would often mean life or death. Its generally not something you want to learn at the last second. If your attacker is on drugs such as PCP or Meth. They very well could be experiencing no pain or fear. I have seen people flat out SPRINTING with everything they have. With a compound ankle fracture while on PCP. Violent people on PCP are the closest thing to zombies that we have. If you are a teenager with a knife. This is a more dangerous situation. Until about the age of 21 your prefrontal cortex has not developed fully. You are physically incapable of making the executive decisions that full grown adults are capable of. And quite frankly, you should not be carrying any kind of lethal weapon. You are simply not old enough, and not mature enough. ( regardless of how mature you think you actually are ) DUH, of course teenagers will have a higher self-idea of their maturity than they actually have. And then the other side of the catch 22. If you are able to use a knife with any kind of mental and physical clarity. The situation does not warrant the use of a lethal weapon. As I said. the situation that would require you using a knife is so extreme, so volatile, and so horrifically un-fuc­king describable. That with the adrenalin you will simply not have the motor skills, and mental facilities to properly use the knife. So to the teenagers and young adults of the flood. Knives are not some kind of cool and bad-ass weapon you carry that will let you defend yourself better. It will only instill a false sense of security. And only serve to increase your chances of death or serious injury.

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  • What if you're trained in Martial Arts to keep your cool during situations AND have Knife training?

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    • You're right, that's why I'm trained in swordplay, and carry one of these if I'm ever in a defense situation

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      • The main problems with knives as panic weapons is that you either have to be slenderman(in which case you don't need a weapon) or you have practically no reach.

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      • Edited by Mash: 3/6/2013 8:24:21 PM
        OP, Knives are not weapons, they are tools. It is even recognised under Canadian law that a knife is a tool, and not a weapon. A knife may make an alright last ditch weapon, they make poor weapons overall. I really like this thread. I carry at least two knives with me daily, have been in a fair amount of confrontations and never once considered drawing my knife. I believe fully that if someone pulls a knife on you, and even if your knife is bigger, you freaking bolt it in the other direction. I really like this thread. Anyone in here saying that a knife is a good item to send a message or attack someone is not healthy. One thing though, OP. It's usually pretty impossible to disarm someone with a knife. I invite you to google the prison yard rush.

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        • Knifes arent going to cause as much injury as guns. So its somewhat better I guess.

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          • So what you're saying is, if someone pulls a knife on me, that I should not pull my knife because its too dangerous and risk getting stabbed by him anyways?

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          • Edited by Magical Robot: 3/6/2013 9:00:44 AM
            Not everything you say is accurate. A lot is but my arms are anything but useless when adrenaline kicks in. And I've used knives for self defense before, I just never had to use it on anyone. He felt tough, till I pulled out my Bowie with an antler handle. People tend to humble themselves in the face of power, thankfully, my power was his imagination.

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            • I respect your opinion, and see where you are coming from, but allow me to retort: A knife is as most any other weapon. In the hands of someone who knows how to use it, it only increases the capabilities of the person wielding it. If the person does NOT know how to use it, it's a wild card. Same as a gun. If you have no idea what part of the barrel the bullet comes out, you may not have any level of effectiveness with that weapon. However, a police officer, for example, knows how to damage someone lethally or non-lethally as may be the necessity. While yes, knives do increase the potential for damage in any conflict wherein the knife is present, they can potentially offer a more effective escape in some scenarios. Most teenagers do not know how to use knives outside of cutting fruit. However, the group who does probably doesn't prefer to use that knife, but would prefer to have it anyway in case the situation came to that. People who are actually trained in knife combat know what they are carrying, and the kind of effect it will have on the situation. People who are trained probably also know that it's more effective to draw the knife and use it as a deterrent to fighting, preventing conflict in the first place. I've had friends who were in situations where they were being attacked, they drew their knife, and nothing happened between the two parties. They used the threat of damage from the knife to quell a potential fight. That is proper use. However, for those who do not take the threat, such as those who are on PCP, how does someone stop a drugged up berserker with their bare hands unless they are trained in breaking bones to completely incapacitate the person? Or lethal unarmed combat? A knife cutting muscles will reduce the capabilities of an attacker whether or not they're on drugs. It's physiology. Or a knife to a lethal area causing bleedout will also stop an attacker. Heck, if you can penetrate through the magnum foramen and nail the brain in just the right way, you have potential to insta-drop your opponent with a large enough knife. Fights are bad as soon as they begin. A knife used properly is merely a tool to change the course of that battle. Such also is a gun. While conflict should be entirely avoided to begin with, a knife in the right hands can be used to reduce the risk to the innocent.

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              • So much fail in one post.

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                • You are a moron OP. So are you saying that it is better to unarmed in an attack than have a knife?

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                  • omg such a long post O.o while knives aren't a preferred weapon of choice (i prefer a firearm over a gun any day) knives are easier to carry than some firearms. which is one reason people carry them around. they're also good for survival situations if you are ever caught in one. Essentially, its like any other weapon, if you are trained to use it then you'll be fine

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                    • Lol didn't read.

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                      • I know nothing about self-defence and I'd get arrested if I was found carrying a knife in my pocket so I'll stick to running away thanks

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                      • retard OP gtfo with your broscience anecdotal piss

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                      • [quote] It is not hard at all to take a knife away from someone, and can be done in 2 simple movements. [/quote] What? It's very difficult to take a knife away from someone trying to stab you without getting hurt. Knives are incredibly dangerous.

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                        • Bringing a gun to a knifefight always ensures that you will lose.

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                          • In my experience and based on my training/education, an edged weapon is such a "last resort" weapon that it is the human equivalent of "using claws". Since I trim my nails, I can't claw at someone. But if things have deteriorated so bad that I am that close, and that in danger, an edged weapon means that I am in such a fight for my life (and am unable to retreat/withdraw) that we're to the "there are no rules" point. With that said, do NOT underestimate the lethality and killing potential of an edged weapon. The old saying of "only a fool brings a knife to a gunfight" is not accurate in the way that it casts an edged weapon as somehow being inferior or less-lethal than (for example) a firearm. One of my instructors had a great drill/example that drove this point home to all of us in his class. Using dummy (plastic non-edged knife and a non-fireable mockup of our sidearm) weapons, the scenario was this. One student laid face down on the floor, arms spread, and the plastic "knife" under their chest. The other person stood 7 meters (just over 20 feet) away with their "sidearm" holstered as they would normally carry concealed. At the buzzer, the person on the floor would get to their feet, take the knife, close the gap, and swipe the standing students abdomen (simulating an evisceration). The standing student was to react, draw their weapon from concealment and get off at least one trigger pull prior to being "gutted". In every instance, and despite the fact that the standing person (with the firearm) knew what was coming, the person on the ground was able to gain their feet, grab their knife, close the gap and simulate a killing blow before the standing person could draw, aim and fire. The point of the drill? Knifes are deadly and don't think that because you have a firearm that you are invulnerable or "safe".

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                            • I carry a knife with me everywhere I legally can, and regardless of the fact that you say its not a good self defense weapon, I will continue to do so until the day I die. Also, I'm not sure if you know this, but many knives are designed for many different purposes, one of which is self defense. so obviously they can be utilized for just such task. And finally, if I had to choose between carrying a knife, and not carrying a knife, I'm going to go for the later, if not for self defense, then for the everyday use that I get out of it. I apologize if I offend you, but though you may have knowledge regarding the capabilities of the human body, you obviously do not know much on the topic of self defense, or knives.

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                            • You seem to have very minimal knowledge on the subject. For one, knives can make for excellent self-defense weapons which can not only route a opponent, but can also induce a lot of trauma in a short period of time. The only issue is that knives and any form of self defense, really, requires extensive training. As you did say, motor/thinking abilities go out the window, which is why you train, so when your mind draws that blank, your body will take over. The only true issue with knives is the art of escalation. Pulling a knife on an attacker will either ward them off or make them have to escalate to a new level to defeat the larger/more powerful of the two. This could result in him going frantic and continuing the attack, or pulling a similar/more lethal weapon. Of course a knife is only good for when you're in arms reach of someone, and anyone properly trained would know this and thus avoid showing their blade until in that distance (so if the attacker does have a gun, they will be easily disabled and maimed, as close up the knife>firearm).

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                            • I don't think it's appropriate insulting kids like that. Just think of it for a minute here. For millenium young humans have defended themselves in violent situations. There is no issue with their brains. When children are expected to make wise decisions regularly they will tend to do it more affectively. I can say personally from having adrenalin rushes before; that you don't really know what you're talking about. I've experienced my entire vision changing to a grey scale image and everything slowing down. If anything my body movements were more exact. I wouldn't want to have to defend myself with a knife, but it would deter a person.

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                            • Let's all just sit here, and pretend like OP is not talking out of his ass, for about, one sentence, well, one sentence a sentence fragment. Shock knife, durable, doesn't require a lot of skill(electricity does not require a "slice", touching it is equal to getting stabbed, it will incapacitate the attacker, and clothing will only increase the effect), water resistant, and I guess non-lethal could be a bonus depending on how you look at it. Problem solved.

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                              • I think this. If you own a knife, keep it at home in a safe place. Especially if its, like, a Winchester knife.

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                              • Edited by FGDSFGDFG: 3/6/2013 1:05:50 AM
                                One word. SWORDS/ TRIBLADED KNIVES

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                                • what if my knife was forged from gods tears?

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                                • [quote]Let me start by saying this. The situation where you would even [b]Begin[/b] to entertain the idea of using your knife is such a severe, dangerous and life threatening situation. In such a situation you will not even begin to be able to use your knife effectively. Your adrenalin will be so high that you will not have proper control of your arms. Regardless of how much of a tough guy or gal you think you are. You simply will not be able to use a knife effectively in a real situation. It is not hard at all to take a knife away from someone, and can be done in 2 simple movements. Any training with a knife you may have had will be completely wiped blank by your adrenalin. This is the situation where you have a very high chance of death or serious injury. Your attacker could very easily be much larger, and much stronger than you. You won't be the only one experiencing an insane adrenalin surge either, Your attacker will also. This will make them considerably stronger and potentially more aggressive than they are normally capable of. If your attacker is on drugs such as PCP or Meth. They very well could be experiencing no pain or fear. You are physically incapable of making the executive decisions that full grown adults are capable of. And quite frankly, you should not be carrying any kind of lethal weapon. You are simply not old enough, and not mature enough. ( regardless of how mature you think you actually are ) DUH, of course teenagers will have a higher self-idea of their maturity than they actually have. If you are able to use a knife with any kind of mental and physical clarity. The situation does not warrant the use of a lethal weapon. That with the adrenalin you will simply not have the motor skills, and mental facilities to properly use the knife. [/quote] ___________________________________________________________________ Everything above this line is garbage and , frankly, bullcrap. Knives don't have the offensive capability of firearms, but they are a powerful SD tools nonetheless. That said, fighting with a knife is a last resort before you're forced to use your own body as the weapon. The knife gives you the edge when someone is trying to hurt/kill you. As with any weapon, training with that weapon will help to keep you calm and collected in a SD situation. Saying if a person has a grasp of the situation means that the situation isn't dire simply isn't true. All that says is that the potential victim is well prepared and ready for such events. Age doesn't have much to do with these events as much as preparation does. If a [url=http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/15-Year-Old-Boy-Uses-AR-15-To-Defend-House-Against-Burglars]15 year old kid can defend himself with a semi-auto rifle[/url], that tells me that prep work results in a better chance of successfully defending oneself. Also, adrenaline ,while a potent variable in such situations, it can be overcome and it's effects suppressed. It's not there to defeat 'motor skills and mental capacity', it's there to give a boost in energy to either fight or fly. For some people, they recall that perception of time slows down when SHTF, arguably increasing their mental capacity to reason through events. I carry a knife every day, mainly for use as a tool in cutting tape and boxes and random stuff at work. It doubles as a defensive weapon as well, should the situation arise. A gun is better, but a knife is far better than nothing.

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                                • I carry a pocket knife everywhere I go. Why? Cause its not a weapon, its the best tool to have in any situation. I use it everyday and it is extremely useful.

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