This is just sad that I have to hold your hand through every argument I make, but since this hasn't become locked yet, I'll go ahead and do it. What's the point in being mature and letting it go after all? [quote]On the second quote, you saying that I misunderstood your post only proves how you misunderstood my post. In the above paragraph I just pointed out how you would like to see people say childish things rather then keep them to your selves, which is exactly what my second paragraph from that quote was proving wrong.[/quote] Ok, you read what I put first entirely incorrectly. I said " In my opinion, that's [taking the time to say 'I won't stoop to that level' or 'I won't be childish'] worse than coming outright and using namecalling because you're not just a jerk or insulting, but also you are a liar and a pretender." [b]Nowhere[/b] did I say that remaining silent was worse than actual namecalling. I said specifically that going through the trouble to type "I want to say mean things, but I won't be childish because I'm a good person," is worse than namecalling because you are only feigning moral highground. If you truly wished to avert being childish, then you wouldn't have posted at all. Do you understand? Am I getting through to you finally? Refraining from insults is great as long as you aren't actually trying to sneak in an insult by saying to the person you're arguing with that you will refrain from being childish. If you want to appear genuinely mature on the forum don't say "I'm too mature for that" because that's only another form of namecalling and insulting, but rather refrain from speaking entirely. I hope you got that, because I'm not explaining it again. [quote]Also you are insulting some of the veterans here that have been here for years[/quote] That was my intention. I know that several of them are good guys, but sticking around after everything has been said and done over a dozen times is just foolish. Seriously, there has to be a better way for somebody to spend their time. I've been on different forums for different lengths of time, but never for years. Anybody who can stay that long and avoid being totally disgusted or bored to tears needs to rethink the way their living their life and their values. Some things are a waste of time, and time is a horrible thing to waste. Knowingly wasting time on something completely trivial is a waste of life. And Halodude. . . I'm all about drawing criticism to my self. Now, do you want some too? "You're nothin' but a big headache, and I've got a pistol-full of Asprin" -Church [quote]In my point of view, this has decreased my respect for you, which I may add I did have respect for you, because after all we are just having a debate on some thing, not an argument.[/quote] Aww, I didn't know you cared. Thanks Live. You've warmed my heart, but the war must continue. I must have blood. [quote]Laslty, I saw you had no problem letting your childishness showing,. . . I think you are taking this way to far and are taking offense to this, which is not the point.[/quote] I know I'm childish. I love being childish. Ever wonder why children always seem so happy and adults are only satisfied when they have something particularly pleasing? It's because being an adult sucks. I'll take immaturity thankyou. As for the other statement, I may be taking it too far, but I hardly ever take offense. Honestly, I'm quite apathetic both sides of this argument. What I'm saying doesn't matter and neither does what you or the others say. It's just a forum. I say such cruel things only because I'm a bit of a jerk. Often I try to avoid it, but forums are the best place to let the evil out. You have anonymity and, for the most part, immunity. Actually I feel kinda' good saying mean things to strangers from a safe distance. It's pathetic. . . childish if you will. Something I don't get to do very often in reality, so I think I'll take advantage of it here. Gotta' vent my malevolence somewhere after all. [quote]so there is no point to this topic any more and should either be ignored or locked. [/quote] Now if you really believed that you wouldn't be replying would you? This is the same thing as "I won't be childish." You're trying to do something petty, getting the last word in for this argument, and secure that with a mod locking the post while maintaining a guise of being mature and wise. Really, enough with the pretending. Let's resort to namecalling and physical threats. Even if it's just sad, like our argument and the fact that I'm continuing it, it is so much more honest. The war rages on. [Edited on 6/1/2004 10:02:59 PM]