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10/8/2007 5:14:30 AM
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Anyone else insulted by this?
"What you’re seeing is roughly the same situation as you would have in Halo 2, but with movies and screenshots available to examine this stuff, you’re seeing more alleged injustice on a frame by frame basis. The sniper IS harder to use now, so sack up, it requires more skill."
This is what we got in response to asking why the hit detection is glitchy in the sniper rifle. Are we really being told, in the face of irrefutable evidence that the sniper is glitchy, that we should just deal with it because it's now "harder to use"?
I wouldn't mind if the hit detection was a little off and from time to time shots go through heads...I can deal with that. The problem is that IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
By the way, for those who are going to tell me it's lag...it's not. I've done it in local games, and against stationary (afk) players on Live. It's not a lag issue. It's a hit-detection issue.
I've got over 15 clips of this happening in the past 2 days. (I've uploaded some of the more blatant ones, and more are coming later)
PLEASE, Bungie, don't throw this back in our face and tell us it's our fault. The first step to fixing a problem is to admit it's there.
PLEASE admit the hit-detection's a little off...even if it can't be fixed.
And don't even get me started on the Double Reload glitch...
By the way, I know this has been discussed, but it's so infuriating that I needed to vent a little. I was really pissed when I read that "sack up, it requires more skill" crap. Sorry.
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the sniper rifle has yet to be a problem for me. there have been times that i could've sworn he/she should be dead, but when i watched the reply i was off by a hair. and when bungie said it requires more skill, it does. too many people are whining that the sniper sucks in halo 3. BULL -blam!-! that weapon kicks ass! learn how to use it. my neighbors and i went on an 8-9 shotty snipers spree without problems. noscopes, quickscopes, and long-range shots all worked to perfection (except when his hand would come up to reload and the bullet hit his hand, which is an incredible amount of attention to detail). bungie wisely removed auto-aim and quick fire to add more strategy to the game. when someone gets hit by a sniper round and loses their shields, they have time to react now, which is exactly how it should be. look at the other great multiplayers. Rainbow Six Vegas: all snipers are bolt-action except the PSG1 (which is balanced by a lower accuracy) COD 2/3 (not saying COD 3 is a great game): all snipers bolt-action, and the ones that aren't i never saw in multiplayer, only campaign Gears of War: single-shot bolt-action the list only starts there. and in none of those four-games is there an obvious auto-aim. the sniper rifle in halo 2 is not all it is hyped up to be. it really demands little skill from the user because it would shoot for the user. the only part of aiming that had to be done was to put the leetle blue circle near their body. the game did the rest. everybody calls the sniper glitchy, but i won't until i have issues. i never did in the beta and i don't now. and there is no point in bringing your anger and frustration here. bungie won't change the game for a handful of the million players worldwide. i understand you are angry and upset that you can't kill your opponents, but even if you have a good connection the host may not. and don't forget standbying. moral of the story is... if you have a problem, fix it by reaquiring skill with a new weapon. don't -blam!- and moan that it doesn't do what you want it too. sorry everybody, but the game won't kill for you. so "sack up, it requires more skill".
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I don't see the big deal, the sniper rifle actually seems to be EASIER to use now to me! I couldn't get a headshot to save my life (literally) in Halo 2, but in 3 I can pop 'em off quite easily. Yeah, every now and then a shot goes through without dealing damage, but that's what the other 3 rounds are for; First shot doesn't get the job done? Take another! Oh and just 'cuz a contrail goes through a guy's head, doesn't mean his head was there when the bullet passed on through. Maybe the bullet actually travels the distance instead of being an instant beam of death now?
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I am going to sign up on this one... the hit detection on the sniper is horrible. There are alot of videos proving this. Hopefully bungie can and will fix it. I will also admit, that I was offended several times in that article. Its almost as if they were saying... "ok, were done with it... screw you guys, im going home"
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It's not a glitch, guys. It's the nature of the internet! Ever heard of lag? You know, that thing that everyone blames when they were outskilled by their opponents? It exists in console games too. Of course your replays are going to recount what your system thought happened, but somewhere along the lines of communicating with another Xbox that's all the way accross the country the information can/will get jumbled or lost or reported so slow that the host box is forced to disregard it. Want more accurate headshots? BUY BETTER INTERNET! Or as a friend had to learn the hard way: stop downloading -blam!- while you play. [Edited on 10.08.2007 10:26 AM PDT]
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It happens when you snipe, it also happens when someone snipes you. Stop complaining, nothings perfect.
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No, it's not latency, people have done this in custom games all by their lonesome and have had the same problem. I've noticed it too, a lot here recently, and it's pretty annoying. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the sniper rifle to begin with, so when I get stuck in a Shotty/Snipers game, I've already given up hope of winning considering now I'm not even sure if my shots will register. [Edited on 10.08.2007 10:22 AM PDT]
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To all the people complaining that you just suck with the Sniper. Why in the hell would I go back, completely going out of the way, and look at this? I've noticed this probably about 20-25 times when I was actually serious and done learning all the controls. To the people that say they aren't experiencing any problems. You must be new to the game, or just recently bought it. Your having a to fun of a time to even notice it. I was like that too, but I'm definitely seeing it now and it's annoying as hell when it happens. Even some other guy hit me in the head TWICE. I could see my blood coming from my head when I was trying to get away, and I did get away. Here's my file share. It's the first one. [url]http://www.bungie.net/stats/Halo3/FileShare.aspx?gamertag=AoD%20ToxicDragoN[/url]
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Didn't Achronos address this before? He explained it as a discrepancy between host and client due to lag. What you (client) are seeing is not what is actually happening according to the host. Personally, this hasn't been an issue for me yet. It doesn't seem like it's happening on a large enough scale to be a huge problem that needs to be fixed, even if Bungie could do anything about it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AngelOfDeathMG Now, originally I agreed with Bungie on this. When I first started playing, it didnt happen, but now when I started using sniper more, it DOES miss, I can now see what everyone was complaining about. I had clips of MM games where I emptied 2.5 clips of sniper into ONE guy, in torso AND head, and his shields didnt even drop. No, They did hit, blood even came out, so that the patch of dirt he was walking on in Last resort was red with it. But then he actually notices me, and shoots at me with BR, and for some obscure reason, the next shot decides to work even though I screw it up BAD (Im talking about him being halfway between windmill and the stone thing, and my shot going toward the stone... AT GROUND LEVEL), It BENT in the air (I saw this by the smoke trail (not ricochet, just bent.... in the air) and hit his head... Bungie... Either you all are on shroom, LSD, -blam!-, meth milkshakes, or you HAVE to admit this is more than lag. Lag does NOT bend space and time to redirect shots magically at someones head. Also have had shots not count on normal multiplayer with friends on my console, no XBL involved. The can't possibly be lag, because no internet was used, and I wasnt even signed into internet! Reason I did not post "my weird experience" video with the bent shot, is it keeps telling me my file share is full, even though I only have one small film in there. I will try to post another vid when it happens again.[/quote] You want us to believe you were in a serious MM game and shot ONE guy with 12 rounds and he barely noticed you enough to start shooting at you with his BR?
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im not insulted by this at all, does this make me a blind fanboy? no. this isn't the first game thats had hit detection problems, one game even had bullet lag in single player, took almost a whole clip to take out one guy
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KRAKEN CMT I am REALLY interested in this since I have never once encountered this problem. And the majority of my kills is from snipers. ( I love Shotty Snipers). But, I've seen the vids and the evidence is there. So why does it only happen to some players? This is really interesting......[/quote] It happens to me all the time and it's super annoying! They need to patch this.. and their response is total BS.. I would love to say something like that to a customer in my industry.. lol.. I would be fired in a heartbeat...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gunslinger_X_19 While it wasn't the nicest way to say it, I still fail to see how he is wrong. This kind of thing did happen all the time in Halo 2, and a rediculously amount more in Halo when using XboxConnect. Also the Sniper rifle IS a lot harder to use now since they removed almost all auto-aim from it.[/quote] I seem to get MORE sniper kills in Halo 3 than I ever did in 2. The only change I see is that it doesn't seem to shoot as fast. Sometimes it doesn't shoot for me at all. However, you should all check out one of my clips called Brutality. You'll see me tear it up with the Brute Shot and then pull of a lucky hell is frozen over sniper kill of the flag carrier on Last Resort.
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Now I had skulls on in this Campain game on normal. But I turned on the 2 health skulls so the brutes where ungodly tough. But I shot one in the head repeatedly and not even an animation that he got hit. I am thinking its the skulls but I dont know for sure. As for the sniper in MM it works great. I will bet I have one of the worst connections and I can shot pretty damn acurate with the thing. Just ask the guys Sat. night that aslong as I had a yellow connection they were just dead targets.
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I love the sniper rifle now....so much more balanced. If they change the hit detection to make people get easier shots with it, then they need to make it 3 body shots and 2 head shots to kill someone....either leave it like it is, or make it easier to hit someone but do less damage.... It is the strongest weapon in the game and has the longest range in the game...it shouldn't be easy to use. If I were bungie, I would have made players not be able to run while scoped...only walk [Edited on 10.08.2007 9:23 AM PDT]
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I really don't see a problem in the sniper rifle. I gotta lead my shots a bit for a moving target, but that just seems like most other FPS's. It just seems like it is a bit harder to use. Maybe my experiences are just different though. As for the reload glitch, I thought I was the only one getting that, so it's not just me? Seems to only happen with the sniper and BR though.
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Yes it is an insulting comment. I get the vast majority of my kills with the sniper rifle (prob. cause all the Shotty Snipes) and have noticed the shots not registering. Last night when I was playing, a dude shot me in the shoulder cause I turned and got the blood spray in my face but my shield did not go down. I didn't mind but I bet he was pissed. I will try to add a link to this clip.
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There's no doubt in my mind that this [b]IS[/b] a glitch so now my question is: How hard will it be for bungie to fix it?
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Thats rediculas...... if bungie acualy responds to all of its fans like I dont see a bright future for them.... Anyways if you want proof (im sure a 1000) of these have been posted but check my fileshare. Headshot this guy about 8 times. Eachtime blood splirts out but his shields dont even go down. I then shoot him in the foot and his shields go down.....
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ver7ig0 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cr1msonSkull [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolf Brigade 03 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gunslinger_X_19 While it wasn't the nicest way to say it, I still fail to see how he is wrong. This kind of thing did happen all the time in Halo 2, and a rediculously amount more in Halo when using XboxConnect. Also the Sniper rifle IS a lot harder to use now since they removed almost all auto-aim from it.[/quote] Yes it is. I see very few people complaining about it actually. I have seen vids of injutice done by "lacking sniper-shots", but it's nothing to quibble over. The sniper does take skill this time around. He wasn't lying.[/quote] Yes, but hitting people in the head with a sniper IS SKILL. That shot not registering and you not getting the kill isn't a reflection on your skill, but poor programming. That being said, when a player shoots someone in the eye three times, each shot should have been a kill, and if it isn't and you tell him that he isn't skilled, it's a frustrating situation for that person, to say the least. I don't have the game yet, but even if I did and NEVER had this problem, I would want the problem solved for the people being affected by it. Fairness in the game is important, and honestly, if I MYSELF was shot in the head several times and I didn't die, I would be extremely empathetic for the person who didn't get there well deserved kill. Whatever this problem is, no matter how many people it effects, it needs to be solved. And it IS a problem with something other than player skill, because if you landed that shot based on WHAT YOU WERE SEEING ON YOUR SCREEN, then it should count as a kill.[/quote] Thank you. That was perfectly said. I agree 1000%.[/quote] You're welcome =]
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I remember when I used to play countersrike 1.6, and playing on american servers I'd have a ping of 120-150, I'd use the scout sniper rifle shoot a guy in the head who straffed out the corner but I wouldnt get the kill instantly, He'd then run back behind the corner after me shooting him then suddenly drop dead from my kill like 5 secs after the original headshot, this is known as lagshot. Maybe this is familiar to H3, but instead you just dont get the kill and they stay alive.
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*twitch* I may not have done any large scale game production, but I can take a guess at how these guys work. If the community complains about a problem large enough to have it commented on officially, I can guarantee that they've looked into the issue. Seriously. Yes, they've looked at your million videos of you missing that guy by a hair. Yes, they've read your thousand posts regarding this issue. Yes, when they attempt to reproduce the problem (and trust me, with the tools they have, if it's reproducible, they'll do it), and can't, they're perfectly entitled to a bit of smack talk regarding your incessant -blam!-ing. They've done much more testing than your two-and-a-bit weeks have. Also, I'd much rather deal with a developer that talks to me on my level, instead of generic corporatese or half-truths. Yes, you do have a misguided sense of entitlement. Shut the -blam!- up. Enjoy the damn game. ... Is it just the Internet, or is all of humanity doomed to a life of -blam!-ing? ps: In other news, how do you get that bloody skull?
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[quote]I have no problem using the sniper. What's the big deal?[/quote] Another ignorant fool posting in a thread before he even knows what its properly about, this isnt a whine about sniper missing headshots thread, It's more to do with bungies attitude. Please do go back and read the thread. Instead of being a dumbass.
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Now, originally I agreed with Bungie on this. When I first started playing, it didnt happen, but now when I started using sniper more, it DOES miss, I can now see what everyone was complaining about. I had clips of MM games where I emptied 2.5 clips of sniper into ONE guy, in torso AND head, and his shields didnt even drop. No, They did hit, blood even came out, so that the patch of dirt he was walking on in Last resort was red with it. But then he actually notices me, and shoots at me with BR, and for some obscure reason, the next shot decides to work even though I screw it up BAD (Im talking about him being halfway between windmill and the stone thing, and my shot going toward the stone... AT GROUND LEVEL), It BENT in the air (I saw this by the smoke trail (not ricochet, just bent.... in the air) and hit his head... Bungie... Either you all are on shroom, LSD, -blam!-, meth milkshakes, or you HAVE to admit this is more than lag. Lag does NOT bend space and time to redirect shots magically at someones head. Also have had shots not count on normal multiplayer with friends on my console, no XBL involved. The can't possibly be lag, because no internet was used, and I wasnt even signed into internet! Reason I did not post "my weird experience" video with the bent shot, is it keeps telling me my file share is full, even though I only have one small film in there. I will try to post another vid when it happens again.
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hey guys first post...neway...ive noticed the sniper hit detection but ive only encountered it in one game, i have 2 vids on my file share "haxz0rz" (at the time i saved the vids i was unaware of this problem...i thought they were modding) so all of the ppl saying o u guys just have no skill with the sniper...just watch some of the vids ppl are saying they have...esp on mine...i shoot the guy in the back/head 3-5 times and YOU CAN SEE THE BLOOD COMMING FROM THEM...idk y they would bleed if i missed...and the hit wasnt registered...im not going to like yes i missed some shots, but when i shoot and blood comes out of the target and shields arent dropped or ppl arent killed something is wrong...if you watch the long hax vid...around 5 mins 25 sec till i die is the best example of this glitch
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JGolden125 I have no problem using the sniper. What's the big deal?[/quote] You would have a problem if you shot someone directly in the face and they didn't die. Now say this happens at least 5 times per sniper/shottie game. It's a problem. If this hasn't happened to you, then count yourself lucky because your probably one of the people that's been shot and hasn't died.
