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#Septagon

1/2/2013 5:10:47 AM
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A huge problem with this community

Before I begin, let me clarify something. This thread is mostly in reference to threads on the Flood, because the Septagon is saturated with employees, moderators, and people dedicated to pleasing the previous two groups, and because the game forums have effectively died. Bungie.net has a culture problem. A culture problem that I believe is detrimental to the growth and success of the website. Hostility is not really something I see talked about much here so I figured this was worth a thread. The Flood's not a pleasant place, and it never really has been. In fact, it got so bad that the Big Man had to step in and [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26466683]do this[/url]. It kind of feels like the entire community, moderators and members both, have forgotten [url=http://www.bungie.net/Help/content_viewer.aspx?link=conduct]that being a jerk is a bad thing.[/url] Anyone who posts often on the Flood can see this. People are constantly tossing around insults, and pretty nasty ones at that. For some reason, no one seems to care anymore - maybe because we're dark, or maybe because we've just all gotten lazy or grown out of being bothered by such things. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76620787]Just look through a few[/url] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76616824]pages from a couple of threads made since yesterday.[/url] Let me stop here and say that I am not trying to be negative and judgmental towards the moderation team. I know that holding that position is difficult from experience elsewhere, I know how exhausting and bothersome the job is. I'm aware that moderators can't be everywhere at all times to ban people who are hurling nasty insults at someone. This is just as much a call to members. Every one of us are given a report button so we can help keep the forums clean, but who really uses it unless they're upset over something an OP said? How often do you see a post reported aside from OPs and harmful links? The sheer nastiness that can be seen just by scanning over any somewhat long thread is astounding. Maybe moderators don't ban people within threads because they don't see them. Maybe the same is true for people not reporting a post. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a moderator lock an exceptionally long thread, that everyone knows is nothing but a cluster-blam!- of angry people spewing hate at each other, and not bother to even read the second post. Like I said, I understand when you just don't see it, but why in the hell are people in these huge threads not reporting these types of posts? I know that people will be jerks on the internet, and I'm not expecting it to change. But can we please do something to get rid of this toxicity before new people start pouring in? People have strong opinions on things, and they're certainly entitled to them, but why do you have to insult someone by saying you can't tell if she's a boy or a girl? Why do you have to say nasty things to non-heteros, or females, or people who don't like the same private group as you do? Why is any of this tolerated at all? Allowing this stuff to go on is just running people away from the site, because a civilized person has no reason to spend their time being involved in a community that harbors these types of people. I know what the responses will be to this post. People will tell me how I'm being too sensitive and how it's just the way the internet is. People will tell me I'm one of the jerks. And look, I know I overstep the line sometimes when I'm joking. None of us are perfect, but I don't think asking members to attempt to be decent (and mods to enforce decency when needed) is too much to ask. You can ignore this problem all you want, but I know from talking to others that I'm not the only person who sees this. It's a real problem that needs to be fixed.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bloodpit10 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Verachi You can't see the hostility? You must be under a spell. Why am I not surprised you all have one thing in common.... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] easytomake [/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid [/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] R3ACTlON [/quote][/quote]I know you're referring to the Sapphire, but I honestly didn't see any hostility in Harlow's post. I'm actually pretty sure that I'm in Sapphire's sears'd list and all I see in the OP is 100% truth. The hostility is the one and only reason I don't usually visit the main forums anymore. No matter what you say, if it's an opinion of some sort it [i]will[/i] get flamed. No matter what. I agree with him, the attitude of the community in this site is a problem which has driven many people, and will drive many people away. It needs to be fixed. [/quote]All of this. I'll admit, Harlow and Jay have never been particular favorites of mine, but right now I've agreed with everything they've said in this thread and around the issue. They seem to actually be in the few showing the most sense at the minute. Seems that more than a few people are ignoring the issues presented though, in favour of attacking or demeaning the people presenting them themselves. How ironic. I don't think the "it's the internet, get over it" attitude is appropriate either. On the subject of reporting, that's a flawed system in of itself. It requires that the majority of people actually addressing the post in question have a problem with it, which, as demonstrated by this thread, and most likely at least one on the front page of the Flood, is not going to happen because those people are the ones with the attitudes of "it doesn't matter" or they join in. The ones who do attempt to step in as well as report just get the tide turn on them, the poster in question as a subject receives more hostility and, at best, the thread is locked after hitting a sizable number of replies and the perpetrators get a warning or ban, usually bypassed by another alt which runs rampant until the whole cycle starts again. Either that or no bans get issued and the members carry on behaving in a despicable or inappropriate manner. So far, in the Flood at least, most of the people disagreeing with Harlow and Jay [i]are[/i] the perpetrators, at least to a degree, but because most people here have the attitude of "internet people are dicks, get over it" anyone who speaks out against the situation get called "butthurt", "wimps" and other similar insults to varying degrees, often having to be filtered or bypassing the filter (for which most times, nothing gets done). I've seen, most recently, people saying "Oh, there are much worse forums than this place", "consider yourselves lucky", "it used to be worse than this", "if you want civil conversations, get off the internet" and other such BS, as if the victims (for lack of a better word) should be grateful for some reason. Do people really excuse this? [Edited on 01.02.2013 12:28 PM PST]

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