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10/5/2012 9:35:44 PM
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Was the creation of Spartan 2's, evil?
Was it wrong? Now before you say, "well the Spartans 2's were needed to save mankind from the covenant", let me just say that the Spartans originally mission was to fight the insurrectionists/rebels, not covenant.
So even if the Covenant never existed/never came in contact with Man, the Spartan's still would have been created.
But though these rebels were a threat to the UNSC, i still believe it was evil to capture kids from there parents, replace them with flash clones that later died, genetically experiment on kids (human experimentation, especially when you use it on people without their permission, is wrong). Brainwashing them, turning them into killing machines, removing a part of their humanity, is wrong as well.
Some might say that the end's justify the means, but that justification can be used to "justify" several horrors. What if in the future, the USA has even a larger terrorist threat then it does now? Does that make it ok to kidnap kids and experiment on them? No. Just because the experimentation has the potential to save lives, doesn't justify the actions themselves (Imperial Japan experiment on people, and though their findings/data on the incidents can potentially be used, perhaps for combating certain illness's/diseases, said actions still aren't right).
History has shown, that some men are willing to hurt/experiment on people to benefit their side in some way, that doesn't make these men good or just.
Also, in real life, if radical Islamic terrorists decided to capture kids from their home, train them, and then indoctrinate them with their terrorist ideology, so the kids would have no problem fighting and killing themselves to stop what they see as the "Western" threat. Does that make their actions good just because if can benefit their faction in some way? No
What do you think?
[Edited on 10.05.2012 1:39 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] haloplayer2kill [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 I know you said "barring Covenant intervention", but it still kinda made the debate moot. Nobody in their right mind would question the project, or it's ethics, after it single-handedly won humanity the war. A fractured humanity is no good for expansion. The UNSC needed a quick and decisive way to quell any rebellion. If 150 children have to give up their future to save countless potential lives, then I'd say it was worth it. And weren't the Spartans all colony kids? What future did they really have to begin with? The Spartan-II program let them live to their full potential, and they likely did more as Spartans than they ever would have as civvies. [/quote] Two things to say. 1. Really? Main reason why Mankind won the war? An legitimate argument could be made, that if the Civil War never happened within the Covenant, Mankind, even with Spartans, would have been defeated. 2. We have no evidence that the children were not going to have a great future if they weren't kidnapped, and even if that was the case, that is still no justification for kidnapping them from loving parents. That's like saying its ok for the USA to kidnap kids from 3rd world countries who have parents who love them, just because they think they would have a better life in a 1st world country like the USA.[/quote] I dunno if it's elaborated upon in the books, but wasn't it Chief's destruction of Installation 04 that kickstarted the Civil War? Thel fails to protect the ring, and that gets the ball rolling for the Elite's secession from the Covenant. No Spartan project, no destroyed ring. I doubt anyone else could fight through the Library, get the Index, steal it back from Spark, destroy the phase pulse generators, fight through a Flood infested ship to get Keyes' neural hub, and then fight through the [i]Autumn[/i] to destroy the ring. I seriously doubt the best trained ODST squad could do all that. [/quote]The Prophets were planning to replace the Elites with Brutes a long time before that.
