lol Guilty, pentinent...uhh.....whats another good word for sorrow and regret?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nexus1 First -- Icey this is exactly what I was thinking about w/ Halo. Folks here's a man on top of his game. That said, I have two questions: 1.) Penitent Tangent. Did anyone see the Indiana Jones movie where he's looking for the holy grail? One of the steps to the riddle was something about the ..."penitent man living on"... then what does he do but get down on his knees and pray. And just as he does a couple of huge blades go whizzing past where his torso was not 2 seconds ago. Here's the Def: Main Entry: 1pen·i·tent Pronunciation: -t&nt Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin paenitent-, paenitens, from present participle of paenitEre to cause regret, feel regret, perhaps from paene almost : feeling or expressing humble or regretful pain or sorrow for sins or offenses : REPENTANT - pen·i·tent·ly adverb Main Entry: 2penitent Function: noun 1 : a person who repents of sin 2 : a person under church censure but admitted to penance or reconciliation especially under the direction of a confessor. [i]Guilty[/i] Spark, [i]Penitent[/i] Tangent, what's next "Nefarious Widget"? 2.) I haven't heard much about Jesus. This seems glaringly obvious to me, but maybe only me. The Holy Spirit comes down and knocks up a virgin. Then her and her young and nieve husband follow a moving star across the desert. This star also attracts the attention of three wise men who follow. Jesus is born. A perfect little baby. Attended by Angels, asses, and a bunch of other folks if I remember right :^) All through his life he is visited by angels and/or the Heavenly Host Himself. Jesus learns to think of the people as his flock. Here's my thing. Does anyone think this is a little weird? He seems leaps and bounds ahead of all the other people. Jesus is a forerunner. Maybe the last. Think about it. If he's a forerunner, it would make perfect sense that he has superior intellect, wisdom, and morality. He just can't reach his full potential because the life of a carpenter and shepherd is all he knows. He's in a land bereft of technology. He goes out into the desert for 40 days and 40 nights. Is that desert anywhere near where New Mombasa will be 2500 years in the furture? What's he doin' out there? Duh... securing the ark? On the cross he looks up to the sky and says "forgive them father. For they know not what they do." I'd put money on the fact that Jesus will play a part in Halo3. I mean, really! HALO? Think about it. I have to keep reminding myself it's just a game. Hehehe...[/quote] I'd be a little carefull with your word usage in the earlier parts there, pal. I've made a thread earlier about the forerunner, how they are like John the baptist. I believe that the halo (or halos) where representations of Christ. The following where iotas of facts to help justify this: [*]The prophets keep saying that the halos will bring salvation to all. [*]halo (04) was destroyed so that all of mankind could live (but for how long?) [*]the forerunners heralded the halos. (John the baptist was a forerunner for Christ) [*]plus many more! (i forget, mind is tired) Crap. Well as the oracle (in the matrix) once said, "Our time is up". Good night and God Bless, -Weasel PS One more thing to look at. Find the lyrics to "Blow me away" by breaking benjamin. There's alot to it.

First -- Icey this is exactly what I was thinking about w/ Halo. Folks here's a man on top of his game. That said, I have two questions: 1.) Penitent Tangent. Did anyone see the Indiana Jones movie where he's looking for the holy grail? One of the steps to the riddle was something about the ..."penitent man living on"... then what does he do but get down on his knees and pray. And just as he does a couple of huge blades go whizzing past where his torso was not 2 seconds ago. Here's the Def: Main Entry: 1pen·i·tent Pronunciation: -t&nt Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin paenitent-, paenitens, from present participle of paenitEre to cause regret, feel regret, perhaps from paene almost : feeling or expressing humble or regretful pain or sorrow for sins or offenses : REPENTANT - pen·i·tent·ly adverb Main Entry: 2penitent Function: noun 1 : a person who repents of sin 2 : a person under church censure but admitted to penance or reconciliation especially under the direction of a confessor. [i]Guilty[/i] Spark, [i]Penitent[/i] Tangent, what's next "Nefarious Widget"? 2.) I haven't heard much about Jesus. This seems glaringly obvious to me, but maybe only me. The Holy Spirit comes down and knocks up a virgin. Then her and her young and nieve husband follow a moving star across the desert. This star also attracts the attention of three wise men who follow. Jesus is born. A perfect little baby. Attended by Angels, asses, and a bunch of other folks if I remember right :^) All through his life he is visited by angels and/or the Heavenly Host Himself. Jesus learns to think of the people as his flock. Here's my thing. Does anyone think this is a little weird? He seems leaps and bounds ahead of all the other people. Jesus is a forerunner. Maybe the last. Think about it. If he's a forerunner, it would make perfect sense that he has superior intellect, wisdom, and morality. He just can't reach his full potential because the life of a carpenter and shepherd is all he knows. He's in a land bereft of technology. He goes out into the desert for 40 days and 40 nights. Is that desert anywhere near where New Mombasa will be 2500 years in the furture? What's he doin' out there? Duh... securing the ark? On the cross he looks up to the sky and says "forgive them father. For they know not what they do." I'd put money on the fact that Jesus will play a part in Halo3. I mean, really! HALO? Think about it. I have to keep reminding myself it's just a game. Hehehe... [Edited on 11/29/2004 9:27:59 PM]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IceWeasel [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gitsum PLEASE READ ALL OF THIS, especially you iceweasel First of all, i want to say thanks for all the good info, iceweasel. i've been thinking the same thing as you, about the relation between halo and the Bible. i would like to make three points about halo and the bible. 1. In the Bible the number 7 is a holy number. 2. Tartarus: A prisonlike, abased condition into which God cast disobedient angels in Noah’s day. 2 Peter 2:4,"Certainly if God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tar´ta·rus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment." Tartarus is a condition rather than a particular location. {The dense darkness is not literally a lack of light but results from their being cut off from illumination by God as renegades and outcasts from his family, with only a dark outlook as to their eternal destiny.--- The arbiter was told that he would not be able to make the great journey. Tartarus, the brute, was the main character against the Arbiter} Tartarus is not the same as the Hebrew Sheol or the Greek Hades, both of which refer to the common earthly grave of mankind. **IN SUMMARY, an angel= the Arbiter, the sin= failure at halo, Tar´ta·rus= Tartarus.** (For proof that tartarus is not hades, or hell, but that which I explained it to be, PM me.) 3. 1 Samuel 2:25,"If a man should sin against a man, God will arbitrate for him." Any ideas on this? (thanks for reading. if any questions on this info, or want more info on this info, PM me)[/quote] Ah, another who does his homework. Kudos! 1. I am perfectly aware that 7 is the perfect number. it's one of the reasons i decided to delve into the depths that bungie dug within the halo universe. 2 and 3 These words are difficult for me to pick up on in [i]my[/i] Bible because I use the New Living Translation most of the time, so alot of the words are "modernized". I understand that an arbiter is one who judges, and to arbitrate is to pass a judgement on somethin. And I looked up tartarus, and it is the... oh... ahem. Tartarus is a place in relation to hades (greek mythology) where the titans where confined. I don't know the context in which the Bible uses it... It could simply be punishment.[/quote] The following is taken from Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2---- [ Tartarus A prisonlike, abased condition into which God cast disobedient angels in Noah’s day. This word is found but once in the inspired Scriptures, at 2 Peter 2:4. The apostle writes: “God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.” The expression “throwing them into Tartarus” is from the Greek verb tar·ta·ro´o and so includes within itself the word “Tartarus.” A parallel text is found at Jude 6: “And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.” Showing when it was that these angels “forsook their own proper dwelling place,” Peter speaks of “the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed.” (1Pe 3:19, 20) This directly links the matter to the account at Genesis 6:1-4 concerning “the sons of the true God” who abandoned their heavenly abode to cohabit with women in pre-Flood times and produced children by them, such offspring being designated as Nephilim.—See NEPHILIM; SON(S) OF GOD. From these texts it is evident that Tartarus is a condition rather than a particular location, inasmuch as Peter, on the one hand, speaks of these disobedient spirits as being in “pits of dense darkness,” while Paul speaks of them as being in “heavenly places” from which they exercise a rule of darkness as wicked spirit forces. (2Pe 2:4; Eph 6:10-12) The dense darkness similarly is not literally a lack of light but results from their being cut off from illumination by God as renegades and outcasts from his family, with only a dark outlook as to their eternal destiny. Tartarus is, therefore, not the same as the Hebrew Sheol or the Greek Hades, both of which refer to the common earthly grave of mankind. This is evident from the fact that, while the apostle Peter shows that Jesus Christ preached to these “spirits in prison,” he also shows that Jesus did so, not during the three days while buried in Hades (Sheol), but after his resurrection out of Hades.—1Pe 3:18-20. Likewise the abased condition represented by Tartarus should not be confused with “the abyss” into which Satan and his demons are eventually to be cast for the thousand years of Christ’s rule. (Re 20:1-3) Apparently the disobedient angels were cast into Tartarus in “Noah’s days” (1Pe 3:20), but some 2,000 years later we find them entreating Jesus “not to order them to go away into the abyss.”—Lu 8:26-31; see ABYSS. The word “Tartarus” is also used in pre-Christian heathen mythologies. In Homer’s Iliad this mythological Tartarus is represented as an underground prison ‘as far below Hades as earth is below heaven.’ In it were imprisoned the lesser gods, Cronus and the other Titan spirits. As we have seen, the Tartarus of the Bible is not a place but a condition and, therefore, is not the same as this Tartarus of Greek mythology. However, it is worth noting that the mythological Tartarus was presented not as a place for humans but as a place for superhuman creatures. So, in that regard there is a similarity, since the Scriptural Tartarus is clearly not for the detention of human souls (compare Mt 11:23) but is only for wicked superhuman spirits who are rebels against God. The condition of utter debasement represented by Tartarus is a precursor of the abyssing that Satan and his demons are to experience prior to the start of the Thousand Year Reign of Christ. This, in turn, is to be followed after the end of the thousand years by their utter destruction in “the second death.”]

Hey one thing to add to the forerunner = human theory. The rings, (a friend told me, apparently he found a line in first strike stating) all the rings are IN THE MILKY WAY. WHy not build your ultimate weapon close to home?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gitsum PLEASE READ ALL OF THIS, especially you iceweasel First of all, i want to say thanks for all the good info, iceweasel. i've been thinking the same thing as you, about the relation between halo and the Bible. i would like to make three points about halo and the bible. 1. In the Bible the number 7 is a holy number. 2. Tartarus: A prisonlike, abased condition into which God cast disobedient angels in Noah’s day. 2 Peter 2:4,"Certainly if God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tar´ta·rus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment." Tartarus is a condition rather than a particular location. {The dense darkness is not literally a lack of light but results from their being cut off from illumination by God as renegades and outcasts from his family, with only a dark outlook as to their eternal destiny.--- The arbiter was told that he would not be able to make the great journey. Tartarus, the brute, was the main character against the Arbiter} Tartarus is not the same as the Hebrew Sheol or the Greek Hades, both of which refer to the common earthly grave of mankind. **IN SUMMARY, an angel= the Arbiter, the sin= failure at halo, Tar´ta·rus= Tartarus.** (For proof that tartarus is not hades, or hell, but that which I explained it to be, PM me.) 3. 1 Samuel 2:25,"If a man should sin against a man, God will arbitrate for him." Any ideas on this? (thanks for reading. if any questions on this info, or want more info on this info, PM me)[/quote] Ah, another who does his homework. Kudos! 1. I am perfectly aware that 7 is the perfect number. it's one of the reasons i decided to delve into the depths that bungie dug within the halo universe. 2 and 3 These words are difficult for me to pick up on in [i]my[/i] Bible because I use the New Living Translation most of the time, so alot of the words are "modernized". I understand that an arbiter is one who judges, and to arbitrate is to pass a judgement on somethin. And I looked up tartarus, and it is the... oh... ahem. Tartarus is a place in relation to hades (greek mythology) where the titans where confined. I don't know the context in which the Bible uses it... It could simply be punishment.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KEBAB Shark... Yes Halo 2 is just a game, just as the Matrix and Starwars were both "just" movies. But this does not stop people trying to talk around the subject a learn a little more. Have you ever listened to any of George Lucas' commentaries on Star Wars - the guy is completely out there when talking about his charatcters. He doesn't just write a movie, he has an entire history locked in for those characters to help explain their part in the movie and in the surrounding universe Look at Lord of the Rings - do you think that Tolkien just "wrote a book"? The guy even developed his own Elvish language and created maps of Middle Earth to expand and enrich the environment. All of this ultimately gave the reader a more well-rounded experience that really allowed them to immerse themselves in the story and its characters. Likewise on Halo, Bungie have not just made a game for simple entertainment (although if that's all you want, I am sure it will more than satisfy you). A game on itself would only yield short-term interest and the Halo brand would only be a short term phenomenon. Bungie, have sought to create an entire universe, with back story and complex characters. They have stated (in one of their special edition videos) that they want people to feel completely immersed in this world. So they have thought long and hard about the Halo universe, and the blatant connections and parallels are deliberate and designed to get fans to think about the story, it's charaters and the settings. They have authorised (overseen) novels and to think that this is just a game is nothing short of a very narrowminded approach. Open your eyes a bit mate - this story line would not have come about if it wern't for people at Bungie sitting round a table and forming a universe that is far bigger than one game can encapsulate. All we are doing is what any other fan of any other cult movie would do - trying to get a littlemore understanding. Not all stories have to have biblical references (Star Wars was a classic story of good versus evil, as was Lord of the rings), but in this case, the Bible has provided at least a flavour of what the story line in Halo is all about. Writers of good strories are always inspried by other stories, events or experiences. It's good story telling and we're tapping into that. Lastly - bringing this to the real world for a second....this is of course all purely good for business and making money. If you look at the most successful franchises over the years (Star Wars, Matrix, Lord of the Rings (the novels), they have consistently made money and why? - because the environment/universe that they created is far bigger than any one book, or any one story - the expanded environment is so addictive that once interested, people will not fail to invest their time and money in it....(Star Wars has been going shince 1977!!) Bungie are trying to do the same, with (so far) some success. So to conclude - if discussing the game, and the Halo universe is not your thing, then just remember that Bungie created this game and gave the option to those who wanted to, to embellish on that universe. If you don't want to - then that's fine, we all have different intersts over and above going out, drinking and meetin the ladies. - Do your own thing but don't moan here. Just one thought though - Killzone - the PS2 "super shooter" completely bombed and why do you think that was? Well, apart from the rubbish gameplay) Gamespot also hinted at the lack of expansion on the universe - the story fell flat. You'll never see this game again. On the other hand, James bond (as a game and a movie) just keep coming and continues to bring the money in. Okay you can argue that the gameplay isn't always the best - but people still buy the games and go to the cinema simply because the James Bond "Universe" has got them hooked. I think I have made my point.[/quote] Hey KEBAB, You're on the right track but it actually goes farther than you think. J.R.R. Tolkien was part of a group of authors at Cambridge University in London (I believe in the 1920's to '40's) called the "Inklings". Tolkien, C.S. Lewis and another guy( can't remember his name) were all professors there and they decided to try to incorporate themes of spirituallity into works of modern mythology. They each in thier own way created an epic saga in a world complete with rich scenery and detailed history. These masterpieces had a common theme, parallels with Christianity. It's funny that I stumbled upon this thread, I'm right in the middle of the Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis. (which BTW has [i]7[/i] books) I might as well be reading about Halo. No kiddin', Chronicles of Narnia are awesome, these books are great! I'd recommend them to anyone. I'm not especially religious either. Anyway, rock on Icey!

PLEASE READ ALL OF THIS, especially you iceweasel First of all, i want to say thanks for all the good info, iceweasel. i've been thinking the same thing as you, about the relation between halo and the Bible. i would like to make three points about halo and the bible. 1. In the Bible the number 7 is a holy number. 2. Tartarus: A prisonlike, abased condition into which God cast disobedient angels in Noah’s day. 2 Peter 2:4,"Certainly if God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tar´ta·rus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment." Tartarus is a condition rather than a particular location. {The dense darkness is not literally a lack of light but results from their being cut off from illumination by God as renegades and outcasts from his family, with only a dark outlook as to their eternal destiny.--- The arbiter was told that he would not be able to make the great journey. Tartarus, the brute, was the main character against the Arbiter} Tartarus is not the same as the Hebrew Sheol or the Greek Hades, both of which refer to the common earthly grave of mankind. **IN SUMMARY, an angel= the Arbiter, the sin= failure at halo, Tar´ta·rus= Tartarus.** (For proof that tartarus is not hades, or hell, but that which I explained it to be, PM me.) 3. 1 Samuel 2:25,"If a man should sin against a man, God will arbitrate for him." Any ideas on this? (thanks for reading. if any questions on this info, or want more info on this info, PM me)

Ya we just kinda destroyed the Aztecs, they didnt dissappear they just...got done up one side and down the other by the explorers.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 2236 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Powerhungrymonk dude even though that is sort of cool, your are way too obseesed. it is scripture and this is a freaking game(no offence) there is no conetion[/quote] The Aztecs believed their Gods came from "Massive chariots from the skies" and their gods were humanlike beasts which demanded sacrifices. Then all of a sudden, every single Aztec dissapeared without a single trace or notice....[/quote] Actually, it was the Mayans that dissapeared... and there are still alot of there descendants around. But I get your drift. I wouldn't recognize anything in the Bible as an act of [i]aliens[/i], just so you know. [Edited on 11/28/2004 7:43:28 PM]

Hey guys this is Holy Hamster but I cant find my other name so I have this one but im still a pimpin hamster [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IceWeasel he also saves a few of his covenant friends in.... i think it was the last level... yeah where all the other covenant troops where in the forerunner style prisons. Good connection. [edit] I don't think that the guns would represent the plagues though. And plus I don't think that the arbiter ever considered his people as slaves... the reason Israel was enslaved was because of their wrong doings against God (and having a new pharoah in power). Interesting find none-the-less.[/quote] I was actually kinda joking about the plagues, but...ok....

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Powerhungrymonk dude even though that is sort of cool, your are way too obseesed. it is scripture and this is a freaking game(no offence) there is no conetion[/quote] Ok well it seems like Halo was based on the Bible. Also look at EVERY SINGLE RELIGION on this planet. Each one of them contain some kind of alien, or force from space which is usually exadgurated or indirectly told of, and sometimes described with words we would not use. Thousands of years ago people didn't use words like plasma, they didn't even know what to call a gun. So they would use words like chariots instead of ships, and describe emotions by stating "fire streaming from the mouth" and that kind of stuff. The Aztecs believed their Gods came from "Massive chariots from the skies" and their gods were humanlike beasts which demanded sacrifices. Then all of a sudden, every single Aztec dissapeared without a single trace or notice. Then the Egyptians believed of some kind of God from space as well, however I know little about that. Then the "mighty chariots who rain down fire" during the talk of the apocolypse in the Bible can easily be describing a bomber. Even buddism has relations to beings of other worlds, but it isn't completely about destruction and worship. Every noted religion on this planet contains some tie in whatever way to aliens, more or less. That is why it is so relevent, Bungie may be tying Halo into this whole Alien and Religion thing.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BurningBouy It would make sense cause bungie does seem to like to tie stuff in to halo like the devine number. It wouldnt suprise me if u were right. I didnt read all of the comments so dont get mad if someone has said this befor but the idea of the ark makes me believe that earth (the ark) is the only place unefected by the flood and thats why there are forrunners (humans) on it[/quote] I won't argue with you on those points, but to make some things clear, I don't think that the humans are the forerunners, and I don't think that the Ark is in relation to Noah's Ark. I think it is [i]The Ark of the Covenant[/i]. I am working on my next update that will involve the Ark...

It would make sense cause bungie does seem to like to tie stuff in to halo like the devine number. It wouldnt suprise me if u were right. I didnt read all of the comments so dont get mad if someone has said this befor but the idea of the ark makes me believe that earth (the ark) is the only place unefected by the flood and thats why there are forrunners (humans) on it

he also saves a few of his covenant friends in.... i think it was the last level... yeah where all the other covenant troops where in the forerunner style prisons. Good connection. [edit] I don't think that the guns would represent the plagues though. And plus I don't think that the arbiter ever considered his people as slaves... the reason Israel was enslaved was because of their wrong doings against God (and having a new pharoah in power). Interesting find none-the-less. [Edited on 11/28/2004 2:38:53 PM]

Oh one more thats probably already been stated about the Arbiter representing Moses...He served the prophets (egyptians) and was held under high regard by them, when he later found out about their attempts to commit Genocide against his people. He then led his people with many plagues of plasma grenades, smack talk, attempts to talk common sense into them, brute shot rounds, carbine rounds, plasma rifle discharges, needler rounds, shotgun shots, fuel rod explosions, and, of course the melee attack. ten plagues, if I count correctly. Anyway he eventually freed his people from the tyrrannic grasp of the megalomaniacal prophets/egyptians and has begun leading his people to safety. Heartwarming isnt it?

Hey I just realized something, I know you guys were talking about the two prophets sent who died and were brought back to life and comparing them to the MC and the Arbiter, but what about a more literal interpretation? The Prophet of regret is certainly "alive" in Gravemind, and Mercy may follow, cuz Gravemind has High Charity, as well as Mercy's corpse.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] I KILL GRUNTS Halo 2 has many connections with the Bible,look at this Earth-The Ark ( Noah and the Ark ) Flood-Bad people of Earth Forerunner-God Halo-Storm that kills everyone SO,here is what happens. Forerunner activates Halo and kill everyone but a few peolpe survive by getting to earth. God makes a storm that kills everyone but a few people get on the ark and live. See the connection? [/quote] that's good, but to be honest... it's a little thin. When Guilty Spark mentions The Ark, alot of people think Noah's Ark, which was a form of protection and safety from the flood. True, that is a connection, but Noah's ark never wiped out anything. When Guilty Spark mentioned the Ark, I immediately thought about The Ark of The Covenant, which represents the glory of God. Now, in the olden days of the Hebrews (I can't recall the chapters or verses), The Ark of the Covenant was taken from the Israelites by warring nations.... to make a Long story Short, The Ark was very important to the people of the Holy Covenant. Ack, I want to continue with what I was saying, but something came up. I will be back in time to finish a profound thought on The Ark.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sub Zedox Nice thread Ice. I have read every post thus far (in one sitting I might add...that lets you know this has got my attention). Now I have a couple things to say. 1. Remember when you was talking about the demons and death and stuff in the lake think Halo 2 ;-) 2. What if your whole thing is actually backwards (even though that would be the biggest twist ever in the history of time). Like what if MC and the humans were actually the ones who were bad (even though all of your theories disprove it) but think about stuff that actually it could be that way. Take the meaning of the names and stuff away and think of it this way. Humans being the ones from letting the flood come to be and therefore betraying god. MC being Judas GS 343 being Jesus GS gives MC a chance to do the right thing. MC Betrays him. GS only tells the truth from God (God = the forerunners). GS trys to do God's doing but MC tries to get him and his cause killed (Destroying 05). Something to that extent. Just a thought.[/quote] you make very interesting points. Actually, I have considered humans being on the "wrong side of the tracks", and vis versa... and I'm more comfortable with them being on "the right side", but that doesn't mean bungie doesn't have a "third side" or whatever. The key is to keep an open mind. I handle my thought process and my humor the same way I play golf. I take the ball and run with it! anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if MC was a Judas type charecter, seeing how he kind of does betray Guilty Spark on 2 betrayals... or is it that guilty spark betray MC? his name [i]is[/i] [b]guilty[/b] spark. But the forerunners representing God wouldn't flow right. He was and is and is to come... that is He is unchanging. The forerunners died off some time ago... However... Guilty spark representing Jesus wouldn't be [i]too[/i] far fetched [b]if[/b] the forerunners are a God-like beings... Guilty Spark does keep refereing to the forerunners as his creators... ....Eh, it's a possibility, but it doesn't flow well with me. One thing remains unanswerd in your proposal (or else I'm not reading between the lines very well)... Where does/do the Covenant (both senses) fit in?

Halo 2 has many connections with the Bible,look at this Earth-The Ark ( Noah and the Ark ) Flood-Bad people of Earth Forerunner-God Halo-Storm that kills everyone SO,here is what happens. Forerunner activates Halo and kill everyone but a few peolpe survive by getting to earth. God makes a storm that kills everyone but a few people get on the ark and live. See the connection?

Nice thread Ice. I have read every post thus far (in one sitting I might add...that lets you know this has got my attention). Now I have a couple things to say. 1. Remember when you was talking about the demons and death and stuff in the lake think Halo 2 ;-) 2. What if your whole thing is actually backwards (even though that would be the biggest twist ever in the history of time). Like what if MC and the humans were actually the ones who were bad (even though all of your theories disprove it) but think about stuff that actually it could be that way. Take the meaning of the names and stuff away and think of it this way. Humans being the ones from letting the flood come to be and therefore betraying god. MC being Judas GS 343 being Jesus GS gives MC a chance to do the right thing. MC Betrays him. GS only tells the truth from God (God = the forerunners). GS trys to do God's doing but MC tries to get him and his cause killed (Destroying 05). Something to that extent. Just a thought.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IceWeasel [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Holy Hamster Why thank you. Wouldn't that be screwed up if the forerunners were like Giant Rodents? I'd be all "OH WHAT NOW I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!"[/quote] That'd be interesting to say the least... ooh, a non biblical parallel. Hamsters are the forerunners.... ...and weasels are the supreme rulers of the grunts during the "grunt rebellion" (as mentioned by one of the prophets).[/quote] *surfer accent* DUDE that would be the coolest thing like...like..like...like...ever! You and I weasel we rule. lol

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Holy Hamster Why thank you. Wouldn't that be screwed up if the forerunners were like Giant Rodents? I'd be all "OH WHAT NOW I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!"[/quote] That'd be interesting to say the least... ooh, a non biblical parallel. Hamsters are the forerunners.... ...and weasels are the supreme rulers of the grunts during the "grunt rebellion" (as mentioned by one of the prophets).

Why thank you. Wouldn't that be screwed up if the forerunners were like Giant Rodents? I'd be all "OH WHAT NOW I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!"

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Holy Hamster Master CDA, Ice Weasel, you have my apologies. It is a possibility, and honestly, I had no arguement to back up what I had said before. As said in oldern times... "Too-Shay" ... and yes, I know that was improperly spelled.[/quote] oh, what? I didn't take it (the ressurection part?) personally. I think it'd be weird if MC come back to life for no reason. But apology accepted none-the-less. Now Johnson could be an excellent example of someone who died and came back to life, and it doesn't necesarily have to be a Christ-like parallel. If there is a parallel in Sarge's rebirth, it may also be linked to Isaac [i](who was sacrificed to God [i]and[/i] recieved life again)[/i] or Lazarus [i](who was dead and Christ gave life).[/i] Or there may not be any specific parallel at all with [i]him[/i]. Who [i](besides The Author)[/i] knows?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Holy Hamster OH, by the way, not to offend anyone or argue with any theories or alltogether sound like I complete idiot, I posted my own theory on forerunner history in another sting, and heres what I remember of it. Note that I only formulated this after seeing others like Ice get flamed for no apparent reason, so I post this to show that, to the people who may disagree with a theory, theres always a dumber one out there. The Forerunners were Giant, Human sized Hamsters, waging a constant war with the flood. They used their Immense Technology to create the Halos and fled to the Ark, on earth, with a few of their human slaves. They then had the rest of their human slaves activate the Halos, and, after the apocolypse, shrunk themselves to the small size we see them in today. With their now down-sized bodies, they were useless to the Flood. Since their human slaves were too stupid at the time to understand anything but how to put the index into the Halo's, they were incapable of re-sizing their former masters to dwell as slaves once more on earth in peace. Thank you -Holy Hamster [/quote] NICE!