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12/2/2012 9:41:51 PM
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Is She really dead? (spoilers)
SPOILERS
I mean cortana's demise on halo4. Is she really dead?. I know you guys have better understanding of the halo universe than me.
Do you tuhink she will ever comeback?
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I can see there being a replacement Cortana that might come at odds with Chief and he might reject it in favor for his memories of Cortana in the past trilogy, but I think that's what people might be missing. imo, Cortana is [b]dead[/b]. She's not coming back. She is, pure and simply, dead and... deleted... whatever happens to computer programs and other artificial lifeforms. To spoil Mass Effect 3 here quickly [b]AND YES, I AM SPOILING A MASS EFFECT 3 THING HERE[/b], she's going to be something more along the lines of Legion, imo, where she's dead but the [i]memory[/i] of her lives on. While she's not exactly like our Geth buddy Legion in that her death brought about the sentience of the Geth, I feel that her death will be referenced and used as a focal point to develop John over the course of the new trilogy. He'll probably be haunted by her final words and have to cope with the death of, literally, his best friend since Blue Team for the entirety of the Human-Covenant War's end. As we could plainly see at 4's end, John was simply hiding his grief from Lasky with his usual wall of stoicism; I think he's broken inside, moreso than usual. imo, 343i would be shooting themselves in the foot if they killed off Cortana only to bring her back in 5 or 6 in any way, shape, or form. If anything, I see Chief's development being something similar to Church's from the popular Halo webseries [i]Red vs. Blue[/i], where the entire point of 5 and 6, along with fighting Storm Covies and whatever else the UNSC feels the need to throw their biggest asset at, is getting OVER her death. To reconcile and move on with his life. [i]"No, Tex, no. I'm not going to say I love you. I'm going to say I forget you. I forget you. ... I'm letting go." - Epsilon Church (Red vs. Blue Season 9 Finale)[/i]
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I like the idea that was suggested in which H5 does see a replacement Cortana in an attempt to get Chief back in service. As he seems a little 'off' at the end in which he just stares out of the window. Except this new Cortana will be like the old Cortana mentioned that it'll look like her but it won't have the memories that bonded them. So you may get a mission with this new Cortana but she's cold, calculating and condescending. I imagine a scene playing out where Halsey is observing John whilst the new Cortana appears in front of him. After John realizes it isn't her. He simply walks away from the pedestal and leaves the room. After that they could either pair him with a brand new AI (please not Roland) or have a different pairing such as Lasky or Thel Vadam
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DonVinzone1 I doubt she's dead. I bet the Librarian has made a copy of her. After all: Cortana offers the Librarian the most complete database of mankind and our history and progress that she can get her hands on in her isolation. Her splitting up in the Forerunner network also leads me to believe there are pieces of her scattered around. Will we see her return in her recognizable shape? Doubtful. Although the glimpse of the "Promethean" AI we've seen in this week's SO episode did look remarkably similar to Cortana... My guess however is that she will play an important background role. Working from within the Promethean/Forerunner network to aid Chief during H5 and 6. With her actions being revealed during H6.[/quote] Seems legit. Maybe her actions would be displayed at the end of Halo 5 to add a second pupose to Chief's struggles in Halo 6, to save Cortana.
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Still I doubt that piece of dialogue wasn't foreshadowing something... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mister Rollback I'm just saying it's she said that they deemed it impossible for the composer to revert composed data back into a biological form. There may be a way.[/quote] No, she said it was a perfectly viable option that they attempted, but "the Composer's results soured," which turned those who were being restored into "abominations".[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mister Rollback I'm just saying it's she said that they deemed it impossible for the composer to revert composed data back into a biological form. There may be a way.[/quote] No, she said it was a perfectly viable option that they attempted, but "the Composer's results soured," which turned those who were being restored into "abominations".
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I'm just saying it's she said that they deemed it impossible for the composer to revert composed data back into a biological form. There may be a way.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mister Rollback Yes, but what if they find a way. What if the librarian isn't telling the whole truth.[/quote] Er... how exactly would this make any sense? The Librarian was about to explain everything to John before the Didact showed up. Why would she lie about the Composer? The Terminals and Primordium depict its usage pretty damn clearly, not to mention the scene at the end of the penultimate mission where everyone has their flesh gradually burned off them while their bones disintegrate into piles of dust. "Such moral concerns faded from the Didact's attention," because the Composer would grant him "his solution and his revenge". You're twisting facts to theories rather than theories to fact.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] I Lucky Punk My theory of what's going to happen started at the beginning when Halsey mentions the thing about "providing the tools to maintain that stability." However, because his "efficiency" will slowly be declining due to his lack of an AI, he will become weaker or homicidal. (I honestly don't know which. Spartans are trained killers and due to the massive amounts of testings that were performed on them, they may not be able to stay sane without an AI; however, I do not believe the new Spartans have AI's. But, other Spartans are not the Chief, he is one of a kind so his becoming insane or homicidal could be justified, although only loosely, in this way. There is also the point that he may get depressed leading to inefficiency in combat.) [/quote] You are utterly mislead. You might be correct about the developing of the story, however: Spartan 2's do NOT need AI's to be kept sane. AI's are there to improve their reflexes and to hack into enemy systems (the intel part doesn't really require an integrated AI) If for some reason Chief would go "insane" it would be because he has a special bond with cortana. But that would just be his human part, to be more precise: "love". I really don't understand where you got the idea that spartan 2's need AI's to stay sane. The first time cortana was integrated within the chief was in 2552 (correct me if i'm wrong) just before the fall of reach. That also was the first time any smart AI was integrated within a spartan 2 (also correct me if i'm wrong here), either way: spartan 2's functioned perfectly fine for at least 30 years without the help of any integrated AI.
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Yes, I'm sure she's dead. And it'd be really stupid if she came back somehow.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Terren_117 In my personal opinion, I do not believe she is dead. There is no way they would kill her off. That along with the dual-nature of the Composer, there is a high probability in my mind that she is alive.[/quote] This dude is right, the composer turns organic into AI, such as humans into knights. But it also turns AI's (like i dunno Cortana) into organics. I think we may see an organic Cortana before the end of halo 6.[/quote] "Our attempts to return them to organic forms, created only abominations." Composer could never return AI's to biological.[/quote] Yes, but what if they find a way. What if the librarian isn't telling the whole truth. My best guess is that there is more to the story, and that something else happened when the librarian "kidnapped" cortana during the halo 4 campaign.
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I think it would be pretty deluded of 343 to kill a main character off in the first game of a trilogy. And personally No Cortana =/= Halo. I think it is pretty certain she will be back, considering they hyped her up being this purposefully seeded ancilla, if they then U-turn and just kill her off I will be laughing for ages.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] halo odst 117 MC for sure ... I think.[/quote] :P
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My theory is that another Cortana will be created for him, the same or at least similar way as before, from Dr Halesey's own DNA. Then this new cortana will eventually somehow re-gain her memories.
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She is alive that's for sure I think.
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Does anyone else agree that we'll most likely see the Master Chief turned into an outcast almost in Halo 5 and Halo 6? Remember, we heard that they (the interrogators, whoever they are) are trying to replace the Master Chief and essentially all SPARTAN-II's. At least, this is my thought process. With the attempt to decommission the Master Chief, I really do think he will almost go rogue. Apart from having what little help Lasky will most likely give him. Remember, Lasky's past will continue to play a huge part in aiding the Master Chief. That bond that was made in the past will continue to hold strong. I do agree with I Lucky Punk in the fact that he will have virtually no help from the UNSC. His only help will come from Dr. Halsey though, if at all any, and whatever remnants there are from Blue Team. We have to take into consideration that if Dr. Halsey made it off of the Sphere that the rest of Blue Team did. What their status is, we don't know. We can only assume that they've been debriefed and possibly forced into decommission. But, what will happen once they get word of their leader being back on Earth? Just open speculation from me..
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] I Lucky Punk[/quote]I think you are on the right track. I envsion a scenario like Spock's in Star Trek 2, 3, and 4. This part is the important forshadowing: [quote]In Halo 5, Master Chief will get a new AI; however, because of what Cortana said during the seventh mission of H4: "you know it's not going to be me right? it'll look like me...,"[/quote]
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I hope she stays dead. The ending was a well executed and sad scene, one of the better in the series. Brining Cortana back would cheapen it, especially because it is said repeatedly that Cortana is dead, having been on Didact's ship when it blew up.
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She's dead. Chief's pissed. You don't want Chief pissed.
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[quote] it's possible she'll spend her time in slipspace trying to make the Didact see reason and join humanity. [/quote] Impossible. The Didact is still alive. After the credits when it showed the monologue of Didact, it was him facing a court of other Forerunners. I have no idea where this might be, but he's still alive. As are other Forerunners. And Chief's out for bloody revenge.
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I doubt she's dead. I bet the Librarian has made a copy of her. After all: Cortana offers the Librarian the most complete database of mankind and our history and progress that she can get her hands on in her isolation. Her splitting up in the Forerunner network also leads me to believe there are pieces of her scattered around. Will we see her return in her recognizable shape? Doubtful. Although the glimpse of the "Promethean" AI we've seen in this week's SO episode did look remarkably similar to Cortana... My guess however is that she will play an important background role. Working from within the Promethean/Forerunner network to aid Chief during H5 and 6. With her actions being revealed during H6.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SCORCHHEAD Expect an even weaker story in H5 and 6. Know knowing 343 and microsoft, theyll probably bring her back somehow. Also, how the hell did chief escape anyway in the end?[/quote] I love how you're calling the story weak when you're asking questions that you would know if you just paid attention.
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I thought the ending showed her as an organic.
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I'm sorry, I actually Liked it that way in 3, Cortana was lika a damn baby sitter, and to be able to rescue her at least once, I think they did that in a good way.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlackKnightKanos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SCORCHHEAD Expect an even weaker story in H5 and 6. Know knowing 343 and microsoft, theyll probably bring her back somehow. Also, how the hell did chief escape anyway in the end?[/quote] Cortana manipulated the hard light shield to protect Chief from the nuke. Apparently, hard light is the outer covering shield they use for those indestructible Forerunner environments. [/quote] Okay, thanks man. Glad thats been cleared up.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlackKnightKanos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SCORCHHEAD Expect an even weaker story in H5 and 6. Know knowing 343 and microsoft, theyll probably bring her back somehow. Also, how the hell did chief escape anyway in the end?[/quote] Cortana manipulated the hard light shield to protect Chief from the nuke. Apparently, hard light is the outer covering shield they use for those indestructible Forerunner environments. [/quote] The funny thing is Cortana actually tells you right before that sequence that a nuclear bomb would be useless on a hardlight shield. She also teleports him out of the ship, because if you look closely through the shield, he's in space. So why people are still confused about this is beyond me.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SCORCHHEAD Expect an even weaker story in H5 and 6. Know knowing 343 and microsoft, theyll probably bring her back somehow. Also, how the hell did chief escape anyway in the end?[/quote] Cortana manipulated the hard light shield to protect Chief from the nuke. Apparently, hard light is the outer covering shield they use for those indestructible Forerunner environments.
