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#Septagon

1/2/2013 5:10:47 AM
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A huge problem with this community

Before I begin, let me clarify something. This thread is mostly in reference to threads on the Flood, because the Septagon is saturated with employees, moderators, and people dedicated to pleasing the previous two groups, and because the game forums have effectively died. Bungie.net has a culture problem. A culture problem that I believe is detrimental to the growth and success of the website. Hostility is not really something I see talked about much here so I figured this was worth a thread. The Flood's not a pleasant place, and it never really has been. In fact, it got so bad that the Big Man had to step in and [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26466683]do this[/url]. It kind of feels like the entire community, moderators and members both, have forgotten [url=http://www.bungie.net/Help/content_viewer.aspx?link=conduct]that being a jerk is a bad thing.[/url] Anyone who posts often on the Flood can see this. People are constantly tossing around insults, and pretty nasty ones at that. For some reason, no one seems to care anymore - maybe because we're dark, or maybe because we've just all gotten lazy or grown out of being bothered by such things. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76620787]Just look through a few[/url] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76616824]pages from a couple of threads made since yesterday.[/url] Let me stop here and say that I am not trying to be negative and judgmental towards the moderation team. I know that holding that position is difficult from experience elsewhere, I know how exhausting and bothersome the job is. I'm aware that moderators can't be everywhere at all times to ban people who are hurling nasty insults at someone. This is just as much a call to members. Every one of us are given a report button so we can help keep the forums clean, but who really uses it unless they're upset over something an OP said? How often do you see a post reported aside from OPs and harmful links? The sheer nastiness that can be seen just by scanning over any somewhat long thread is astounding. Maybe moderators don't ban people within threads because they don't see them. Maybe the same is true for people not reporting a post. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a moderator lock an exceptionally long thread, that everyone knows is nothing but a cluster-blam!- of angry people spewing hate at each other, and not bother to even read the second post. Like I said, I understand when you just don't see it, but why in the hell are people in these huge threads not reporting these types of posts? I know that people will be jerks on the internet, and I'm not expecting it to change. But can we please do something to get rid of this toxicity before new people start pouring in? People have strong opinions on things, and they're certainly entitled to them, but why do you have to insult someone by saying you can't tell if she's a boy or a girl? Why do you have to say nasty things to non-heteros, or females, or people who don't like the same private group as you do? Why is any of this tolerated at all? Allowing this stuff to go on is just running people away from the site, because a civilized person has no reason to spend their time being involved in a community that harbors these types of people. I know what the responses will be to this post. People will tell me how I'm being too sensitive and how it's just the way the internet is. People will tell me I'm one of the jerks. And look, I know I overstep the line sometimes when I'm joking. None of us are perfect, but I don't think asking members to attempt to be decent (and mods to enforce decency when needed) is too much to ask. You can ignore this problem all you want, but I know from talking to others that I'm not the only person who sees this. It's a real problem that needs to be fixed.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Zero Nine [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Zero Nine [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Halo biggest fan I see these comments in society a lot. If someone doesn't agree with you they are automatically inclined to be your enemy, and reply with their opinion on the subject; which is one of the biggest issues for flaming and insults on the Internet. The mods/Bungie can't do much to stop this, they aren't here to babysit every member and to make sure no one gets offended. Even if we had a small army of mods we couldn't do that. The only thing that you can do to these "offensive" comments would be to report them.[/quote] It depends what you think is "offensive" because I seem to remember Recon saying if it doesn't break the rules and you report it you can get banned. Which is why I don't report anything just to be safe.[/quote] Each situation is different and the mods use common sense when issuing bans. If someone is reported for having a different opinion but doesn't break the rules, they won't get banned. [/quote] Yeah, but what i'm saying is I report you lets say because you said something that is offensive to me but doesn't break the rules and they see that then I get banned not you.[/quote] Technically the rules say "don't be a jerk" so if I said something offensive I would be breaking the rules. The only way i see around it is if I said something that was not meant to be offensive but was taken the wrong way or the person who posted it did not mean it in the sense of how it was presented. This happens a lot and it is no big deal. People like to joke, kid around, but sometimes it can go too far. But I think if you get offended by something, it is best to ignore it and report it. If it continues to happen, report it to a ninja. The problem is if people learn they can get away with saying stuff, they will keep doing it. [/quote] Until they get bored or cross a line. I can pester someone well below the line of the rules and get a heated reaction from them, and I will keep doing it. However, if I am ignored, I'll get bored. I don't even know why I am explaining this. What you said is technically right, but short-sighted. Yes, people will skirt the line, but only if it suits them. You ignore this part, so you argument isn't really valid. Besides, you didn't even make an argument. The only thing I can really extrapolate from your post is that you want people punished for getting away with being a jerk. Might not be what you were trying to say, but you need to clarify.

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