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Edited by FoMan123:
1/3/2014 11:50:53 PM
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So many people are quick to trash "casual" gamers who don't play [insert game franchise here] as somehow not being dedicated enough to gaming to be allowed to claim the "gamer" title. But that's a load of bollocks, really, isn't it?
I mean, I'm pretty old by the standards of people who enjoy video games enough to post on forums about them. Every day, I talk to dozens of people who never played a 90s Cliffy B-era Epic Megagames PC platformer. I bet only a handful of people on this site have even [i]heard[/i] of Jill of the Jungle or Xargon or Jazz Jackrabbit, let alone played them through. But they call themselves "hardcore" gamers because they've played all of the however many CoD titles there are, which are so mainstream that it's laughable.
"Hardcore" is such an arbitrary standard. In my mind, if you want to play mainstream shooters and claim that you're a real gamer, you don't really have a leg to stand on when bashing people who enjoy Wii games or handhelds - or hell, even phone games, for that matter. If you weren't around for when gaming as we know it today was actually starting up, maybe you shouldn't be so quick to throw stones. Maybe we should all stop trying to judge who deserves to be called a real gamer and who doesn't and just enjoy our hobbies, right?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monitor 16807 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] halo3genius I don't find that to be entirely true. According to a couple of competitive gamers, I'm considered a casual. By your logic, I don't care about how much "effort" is put into a game. I'll just have fun. No, that's not true.[/quote]There is a thing between hardcore and casual. It's not one or the other.[/quote] No, hardcore and casual is not a thing.
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So what you're saying is, retards are retarded. Yup, most of us have understood that for a longg time now.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] halo3genius I don't find that to be entirely true. According to a couple of competitive gamers, I'm considered a casual. By your logic, I don't care about how much "effort" is put into a game. I'll just have fun. No, that's not true.[/quote]There is a thing between hardcore and casual. It's not one or the other.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BLZL [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid Maybe we should all stop trying to judge who deserves to be called a real gamer and who doesn't and just enjoy our hobbies, right?[/quote] Pretty much this. That goes for that other filthy word too, "casual".[/quote] Such a filthy word
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OP, get off your high horse. You made an insulting thread that generalized entire groups of people, and you posted it in a way you knew would get people's jimmies rustled. This whole thread is basically you getting angry over imaginary titles people have created to classify themselves. Besides, your OP is completely inaccurate anyways, as no "hardcore" gamer insults people who just play say Angry Birds. I dont' even think you understand how "hardcore" and "casual" are used for gaming, especially in this forum.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid Maybe we should all stop trying to judge who deserves to be called a real gamer and who doesn't and just enjoy our hobbies, right?[/quote] Pretty much this. That goes for that other filthy word too, "casual".
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People arguing in Jay's threads. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nAlXRfmATPs#t=601s]Let me show you my big surprised face[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] I AM THOR [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Co M4N You are such an ignorant mother -blam!-, I know this thread was all to get people mad and to get attention from complete strangers to make yourself feel like people acknowledge you. If you are going to make a thread like this at least reply to people that put up a good counter argument. If not go attention whore somewhere else. [/quote]Counter arguments to arguments I never made aren't good arguments, sorry.[/quote] Lol at you ignoring my post, and you still not addressing Doctor Jensen's points in his first paragraph. [/quote]His points that may as well have been made in a completely different thread, for all the relation they had to my OP? Nah.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] halo3genius [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold Remember the Titans was a good movie.[/quote] Dammit, Simba. [quote]Yeah you're right. That's why I don't care about doing what I did when I was in TFS. The truth is the truth. It's just people like the OP who like to overreact (or pretend to, I never take her seriously) to minor things that mean absolutely nothing.[/quote] Eh, we all have something to say. It's just whether or not anyone wants to hear it. A lot of people don't like to hear it.[/quote] I know. But I left so yeah. And it was a good movie dammit.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold Remember the Titans was a good movie.[/quote] Dammit, Simba. [quote]Yeah you're right. That's why I don't care about doing what I did when I was in TFS. The truth is the truth. It's just people like the OP who like to overreact (or pretend to, I never take her seriously) to minor things that mean absolutely nothing.[/quote] Eh, we all have something to say. It's just whether or not anyone wants to hear it. A lot of people don't like to hear it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] I AM THOR [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid I already know I'm right, and I feel no need to further convince myself.[/quote] LMAO[/quote][/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monitor 16807 Casual gamers will have fun regardless of how much effort went into making a game.[/quote] I don't find that to be entirely true. According to a couple of competitive gamers, I'm considered a casual. By your logic, I don't care about how much "effort" is put into a game. I'll just have fun. No, that's not true. I sure as hell don't have fun trying to play Call of Duty, and personally I wasn't entirely satisfied with the last Crash Bandicoot game to come out.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Co M4N You are such an ignorant mother -blam!-, I know this thread was all to get people mad and to get attention from complete strangers to make yourself feel like people acknowledge you. If you are going to make a thread like this at least reply to people that put up a good counter argument. If not go attention whore somewhere else. [/quote]Counter arguments to arguments I never made aren't good arguments, sorry.[/quote] Lol at you ignoring my post, and you still not addressing Doctor Jensen's points in his first paragraph. [Edited on 01.07.2013 7:06 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] halo3genius [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] halo3genius What's funnier is that supposedly, they determine what makes a game competitive. What's also funny is the conception of the word "casual" in gaming terms. I still can't get a concrete definition because it differs with each big-egoed bigot that calls themselves a competitive gamer.[/quote] That's why it's stupid for anybody to ever care one way or another. I am competitive in the sense I play to win the game (hello) Am I hardcore? No. Am I casual? No. I play video games. That's that. [/quote] And that's how I feel. This whole segregation thing is what sparks elitism. No one is better than anyone else here, and in the end, we all bleed, so what's it matter.[/quote] Remember the Titans was a good movie. Yeah you're right. That's why I don't care about doing what I did when I was in TFS. The truth is the truth. It's just people like the OP who like to overreact (or pretend to, I never take her seriously) to minor things that mean absolutely nothing.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Co M4N You are such an ignorant mother -blam!-, I know this thread was all to get people mad and to get attention from complete strangers to make yourself feel like people acknowledge you. If you are going to make a thread like this at least reply to people that put up a good counter argument. If not go attention whore somewhere else. [/quote]Counter arguments to arguments I never made aren't good arguments, sorry.
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i thought this thread was about games not petty squabbles.......
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] doogoon Hardcore anything is sad and annoying. Just enjoy your freaking hobby without needing to poop on others for not being as good as you.[/quote] says the guy who always puts done people for not having the same level collection of something as him. [/quote] No, I put down people for owning knives that don't cut.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid Maybe we should all stop trying to judge who deserves to be called a real gamer and who doesn't and just enjoy our hobbies, right?[/quote]Enjoyment...? What the hell are talking about?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simba Too Cold [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] halo3genius What's funnier is that supposedly, they determine what makes a game competitive. What's also funny is the conception of the word "casual" in gaming terms. I still can't get a concrete definition because it differs with each big-egoed bigot that calls themselves a competitive gamer.[/quote] That's why it's stupid for anybody to ever care one way or another. I am competitive in the sense I play to win the game (hello) Am I hardcore? No. Am I casual? No. I play video games. That's that. [/quote] And that's how I feel. This whole segregation thing is what sparks elitism. No one is better than anyone else here, and in the end, we all bleed, so what's it matter.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] doogoon Hardcore anything is sad and annoying. Just enjoy your freaking hobby without needing to poop on others for not being as good as you.[/quote] says the guy who always puts done people for not having the same level collection of something as him.
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One time this guy was getting betrayed so I went after the person who was trying to betray him. Then the guy who was getting betrayed comes and starts to shoot me. Is this the way of the casual?
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Hardcore anything is sad and annoying. Just enjoy your freaking hobby without needing to poop on others for not being as good as you.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monitor 16807 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Scottus4 Just an FYI, MLG specifically goes after games that have mainstream appeal. If they cared about having the best competitive shooter on the circuit, they would probably have Counterstrike. [/quote]MLG is not hardcore, it's tryhard attention-whoring galore.[/quote] Totally feel you on that.
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Games in general are dumbed down for a wussier generation. Remember Contra? Didn't have your infinite continues like we do these days. A -blam!--ton of lives, maybe, but not infinite.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ankerd123 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] copaka12 I am constantly crapped on for mostly playing single player games. or old ones. I maintain armored core 4 is more enjoyable than halo 4.[/quote] Playing with a stick IRL is funner than Halo 4.[/quote] Watching paint dry is more fun than Halo 4.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jaythenerdkid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hoggs Bison [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Co M4N Then why can't you "Live and let live" people who have a different opinion to you about how casuals are ruining the industry? Fail logic is fail. [/quote] Because opinions aren't equally valid. Just because Person A and Person B have different opinions, doesn't mean they're equally right. For example, "ruining the industry" isn't grounded in any kind of reality. There's more variety and creativity in gaming than we've seen ever before. We're finding new ways to play and new ways to play with other people. A growing audience is bringing much-needed diversity to the world of game development. But Co M4N is mad at CoD and Angry Birds, so his opinion matters just as much. [/quote]Reminds me of a great bit by Dara O'Briain, who is a fantastic Irish comedian, where he discusses the ridiculous idea that for the sake of "balance", we need to consider the opinions of people who are uneducated, ignorant or just plain wrong as somehow equally as valid as the opinions of (for example) scientists who are at the top of their respective fields. Not all opinions are equally valid. Someone who says that the gaming industry is being ruined forever by people who play Angry Birds obviously doesn't have a leg to stand on, whereas someone who points out that people playing Angry Birds aren't preventing anyone from pouring hundreds of hours into innovative indie titles or award-winning RPGs is quite clearly backed up by reality. The reason I haven't responded to anyone in this thread who's gotten mad at me for my opinion is that I already know I'm right, and I feel no need to further convince myself.[/quote] You are such an ignorant mother -blam!-, I know this thread was all to get people mad and to get attention from complete strangers to make yourself feel like people acknowledge you. If you are going to make a thread like this at least reply to people that put up a good counter argument. If not go attention whore somewhere else.
