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2/19/2013 8:26:16 AM
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But why? I don't see why you don't just accept the universe for what it is without the need for it to be a God.
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It's more that the two concepts are interchangeable, I could say god or I could say universe. The only thing that pantheism really signifies is the transcendant feeling that usually comes with religion, except in this case applied to existence itself. That feeling of love and awe. Everyone has at least a small part of that spirituality inside them, and pantheism directs it to a more earthly, but no less significant end.
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I don't. I think the idea that this is all material makes it even more awe inspiring. The idea that the universe is what it is without a 'transcendendent being' or 'transcendence' is one of if not the most beautiful thing about this universe.
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I'm not saying that there is a transcendant being, I'm refering to a feeling of transcendance, of 'feeling' the unknown. There is much in the universe that we don't understand, and is thus transcendant, technically, and it seems possible that that'll always be the case. I think we're basically on the same page.
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That is why I also put the word transcendence by itself. I just don't understand why you make the leap that the universe is a god.
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I don't think you understand what I'm saying, not fully.
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Edited by some passerby: 2/19/2013 12:50:07 PMYou said you are a pantheist. A pantheist is not an atheist "Pantheism is the belief that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent [b]God[/b]" I am merely trying to understand why you would make that sort of leap.
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Oh, I see. The other half is: '[i]or[/i] that the universe (or nature) is identical with divinity.' [quote]I could say god or I could say universe.[/quote] I believe that the universe is so ineffable (emotionaly and intellectually) that it is synonymous with the concept of god. And that causes me to experience religious feeling and reverence.
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Do you know what divinity means? To me you just sound like an atheist with an appreciation for the universe. (something that a lot of people including myself have).
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Edited by Elegiac: 2/19/2013 1:36:25 PMYes but that appreciation is not implicit in atheism. In pantheism it is, to the point of religious feeling. To be honest, a part of why I embrace it is to show highly religious people that there is a better outlet for religious feeling than the more traditional religions.
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I don't know if that is enough to warrant it own title. I'll just ask, do you believe in a creator. If not then I'm sorry to say you're an atheist.
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I appreciate your scepticism and will to analyse, but you're not really qualified to dismiss a centuries worth of critical thought, that has, I'm afraid, for the most part found that pantheism qualifies as legitimate religion.
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I'm not. I'm saying that what you are saying is not matching up with the definition. And you still haven't answered if you believe there was a creator.
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It has matched up perfectly with extant definitions. The creator question has no bearing on the issue. As the post below me says: [quote]There are several "religions" (or at least groups that aren't atheists) that don't believe in a creator.[/quote]
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Edited by some passerby: 2/20/2013 7:57:49 AMIf you really want to avoid my question then go ahead, but.. [i]Pantheism is the belief that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God, or that the universe (or nature) is identical with divinity. Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal or anthropomorphic god.[/i] all of this indicates a belief in some form of higher power. But I'm pretty much done with this thread.
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Done with whatever you're trying to achieve in this thread, and back to school to work on your reading and comprehension skills I should hope young man. Thank you for taking an interest though, if interest it was.
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Edited by some passerby: 2/20/2013 9:19:45 AMWell, since you feel the need to be condescending I can keep this going for a while longer. "I just use the term as an easy way to encompass the... love I feel for all of it. All the positive feelings that don't necessarily come with atheism." If this is what you call pantheism then you are mistaken. You've basically just described what most atheists and theists believe. To be a pantheist you have to believe the universe is pretty much a God or 'divine' and I suggest you search up divine before you reply. It doesn't matter if you're in awe of the universe as just about every thinking human on this planet is as well.
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Reading and comprehension, most importantly the ability to collate information into a complete picture and understand its literal [i]and[/i] abstract implications. Nothing I have said in the thread contradicts anything else I have said. You can't pick something that I've said from elsewhere in the thread and isolate it from all the additional insight that I have provided to you personally and expect me to explain it all to you again. You began this exchange with a confrontational tone which I chose to ignore up to a point, but only up to the point where your seeming incomprehension still seemed plausible, or at least something I could remedy. I haven't taken part in the other religious threads, so I don't know whether religious threads are something that you have taken to trolling hereabouts, but at this point I am suspicious.
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You have ignored/sidestepped every question and statement I have made. If you're that insecure to actually reply to anything that I am writing don't reply at all. And to say that I started this 'exchange' with a confrontational tone is a joke. Just like a great deal of other religious people you are to insecure to coherently defend anything you say, choosing rather to, as I have previously stated, [u]sidestep.[/u] So I'm done with this 'exchange'.
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Add spelling and grammar to the list.
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That is actually incorrect. There are several "religions" (or at least groups that aren't atheists) that don't believe in a creator.
