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I thought about it for a little while burrito and I realized what is wrong with your analogy between the current site and the file filtering system of the old Bungie.net. They are similar but not the same. Yes the old filter system used tags so that users could identify their file (whether it was a map or screenshot or video) and users would search for the tags that interested them, CTF or BTB or awesome snipe whatever. The difference, and the problem with the current tag and forum system with bungie.next is that there are certain key tags that EVERYONE uses and are in fact OFFICIAL such as Community and offtopic, these official tags were meant to replace the forums that their names are derived from. This is the difference between, and the problem with, the old filter system for files and Bungie.next. Users using the file system would tag their files in the relevant category because that was the best way that they could be found, by tagging them correctly as the map type that others would search for. If they were tagged incorrectly they would be ignored. In Bungie.next because everyone uses tags like community users who want more people to see their off topic threads are tagging them as community because they know other users will be searching for that tag. You might say "But Max, you just answered your own question we have a 'hide' button now." In theory that is a good idea however the problem is so pervasive that almost all threads are tagged as Community whenever someone creates a topic because the user will say "Well I want the community to see it." Not understanding (or intentionally misusing) the tag and what the discussion in that tag is supposed to be about. Which is the main problem with the tagging system, that it is FAR too dependent on the users to police themselves and tag things properly, which over the last couple of days they have shown they are incapable of doing. Achronos in fact said (this is me paraphrasing because I am not proficient enough with the site yet to search for this quote) that this was meant to decrease the workload of the ninjas by allowing them to ignore "offtopic" posts that are filed under the wrong tag (unless i have misinterpreted Achronos' statement which I'm sure someone will correct if I have). That is why I think there should be a combination of the two systems, the old forums and the new tagging system. Where you enter the offtopic forum and tag your tread as the topic that your discussion encompasses and other users can then search within that forum for your tag or just scroll through all of the threads. The same with a Community sub forum where you could tag your community related thread with a more specific tag that has to do with the community, for example #communitycarnage or something along those lines. That is my two cents, take it as you will.
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  • Agree with what you're saying, mate. It would be sweet if there were a way to get the community to use the suitable hashtags for their threads. :-)

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  • Thanks for the feedback. We are reading all of it. As burrito says, it has only been a day. We already have a giant list of things we want to do, both major and minor. Thanks for being part of it conversation.

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  • No problem at all. I hope that my comments are not seen as just ranting about how I hate the site, on the contrary there are many things that I really enjoy about it. I'm just trying to give as constructive of opinions as I possibly can.

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  • [quote]The difference, and the problem with the current tag and forum system with bungie.next is that there are certain key tags that EVERYONE uses and are in fact OFFICIAL such as Community and offtopic, these official tags were meant to replace the forums that their names are derived from[/quote]I... I'm sorry, but I don't quite see how that alters the analogy even a hair. It's still the exact same thing that happened before. [quote]In Bungie.next because everyone uses tags like community users who want more people to see their off topic threads are tagging them as community because they know other users will be searching for that tag. [/quote]... It has been a day, buddy. The community will make its own tags. I mean, it seems kind of obvious that the tags will be narrow when there isn't much content. It's still the same thing.

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  • Had to do it. [quote][quote]The difference, and the problem with the current tag and forum system with bungie.next is that there are certain key tags that EVERYONE uses and are in fact OFFICIAL such as Community and offtopic, these official tags were meant to replace the forums that their names are derived from[/quote]I... I'm sorry, but I don't quite see how that alters the analogy even a hair. It's still the exact same thing that happened before.[/quote]The difference at least in my mind is that this makes it easier to abuse or misuse whatever the case may be. In the file tagging system it was more important for a user to tag their file as accurately as possible rather than just tagging it with as many things as they could. In the forum if you misapply the community tag to an offtopic thread it is helpful to the mistagging user.

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