In the words of [color=purple][b]Cortana[/b]: [quote][b]I leave home for a few days and look what happens. This won't take long.[/quote][/b][/color] [b][color=white]To gods_spartan:[/color][/b] I may continue my campaign in this thread, but I will likely in the future make a duplicated yet simplified version with all of updates in one central location.... that is... at the top of the thread, rather than sprinkled through out 10+ pages of Q and A sessions. But the day I make that simplified copy in [i]New Mombasa[/i] is well after the initial copy dies at the forum in Eagle117's group, [url=http://bungie.net/fanclub/4347/Group/GroupHome.aspx]The Watchers[/url] [i](which i have not posted it there... yet)[/i]. I've got a size-able update coming, with tid-bits on my musings on gravemind, as well as a few others describing the Arbiters, the prophet of Truth.... plus a few more that I find along the way [i](all topics seperate, for the most part)[/i]. [color=white][b]To Truth 3:[/b][/color] I'm glad to hear that your a fan of these connections and i wish you well on your highschool.... campaign [i](my freshmen year was... deplorabley painful)[/i]. And as for the john:117 part, yes I have heard of it. Actually, that little part right there is was got me started on this whole theorizing thing. I first heard about it over at [url=http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~dnannery/yellowbanshee/ot/haloandthebible.html]Yellow Banshee[/url], and then it got me thinking and I started to sniff out other clues. But, in truth, [b]I do [u]not[/u] endorse the idea that it is refering to the book of John, chapter 1 verse 17.[/b] I believe as it is stated at [url=http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~dnannery/yellowbanshee/ot/haloandthebible.html]Yellow Banshee[/url] [i](whoops, I can't find it at that link, it is talking about John 1:17 and the mosaic law)[/i], it is refering to [b]Revelation[/b] 1:17 [i](the book of Revelation was written by the same John)[/i]. There it is talking about Christ being the first and the last. Where Chief is the first and the last? if you read [u]The Fall of Reach[/u] you will see many instances. Actually, I have a link on that topic buried deep within this thread.... [b][color=purple]scanning...[/color][/b] ah! i shall post it again right here so there is no confusion: [quote][b]ORIGIONALLY POSTED AT: 11/8/2004 3:20 PM PST [/b] SPARTAN117, John. After my previous posts pretaining to the Biblical references in halo, others have attempted at pointing them out as well. One of which being MC's name. Some insist that it points to the book of John chapter 1 verse 17, or John 1:17. Where infact it would make much more sense if it would refer to a different book that John wrote, Revelations. Namely Revelations 1:17, where Christ reveals Himself as the First and the Last. [i]Revelations 1:17[/i] [quote]When I saw him, I fell at his face as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me and said, [color=red]"Don't be afraid! I am the first and the last[/color]...[color=red]"[/color] [/quote] This is relative to Spartan 117 because in [u]The Fall of Reach[/u] he was first and last in nearly everything. [u]The Fall of Reach[/u], page 53 [quote] "First drop in three minutes," Mendez barked. "Trainee 117, [b]you're first.[/b]"...[/quote][quote] ..."not yet," John told him. He marched onto the dorpship. No one else was on board... ...Kelly paused and asked,"Who's getting left behind?" "No one," John said."Just get in." [b]He made sure he was the last one on.[/b] [/quote] [u]The Fall of Reach[/u], page: 42 [quote]...John protested. [b]"I was first."[/b] "Yes, you were first," Mendez explained ,"but [b]your team was last.[/b]" [/quote] [/quote] And as for xbox live... I don't have mine up and running. I have couple of "2 months free" cards lying around.... but i don't want to activate them just yet. But I will keep you posted when I do. [color=white][b]To Zakushark:[/b][/color] Ah yes, the two prophets. I have considered putting them in another update... but some of the things don't [i]quite[/i] work out with them. For example: yes, the prophet of Regret [b]did[/b] "shoot fire" to defend himself, and the prophet of mercy (as well as truth) likely have the same devices on their chariots. [b]HOWEVER[/b] in order for them to make a more upstanding connection with scripture, they would need to: 1) die [i](check)[/i] 2)be ressurected 3 [i](or so)[/i] days later [i](maybe a check for regret.... perhaps not for mercy)[/i] 3)ascend to the heavens after ressurection Granted many connections on such topics are [b]loosely based[/b] because they are not what the Bible was truly mentioning, so I/you/we/non-bungie-employee can't really prove or disprove that connection either way. But since you found it without seeing anyone else mention it, I tip my hat... that is if I had one. Kudos! As for the rest of your theory, I can see how one might come up with those conclusions... but in my opinion, they kind of go off on a tangeant. But I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it was true. [color=white][b]To TheSilencer X:[/b][/color] Kudos on your finds, bretheren. [color=white]To whom it may concern:[/color] [color=green][b]UPDATE PENDING[/b][/color] and a happy new year.