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Edited by FoMan123:
1/3/2014 11:50:53 PM
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So many people are quick to trash "casual" gamers who don't play [insert game franchise here] as somehow not being dedicated enough to gaming to be allowed to claim the "gamer" title. But that's a load of bollocks, really, isn't it?
I mean, I'm pretty old by the standards of people who enjoy video games enough to post on forums about them. Every day, I talk to dozens of people who never played a 90s Cliffy B-era Epic Megagames PC platformer. I bet only a handful of people on this site have even [i]heard[/i] of Jill of the Jungle or Xargon or Jazz Jackrabbit, let alone played them through. But they call themselves "hardcore" gamers because they've played all of the however many CoD titles there are, which are so mainstream that it's laughable.
"Hardcore" is such an arbitrary standard. In my mind, if you want to play mainstream shooters and claim that you're a real gamer, you don't really have a leg to stand on when bashing people who enjoy Wii games or handhelds - or hell, even phone games, for that matter. If you weren't around for when gaming as we know it today was actually starting up, maybe you shouldn't be so quick to throw stones. Maybe we should all stop trying to judge who deserves to be called a real gamer and who doesn't and just enjoy our hobbies, right?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hoggs Bison [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Co M4N Then why can't you "Live and let live" people who have a different opinion to you about how casuals are ruining the industry? Fail logic is fail. [/quote] Because opinions aren't equally valid. Just because Person A and Person B have different opinions, doesn't mean they're equally right. For example, "ruining the industry" isn't grounded in any kind of reality. There's more variety and creativity in gaming than we've seen ever before. We're finding new ways to play and new ways to play with other people. A growing audience is bringing much-needed diversity to the world of game development. But Co M4N is mad at CoD and Angry Birds, so his opinion matters just as much. [/quote]Reminds me of a great bit by Dara O'Briain, who is a fantastic Irish comedian, where he discusses the ridiculous idea that for the sake of "balance", we need to consider the opinions of people who are uneducated, ignorant or just plain wrong as somehow equally as valid as the opinions of (for example) scientists who are at the top of their respective fields. Not all opinions are equally valid. Someone who says that the gaming industry is being ruined forever by people who play Angry Birds obviously doesn't have a leg to stand on, whereas someone who points out that people playing Angry Birds aren't preventing anyone from pouring hundreds of hours into innovative indie titles or award-winning RPGs is quite clearly backed up by reality. The reason I haven't responded to anyone in this thread who's gotten mad at me for my opinion is that I already know I'm right, and I feel no need to further convince myself.[/quote] You are such an ignorant mother -blam!-, I know this thread was all to get people mad and to get attention from complete strangers to make yourself feel like people acknowledge you. If you are going to make a thread like this at least reply to people that put up a good counter argument. If not go attention whore somewhere else.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] I AM THOR [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Doctor Jensen So let me get this straight, you're basically saying that anyone who didn't play games when the older games were released aren't hardcore gamers? You're also saying that just because someone plays mainstream games, it means they're not hardcore? Sure. I knew you were bad at trolling Jay, but at least try a little bit. any person with a small amount of intelligence should be able to see that every thread you make is a troll thread.[/quote]I can see how someone who is incapable of understanding the point of any thread I make would feel angry and confused, and therefore come to conclusion that every thread I make is a troll thread. Beyond feeling sorry for you, there's really not much more I can do. :([/quote] Get off your high horse. You made an insulting thread that generalized entire groups of people, and you posted it in a way you knew would get people's jimmies rustled. [/quote]This is the way of Jay.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Scottus4 Just an FYI, MLG specifically goes after games that have mainstream appeal. If they cared about having the best competitive shooter on the circuit, they would probably have Counterstrike. [/quote]MLG is not hardcore, it's tryhard attention-whoring galore.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NinjaLord77 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NinjaLord77 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NinjaLord77 Halo lost a whole lot of fans when they removed the 1-50 system.[/quote] Yeah who would've thought removing a good reason to get better would do that. [/quote] People didn't like that. It was better when it was split between ranked and social playlists. [/quote] Because that was the best way to do it. This credit/point system is annoying. I like to win and don't want people just coming in a game just to suck a nut and not care. [/quote] Sucks when you get the highest rank and you don't have to do anything. I can sit in a corner and still get to SR130. [/quote] Exactly. I put up games where I go 25-2 and such but the guys who lost us the game ranks up just the same.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monitor 16807 Games should be catered to hardcore gamers because they're the only who care about the finer details and are the ones who appreciate quality games. Casual gamers will have fun regardless of how much effort went into making a game. Like people who don't see the difference between Inglorious Basterds and Step Up.[/quote] Just an FYI, MLG specifically goes after games that have mainstream appeal. If they cared about having the best competitive shooter on the circuit, they would probably have Counterstrike.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Doctor Jensen So let me get this straight, you're basically saying that anyone who didn't play games when the older games were released aren't hardcore gamers? You're also saying that just because someone plays mainstream games, it means they're not hardcore? Sure. I knew you were bad at trolling Jay, but at least try a little bit. any person with a small amount of intelligence should be able to see that every thread you make is a troll thread.[/quote]I can see how someone who is incapable of understanding the point of any thread I make would feel angry and confused, and therefore come to conclusion that every thread I make is a troll thread. Beyond feeling sorry for you, there's really not much more I can do. :([/quote] Adorable. No legitimate response so you insult his intelligence. GG [/quote]>summarised my point several times ITT, including within the OP >he responds to what he thinks my point was >it wasn't my point What legitimate response is there other than "you missed my point"? I can't exactly have a discussion with someone who thinks we're having a totally different discussion.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NinjaLord77 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NinjaLord77 Halo lost a whole lot of fans when they removed the 1-50 system.[/quote] Yeah who would've thought removing a good reason to get better would do that. [/quote] People didn't like that. It was better when it was split between ranked and social playlists. [/quote] Because that was the best way to do it. This credit/point system is annoying. I like to win and don't want people just coming in a game just to suck a nut and not care. [/quote] Sucks when you get the highest rank and you don't have to do anything. I can sit in a corner and still get to SR130.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Doctor Jensen So let me get this straight, you're basically saying that anyone who didn't play games when the older games were released aren't hardcore gamers? You're also saying that just because someone plays mainstream games, it means they're not hardcore? Sure. I knew you were bad at trolling Jay, but at least try a little bit. any person with a small amount of intelligence should be able to see that every thread you make is a troll thread.[/quote]I can see how someone who is incapable of understanding the point of any thread I make would feel angry and confused, and therefore come to conclusion that every thread I make is a troll thread. Beyond feeling sorry for you, there's really not much more I can do. :([/quote]Yet you didn't address the two points I did make. Look at the first paragraph.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Doctor Jensen So let me get this straight, you're basically saying that anyone who didn't play games when the older games were released aren't hardcore gamers? You're also saying that just because someone plays mainstream games, it means they're not hardcore? Sure. I knew you were bad at trolling Jay, but at least try a little bit. any person with a small amount of intelligence should be able to see that every thread you make is a troll thread.[/quote]I can see how someone who is incapable of understanding the point of any thread I make would feel angry and confused, and therefore come to conclusion that every thread I make is a troll thread. Beyond feeling sorry for you, there's really not much more I can do. :([/quote] Get off your high horse. You made an insulting thread that generalized entire groups of people, and you posted it in a way you knew would get people's jimmies rustled. This whole thread is basically you getting angry over imaginary titles people have created to classify themselves. Besides, your OP is completely inaccurate anyways, as no "hardcore" gamer insults people who just play say Angry Birds. I dont' even think you understand how "hardcore" and "casual" are used for gaming, especially in this forum. [Edited on 01.07.2013 6:58 PM PST]
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Casual sounds like such a filthy word. Social gamers sounds better.
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What the hell are you PMSing about?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NinjaLord77 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NinjaLord77 Halo lost a whole lot of fans when they removed the 1-50 system.[/quote] Yeah who would've thought removing a good reason to get better would do that. [/quote] People didn't like that. It was better when it was split between ranked and social playlists. [/quote] Because that was the best way to do it. This credit/point system is annoying. I like to win and don't want people just coming in a game just to suck a nut and not care.
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My issue with "hardcore" gamers these days is that they are too picky with their games. Every little thing becomes a big issue and they suddenly don't like the game anymore, and it is deemed "unplayable" because of it. If you were a hardcore gamer, or even a real gamer, you'd learn to adapt to it, and overcome, or deal with the "issue" otherwise, you're just a pissy casual game player.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Doctor Jensen So let me get this straight, you're basically saying that anyone who didn't play games when the older games were released aren't hardcore gamers? You're also saying that just because someone plays mainstream games, it means they're not hardcore? Sure. I knew you were bad at trolling Jay, but at least try a little bit. any person with a small amount of intelligence should be able to see that every thread you make is a troll thread.[/quote]I can see how someone who is incapable of understanding the point of any thread I make would feel angry and confused, and therefore come to conclusion that every thread I make is a troll thread. Beyond feeling sorry for you, there's really not much more I can do. :([/quote] Adorable. No legitimate response so you insult his intelligence. GG
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Doctor Jensen So let me get this straight, you're basically saying that anyone who didn't play games when the older games were released aren't hardcore gamers? You're also saying that just because someone plays mainstream games, it means they're not hardcore? Sure. I knew you were bad at trolling Jay, but at least try a little bit. any person with a small amount of intelligence should be able to see that every thread you make is a troll thread.[/quote]I can see how someone who is incapable of understanding the point of any thread I make would feel angry and confused, and therefore come to conclusion that every thread I make is a troll thread. Beyond feeling sorry for you, there's really not much more I can do. :(
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Games should be catered to hardcore gamers because they're the only who care about the finer details and are the ones who appreciate quality games. Casual gamers will have fun regardless of how much effort went into making a game. Like people who don't see the difference between Inglorious Basterds and Step Up.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NinjaLord77 Halo lost a whole lot of fans when they removed the 1-50 system.[/quote] Yeah who would've thought removing a good reason to get better would do that. [/quote] People didn't like that. It was better when it was split between ranked and social playlists.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kai Hiwatari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kai Hiwatari 1v1 me irl[/quote] Name the time place and wall. [/quote] Whitest place you know. Tomorrow, I need sleep ATM.[/quote] pppffftt. Making excuses already huh? GG
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kai Hiwatari 1v1 me irl[/quote] Name the time place and wall. [/quote] Whitest place you know. Tomorrow, I need sleep ATM.
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The term "gamer" is nothing more than a mere title. It's only a hobby, not a profession. I don't see the big deal. It's like the term "girl gamer". We don't go around calling guys who cook, male chefs, do we? With that said, I only consider "hardcore" gamers to be people who put a lot of time into gaming. While "casual" gamers are people who only play here and there. Everyone got their own definitions though. I don't tend to put titles on something so insignificant anyways. Like I said, it's only a hobby.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NinjaLord77 Halo lost a whole lot of fans when they removed the 1-50 system.[/quote] Yeah who would've thought removing a good reason to get better would do that.
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So let me get this straight, you're basically saying that anyone who didn't play games when the older games were released aren't hardcore gamers? You're also saying that just because someone plays mainstream games, it means they're not hardcore? Sure. I knew you were bad at trolling Jay, but at least try a little bit. any person with a small amount of intelligence should be able to see that every thread you make is a troll thread.
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Halo lost a whole lot of fans when they removed the 1-50 system.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] I AM THOR [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid I already know I'm right, and I feel no need to further convince myself.[/quote] LMAO[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid I already know I'm right, and I feel no need to further convince myself.[/quote] LMAO
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When you talk about a hardcore gamer, it depends on whether you put the focus on the word hardcore or on the word gamer. "Hardcore" gamers are young poop in a sock gamers who take modern FPS games too seriously. They put too much focus on being hardcore and not enough on being gamers. Personally I find it a sad existence to only play shooters when there are a variety of different types of video game content out there.
