To first introduce myself, regard me by my username. I am a BA in Communications and fluent in Christian/Protestant & Orthodoxy theology, ideaology, and dissertative matters on such subjects in storytelling. Let me explain something to the readers, and especially to the creator of this thread: Throughout the ages, it has become almost 'fashionable' to some extent to derive, or abstract per se, a new (modern) [in this case...post-modern] story from various components of our past. It would not do historical justice to say that there are "biblical references" in movies such as the Matrix and games such as Halo; however, I am not saying there is absolutely no correlation. First to understand this, we must say that these stories (which I am very much a fan of as well) have the basic elements of storytelling, screenwriting, and game scripting that most of today's story-rich media. It is NOT safe to say that such extraordinary works, like the Bible, has references TO Halo; albeit, the storytellers derived such fundamentals from it. In layman terms...the storytellers (i.e. Game Scripting) at Bungie were brilliant in using fundamental story aspects that every storyteller should rely that has its roots in such places as the Bible and other historical primary sources. IT WAS NOT JUST BY CHANCE! It is no great revelation that some of today's greatest stories has ties to documents that were written within the last two millenia...and beyond! They are just great storytellers. In short, there is no new thing under the sun. What made for fascinating stories thousands of years before (even if the stories are factual) make for great stories today. FOR THE CREATOR OF THIS THREAD: If you are going to use such hype about one who is educated in such matters, it would be wise to watch your tongue, for in that same Bible that you quote it states (Revelation): "...Young foolish men will look for signs where there are none..." There is no prophecy in Halo, although it is a wonderful game. The true prophecy lies in the primary sources from where such stories are abstracted....Thank you.

Interesting thread, I looked up some meanings of character words on www.dictionary.com. Try Tartarus and Prophet. Both are very interesting. Sentinel just means guard, which it is, also Penitent is an interesting one as is Brute!

Gotta go to school i have a 69 in precal and Im inelligible if I fail pray for me lol -Hamster

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IceWeasel [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlueOyster I'm about as pissed off at the end of halo2 as the end of Matrix 2 anyways yea Eagle you should either write a book or let bungie hire you to make a game. But then again thats the point in both of them. You've seen the ending to the second and now you cannot and will not die before you see the very ending. I'm gonna play Halo again and see if i can pick out some of this stuff like you did. I did always wonder why the monitor picked MC out of the crowd of marines and didnt pick any other random elite, but also had a Title for him and was waiting for him for who knows how long.[/quote] Eagle? *looks around*.... do you mean [i]Weasel[/i]? Anyway, yeah. The end of matrix 2 [i]would have[/i] angered me greatly, but I don't know why it didn't. I guess it's because the Wachowski Brothers (or Warner Brothers) put it right out in the open that there'd be a matrix 3 before matrix 2 came out. In the matrix, you couldn't have 2 without 3, and you can't have 3 without 2 (however, some are satisfied with just matrix 1). I can only surmise that halo (2) is the same way. Again, it's debateable whether or not it's coming... It'd be a shame if it didn't but now I'm rambling.... moving on! I'm jotting down quotes that gravemind says in hopes that my next update can be on him (it?). Well, I got to go to bed. *looks heroicly over masses of non-existant buildings* [i]"good night, new mombasa."[/i][/quote] BlueOyster must have gotten into a mix-up there:-) Halo 2 is all about preference. I, as did many others, enjoyed Halo 2 (all of it) to the fullest. After playing through half the game I figured Halo 2 would end on a “What the crap!” note, and I wasn't at all disappointed with the way it turned out. I'd rather the game be split into two parts, each containing substance and flow, instead of trying (that’s the key word) to cram every 12 - 40 year old gamer’s fantasies into one sour bite. In many ways, I believe the ending to Halo 2, or rather, the bridge to Halo 3 was a nod to all the theorist within the Bungie community. For those of us who love to speculate, Halo 2 is a gold mine of information. Threads on gameplay, physics, and tricks won’t keep the b.net community going for years. It’s those crazy speculation that fuel this community, and in that respect, the end of Halo 2 is brilliant! Anyways, that’s my two cents, and I’ll be jumping back into my usual theory walk soon enough. -Eagle 117 [Edited on 12/2/2004 11:31:54 PM]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlueOyster I'm about as pissed off at the end of halo2 as the end of Matrix 2 anyways yea Eagle you should either write a book or let bungie hire you to make a game. But then again thats the point in both of them. You've seen the ending to the second and now you cannot and will not die before you see the very ending. I'm gonna play Halo again and see if i can pick out some of this stuff like you did. I did always wonder why the monitor picked MC out of the crowd of marines and didnt pick any other random elite, but also had a Title for him and was waiting for him for who knows how long.[/quote] Eagle? *looks around*.... do you mean [i]Weasel[/i]? Anyway, yeah. The end of matrix 2 [i]would have[/i] angered me greatly, but I don't know why it didn't. I guess it's because the Wachowski Brothers (or Warner Brothers) put it right out in the open that there'd be a matrix 3 before matrix 2 came out. In the matrix, you couldn't have 2 without 3, and you can't have 3 without 2 (however, some are satisfied with just matrix 1). I can only surmise that halo (2) is the same way. Again, it's debateable whether or not it's coming... It'd be a shame if it didn't but now I'm rambling.... moving on! I'm jotting down quotes that gravemind says in hopes that my next update can be on him (it?). Well, I got to go to bed. *looks heroicly over masses of non-existant buildings* [i]"good night, new mombasa."[/i] [Edited on 12/2/2004 10:39:31 PM]

Ya anyways if people get threads closed down for talking about H3's....(if there will be, as it is neither confirmed or denied)...release date....why do they leave open threads that discuss the actual supposed plot?

I'm about as pissed off at the end of halo2 as the end of Matrix 2 anyways yea Eagle you should either write a book or let bungie hire you to make a game. But then again thats the point in both of them. You've seen the ending to the second and now you cannot and will not die before you see the very ending. I'm gonna play Halo again and see if i can pick out some of this stuff like you did. I did always wonder why the monitor picked MC out of the crowd of marines and didnt pick any other random elite, but also had a Title for him and was waiting for him for who knows how long.

many people insist that halo 2 comes out on feb. 9th, 2005, others say feb. 9th on a later year. They say they got that clue in the credits when you beat h2 on legendary, but my friend confirms [i]otherwise[/i]. So, for me, as far as halo 3 goes, it's a 50 50 chances. Granted the ending of h2 was a bit of a cliff hanger (more so than I'm used to), it pretty much begs for another sequel. However, Bungie has not confirmed either way in the case. Right now, we can only speculate. I request that all who read this do not make Feb. 9th a topic of interest, it may incite a riot. Other threads have been locked for such discussions.

February 9th? whats that?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] gods_spartan [color=red] I'm going to have to stay neutral on the Ark Issue for now, mostly because I haven't seen any desicive info to push me one way or the other. (as if anyone cares about my opinion) [/color] I mean, if you think about it, the Ark could be interpreted as a safe haven, a place to hide from the Flood...but then...how would all of the Halo's be activated from the Ark? And another thing...does it save us from the FLOOD, or from Halo's activation? I'm not sure how to say this one way or the other, but if Noah's Ark saved from a flood...what does that have to do with Halo's activation? However, if the Ark was interpreted as a place from which you let loose the full power and fury of the forerunners....well...lol I'm so stupid I dont evenn know where I'm going with this. Time for school, have a great day everyone[/quote] intersting... Perhaps it's a hybrid of both? there isn't much in-game evidence to lean on, so we'll just have to play it by ear. Where did this whole "february 9th" rumor pop up anyway?

[color=red] I'm going to have to stay neutral on the Ark Issue for now, mostly because I haven't seen any desicive info to push me one way or the other. (as if anyone cares about my opinion) [/color] I mean, if you think about it, the Ark could be interpreted as a safe haven, a place to hide from the Flood...but then...how would all of the Halo's be activated from the Ark? And another thing...does it save us from the FLOOD, or from Halo's activation? I'm not sure how to say this one way or the other, but if Noah's Ark saved from a flood...what does that have to do with Halo's activation? However, if the Ark was interpreted as a place from which you let loose the full power and fury of the forerunners....well...lol I'm so stupid I dont evenn know where I'm going with this. Time for school, have a great day everyone

[color=red][b]Mini update:[/color] [color=white][/b]The Ark[/color] [i]a clone of this post may be found [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=1243637&viewreplies =true#end]here.[/url][/i] Good evening. This mini update is a supporting arguement for the Ark theory. [b]PRIMER[/b] Many people believe that the Biblical connection of The Ark is Noah's Ark. And then there are the few who believe that Guilty Spark was speaking of an Ark that was like The Ark of the Covenant. So far I have only seen (and contributed to) the battle of notions. That is, others as well as myself have merely pointed out ideas of what the Ark was and how it applys (or would apply) to the Ark and its appearently logical roll in the Halo universe. But I believe that the standard for Biblical comparison should also include verses from the Bible as a supporting statement and something a bit more tangible than a written thought. [i]For those of you who are skeptics of my work, I would like to direct you to the [color=yellow][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=94466 4&viewreplies=true&postRepeater1-p=1]yellow paragraph within my master thread.[/url][/color][/i] [b][color=red]THEORY[/b][/color] As far as my standings go on whether or not it [The Ark] is Noah's (boat) or that of The Covenant (Chest revealing God's Glory), I believe that it is the Ark of the Covenant. Before, in October, I have made posts about what to expect in halo2 using some Scriptural verses I found. Lo and behold, they "Coincidently" occured (^see the yellow link above^). Any way, back to the Ark. For information on Noah's Ark and the flood, you may want to look up Genesis, chapters 6-9. As for the Ark of the Covenant, I shall focus on That right now. [color=white]Concerning the Ark joining the Temple (of God)[/color] [quote]1 Kings 8: 3-4,6-8 When all the leaders of Israel arrived, the priests and Levites took the Ark of The LORD, along with the Tabernacle and all its sacred utensils, and carried them up to the Temple... ...Then the priests carried the Ark of the LORD's covenant into the inner sanctuary of the Temple - the Most Holy Place - and placed it beneath the wings of the cherubim. The cherubim spread their wings over the Ark, forming a canopy over the Ark and its carrying poles. These poles where so long that their ends could be seen from the front entrance of the Temple's main room - the Holy Place - but not outside of it. They are still there to this day.[/quote] At the death of Jesus [quote]Mathew 27:50-52 Then Jesus shouted out again, and he gave up his spirit. At that moment, the curtain in the Temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. The whole earth shook, rocks split apart, and tombs were opened. The bodies of many godly men and women who had died were raised from the dead.[/quote] [color=white][b]What we might expect from a possible halo 3[/b][/color] [quote]Revelation 11:19 Then, in heaven, the Temple of God was opened and the Ark of His covenant could be seen inside the Temple. Lightning flashed and roared; there was a great hailstorm, and the world was shaken by a mighty earthquake.[/quote] I don't know if this made sense to anyone else out there, but I hope that it atleast helped in some way. (note: This update was a bit more rushed than ussual due to time constraints) [edit: I'm going to bed. Any questions directed to me will be answered between 15 and 17 hours from when this thread was edited (10:28pst)] [Edited on 11/30/2004 10:30:18 PM]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nexus1 [quote]I'd be a little carefull with your word usage in the earlier parts there, pal.[/quote] Icey, I meant no offense. I'm not even sure of what offended you. I really like this thread though. Please keep it coming. (maybe if we're lucky bungie will sticky this thread.) [/quote] I understand that you meant no offense, but I'd forgive you either way. I just wouldn't word it as the Holy Spirit "knocking up" Mary. Alright.... so anway... about halo 2... oh yeah, a sticky would be nice... maybe an academy award.... Just kidding. I'm not really doing this for praise... However it [i](thread becoming sticky)[/i] would raise the bar for theory writing... er, add a new branch to it. [Edited on 11/30/2004 4:19:47 PM]

[quote]I'd be a little carefull with your word usage in the earlier parts there, pal.[/quote] Icey, I meant no offense. I'm not even sure of what offended you. I really like this thread though. Please keep it coming. (maybe if we're lucky bungie will sticky this thread.)

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pitbull maybe the hand thing was designed for lefties and rightie!!!! my, my, my, what the future may hold.[/quote] oh, what an age that would be... too bad mugs aren't made like that! [quote] Or maybe the humans evolved without the extra thumb since the halos were set off the first time. [/quote] It's possible (in the halo universe), but I'd natural selection would likely favor a creature with a higher level of articulation (ie, the extra thumb). I'm divided on the subject of the forerunners=humans theory. All I can do is wait.... or hear a [i]really[/i] pursuasive arguement. (note: i have read many many theories on the whole forerunner=human thing, one of which is in my sig. Check it out!) [edit: no longer in thread] [Edited on 1/1/2005 10:52:45 AM]

maybe the hand thing was designed for lefties and rightie!!!! my, my, my, what the future may hold. Or maybe the humans evolved without the extra thumb since the halos were set off the first time.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Longshanks [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IceWeasel [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CountZero17 I don't know why anyone hasn't already said this, but if MC is supposed to be the reclaimer/savior, then, What i think would happen in "Halo 3" is that MC would sacrifice himself to destroy the flood, jesus died to repent all of our sins... and the flood are "sin" essentially right?[/quote] I believe that all humans are know as reclaimers, because when Tarturus had Keyes, 343GS said not to hurt her because she was a [color=yellow] [i]deliacate Reclaimer[/i] [/color], so therefore it could be pointing that humans were the forerunners.[/quote] Are you using the right/entire quote? I personally don't believe that the humans were the forerunners [i](however, I believe that they are highly involved with each other)[/i] but any supporting evidence I had is lost in the sea of oblivian... So i'll just agree to disagree (or disagree to agree). ..... Actually, come to think of it, someone in the HBO forums posted a picture in the level quaruntine (or is it the one before that). It was one of those forerunner panels with a digital handprint image on it. It looked more human than covenant, but it looked like the pinky was replaced with a second thumb. So they (humans-forerunners) are definately in some way related.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IceWeasel [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CountZero17 I don't know why anyone hasn't already said this, but if MC is supposed to be the reclaimer/savior, then, What i think would happen in "Halo 3" is that MC would sacrifice himself to destroy the flood, jesus died to repent all of our sins... and the flood are "sin" essentially right?[/quote] I believe that all humans are know as reclaimers, because when Tarturus had Keyes, 343GS said not to hurt her because she was a [color=yellow] [i]deliacate Reclaimer[/i] [/color], so therefore it could be pointing that humans were the forerunners.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Faithless564 Ok i have to say that all this is very cool and i believe that Bungie got there ideas from the bible... but to say that the forerunners are real? do you acualy think that the forerunners are REAL?!?! its a video game.... not the bible[/quote] woah woah woah... back the warthog up. Who said that the forerunners are real?

Ok i have to say that all this is very cool and i believe that Bungie got there ideas from the bible... but to say that the forerunners are real? do you acualy think that the forerunners are REAL?!?! its a video game.... not the bible

To gods_spartan/holy hamster: chastenend, contrite, compunctious, expiatory, submissive... etc ;) to nitemonkey: (see also PM) To Gebimble and Werewolf884: Thanks! I do what I can. Feel free to PM me anytime. To Tonberrykiller: Actually, I touched on it somehwere... [i](searching)[/i]... huh, I could have sworn I posted it in this thread. Earlier I posted somewhere that Gravemind represents the grave, or the embodiement of death ("I am a monuement to your sins" (the wages of sin is death)). Because in the book of Revelation it mentions the beast and the false prophet being thrown to the depths of death... (but Regret seems to be more honest than Truth...) But today I was thinking about it and I thought otherwise... but I can't quite remember where I was going... it was in relation to Christ taking our share of the punishment (of sin)... crap, I have a tendancy to not finish my thoughts. If I can recollect my thoughts properly: [*]Gravemind is the embodiment of death/sin. [*]the last thing that would cross the mind of sin is Salvation for everyone. [*] the prophets always say that the rings will bring salvation to all [*]Gravemind [i]used[/i] the Arbiter and MC to "[i]keep the key from turning[/i]", that is, to stop the halos from fireing (rendering the efforts of the flood/gravemind useless) That concept in itself was like when satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness, so that if He sinned, no one would recieve Salvation. It's an effort from sin/darkness/death to keep others spiritually alive. But [i]this[/i] theory kind of falls apart because the so-called "rings of slavation" wipe the galexy clean of all sentient life. Hope any of that helps.

These are all some interesting points but how does Gravemind fit into all of this...? (if youve already covered this I appologise, but it has become a long thread...)

ice... i have no -blam!- idea what your talking about... but it is very interesting and i would like to hear more of your wisdom (wisdom or insanity? it matters not). but as some select few have scuritnized your findings, they are quite intresting to anyone. and myself have always been looking for the supernatral, so enlighten me to what other knowledge you possess...(im not really as smart or profound as i sound)

Ice... If you haven't already read my reply in another thread... What does dervish mean to you... ?

Well done Ice! That was some very good digging there! It's people like you that take computer games and make them more special for everyone, even if we are stupid people who take things at face value. Thanks dude, it's been a REALLY cool read :) ((and thanks to bungie too, for putting these things into their games))

lol Guilty, pentinent...uhh.....whats another good word for sorrow and regret?