[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] n00b 0f d00m ****************************** ****************************** ******************************[/quote] It's strange you know... It seems all those reports state that the people committing those atrocities are all at "THE END OF THE ROAD" and had no intention of continuing on. With that being said.. whats to stop a psycho like that? They are literally without fear at that point! Certainly no law is going to alter the way a person who is in that state behaves. When you are face to face with an individual who is basically a Jason Vorheese and on a mass execution run, How many ways can you think of to stop him... In a gun free zone?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlazingAngel94 The 2nd Amendment was created in belief form our Founding Fathers that people have the right to DEFEND themselves with a firearm. Now, there's nothing wrong to use guns for recreational activity, such as hunting and target practice, but that's the only other time you should be using a firearm if you are not in a defensive situation. [/quote]>laughingblams.jpg >he hasn't heard of the Mosin Nagant 91/30 tentpole, boat oar, firewood, spear, club, and rifle, by Sergei Mosin's powers combined... Captain Mosin!

So if you make guns illegal, what is stopping the people, who get there guns illegally in the first place, and intend on harming someone? The people who are going to murder people with guns aren't going to really care if they break another law getting the gun. It's the same thing with drugs. Tell me, out of all you people in Anti-Gun countries, would go out and buy a gun and shoot everyone one you saw if they made owning a gun legal?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwiggyShip You can't deny that the laws are a little lax when Holmes bought 6,000 rounds with so much as a pay-pal payment. Surely someone should be monitoring for purchases like that.[/quote]you realize that isn't a lot of ammo right? it was mostly cheap as s*** birdshot(typically $5/25 [b]anywheres[b]) and pistol ammo. had it not been for his sh***y AR-15 and jammomatic Beta-C mag, he would have killed more

The 2nd Amendment was created in belief form our Founding Fathers that people have the right to DEFEND themselves with a firearm. Now, there's nothing wrong to use guns for recreational activity, such as hunting and target practice, but that's the only other time you should be using a firearm if you are not in a defensive situation.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Like it matters. We as a species have proven ourselves too stupid to be allowed to continue living. Give guns to everyone. Speed the process up.[/quote] Actually, that just might slow things down...[/quote]Nope. Solving a gun problem with more guns doesn't sound like a good idea when guns are a problem.[/quote] Guns aren't the problem, a small group of people who partake in illegal activities are the problem. my 12 gauge shotgun has never caused a problem, my ammo has, some of it doesn't like to eject. My Mosin Nagant has never caused a problem, except maybe to a German, or some dirty Russian it failed to protect. My friends .410 shotgun has never caused a problem. All of the rifles, pistols, and shotguns at my range have never caused a problem. It's people that are the problem, always have been, always will be. Rather then gun control, we need to have gun education. We need to not taboo the subject in schools. In fact, I support a firearms safety class as being a mandatory class in Elementary school. I support college courses that teach people how to shoot different types of firearms with different types of action. Gun control is not the answer, gun education is. The old adage is, "A armed society is a polite society." I can attest to this. Every gun owner I know is incredibly nice, respectful, helpful, and friendly, most gun owners generally are. Yet we are all painted the villain in the media as blood thirsty criminals who want to kill people. That is so far from the truth, it's not even funny anymore. [/quote]Gun education. My god, I agree with you. People need to know what guns are exactly capable of. Although, I'm not saying give everyone a gun but... yeah people need to be informed. Good work sir.[/quote]Exactly, guns are treated like toys today by misinformed youth. You see all of those edgy photos on Facebook and Tumblr with visual customization so it looks all dark and grey with usually some teenager, mostly girls, who pose with guns pointing them at the camera with the finger on the trigger or against their head thinking it's so 'deep', makes me disgusted. People need to be informed, guns aren't toys.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twisted Balls [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twisted Balls [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] roman arrow12 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] crispychicken49 If you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.[/quote] I've never understood this. Of course only outlaws would have guns. In order to own a gun, you would have to break the law, making you an outlaw.[/quote] He pretty much ignores the fact that many European countries make guns illegal, and they hardly have the shooting problems we do. [/quote] No, but they have [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/14000-knife-victims-a-year-860857.html]Knife Crime[/url] [/quote] Yeah I know, but it's a lot harder to commit a massacre with a knife. Just imagine a guy running around shanking people. He wouldnt get too far. And I could better defend myself against a knife. [/quote]i dont know if you know this but [quote]Hungerford massacre Main article: Hungerford massacre In 1987, 27-year-old Michael Ryan, armed with two semi-automatic rifles (a Type 56 sporter, and an M1 carbine), and a Beretta 92 pistol, dressed in combat fatigues and proceeded around the town of Hungerford killing 16 people, wounding fifteen and shooting himself, in what became known as the Hungerford massacre. In the aftermath, the Conservative government passed the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988.[43] This confined semi-automatic and pump-action centre-fire rifles, military weapons firing explosive ammunition, short shotguns that had magazines, and both elevated pump-action and self-loading rifles to the Prohibited category.[44] Registration and secure storage of shotguns held on Shotgun Certificates became required, and shotguns with more than a 2+1 capacity came to need a Firearm Certificate. The law also introduced new restrictions on shotguns. Rifles in .22 rimfire and semi-automatic pistols were unaffected. [edit]Dunblane massacre Main article: Dunblane massacre On 13 March 1996, Thomas Hamilton, aged 43, a former scout leader who had been ousted by The Scout Association five years previously, shot dead sixteen young children and their teacher, Gweneth Mayor, in Dunblane Primary School's gymnasium with two Browning Hi-Power 9 mm pistols and two S&W .357 Magnum revolvers. He then shot himself. There is a memorial to the seventeen victims in the local cemetery and a cenotaph in the cathedral. The funds raised in the aftermath of the tragedy have been used to build a new community centre for the town. It was later shown that the gun controls in place at the time were adequate, but failures by the police to properly apply these controls allowed the tragedy.[45] [edit]Cumbria shootings Main article: Cumbria shootings On 2 June 2010, Derek Bird, a 52 year old taxi driver, shot and killed 12 people and injured 11 others while driving through Cumbria. He then shot himself. A licensed firearms holder, Bird's weapons were a 12 gauge double-barreled shotgun and CZ 452-2E ZKM .22-calibre bolt-acton rifle.[/quote] you really wrong

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bradleigh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwiggyShip [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bane The Bug Guy If they didn't sell him a gun, he would have found another way to kill anyway.[/quote] Such a BS argument.[/quote] 2 of the worst massacres in history were committed by explosives, one of those incidents was Fertilizer. [/quote]That doesn't mean that he would find another way to kill them.[/quote] There are other options open. The worst mass killing in American history was perpetrated by 4 men with box cutters. I remember one story from here in California where this man drove his car through a crowded farmers market. I don't remember how many died, but it was a few. The fact is, there are other options available, far more efficient options too. The worst school killing in American history was committed by a man with dynamite.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwiggyShip [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bane The Bug Guy If they didn't sell him a gun, he would have found another way to kill anyway.[/quote] Such a BS argument.[/quote] 2 of the worst massacres in history were committed by explosives, one of those incidents was Fertilizer. [/quote]That doesn't mean that he would find another way to kill them.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Like it matters. We as a species have proven ourselves too stupid to be allowed to continue living. Give guns to everyone. Speed the process up.[/quote] Actually, that just might slow things down...[/quote]Nope. Solving a gun problem with more guns doesn't sound like a good idea when guns are a problem.[/quote] Guns aren't the problem, a small group of people who partake in illegal activities are the problem. my 12 gauge shotgun has never caused a problem, my ammo has, some of it doesn't like to eject. My Mosin Nagant has never caused a problem, except maybe to a German, or some dirty Russian it failed to protect. My friends .410 shotgun has never caused a problem. All of the rifles, pistols, and shotguns at my range have never caused a problem. It's people that are the problem, always have been, always will be. Rather then gun control, we need to have gun education. We need to not taboo the subject in schools. In fact, I support a firearms safety class as being a mandatory class in Elementary school. I support college courses that teach people how to shoot different types of firearms with different types of action. Gun control is not the answer, gun education is. The old adage is, "A armed society is a polite society." I can attest to this. Every gun owner I know is incredibly nice, respectful, helpful, and friendly, most gun owners generally are. Yet we are all painted the villain in the media as blood thirsty criminals who want to kill people. That is so far from the truth, it's not even funny anymore. [/quote]Gun education. My god, I agree with you. People need to know what guns are exactly capable of. Although, I'm not saying give everyone a gun but... yeah people need to be informed. Good work sir.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 To be honest, I'd rather be shot then stabbed. Knife wounds are nasty and do a lot more damage then a copper jacketed 9mm, or green top 5.56 which is designed to penetrate. The thing is, there have been gun related massacres in England. When was it, last year that some jack ass went on a shooting spree with a handgun in the UK? There is a strange correlation with these mass shootings. [u]They always happen in places that enjoy very strict gun control[/u], kind of odd how that works. Remember the Norway shootings? what was it, 78 people died? Norway enjoys strict gun control. Columbine happened on School grounds, which are gun free zones. Virginia Tech was in a gun free zone. The Aurora Theater massacre was in a gun free zone. See the pattern? [/quote]See the underlined stuff? Last time I checked, America didn't have super strict gun control.[/quote] Aurora Colorado has strict Gun control. Schools are vehemently anti-gun. Even pointing your finger and saying bang is grounds for suspension.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Like it matters. We as a species have proven ourselves too stupid to be allowed to continue living. Give guns to everyone. Speed the process up.[/quote] Actually, that just might slow things down...[/quote]Nope. Solving a gun problem with more guns doesn't sound like a good idea when guns are a problem.[/quote] Guns aren't the problem, a small group of people who partake in illegal activities are the problem. my 12 gauge shotgun has never caused a problem, my ammo has, some of it doesn't like to eject. My Mosin Nagant has never caused a problem, except maybe to a German, or some dirty Russian it failed to protect. My friends .410 shotgun has never caused a problem. All of the rifles, pistols, and shotguns at my range have never caused a problem. It's people that are the problem, always have been, always will be. Rather then gun control, we need to have gun education. We need to not taboo the subject in schools. In fact, I support a firearms safety class as being a mandatory class in Elementary school. I support college courses that teach people how to shoot different types of firearms with different types of action. Gun control is not the answer, gun education is. The old adage is, "A armed society is a polite society." I can attest to this. Every gun owner I know is incredibly nice, respectful, helpful, and friendly, most gun owners generally are. Yet we are all painted the villain in the media as blood thirsty criminals who want to kill people. That is so far from the truth, it's not even funny anymore.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 I've seen it, and it made me sick. She had a .38 revolver and was protecting her stores of food. The Police and Army had standing orders to look for people still in the city, if anyone responded to their calls, to kick in their doors, and take their guns. All this while bands of looters were going door to door looking for food and valuables. That little old lady wanted to protect her property and was punched in the face as a result. Yes, I agree, gun control would work on Law Abiding Citizens. Many would give up our guns if the Government asked, I can grantee you that. But then that's only working on the people who were legally owning guns. Why should someone who bought their gun on the black market, or stole it even care about gun confiscation? [/quote] It's her fault it happened to her! She lived in that city and she was there after the disaster struck! She could have moved to a new home before the disaster! I like the one account of where the guy and his neighbor packed their supplies up and left.. Then they were pulled over and the peace keepers smashed the guns on the sidewalk, including the gun that was his neighbors GRANDFATHERS gun, one she inherited as a family keepsake. Such nice and wonderful stories! They sound so wonderful.. Kind of makes you wish it would happen everywhere! Here is a bit of info for you to put some thought into: [b]I wonder what would have happened if a criminal would have stepped up and TURNED IN [u]HIS BLACK MARKET, NO NUMBER, STOLEN FIREARM[/u] to the authorities?[/b]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twisted Balls [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey What on Earth would a DUI have to do with the ability to purchase a weapon? On top of that, why do his opinions, which are protected under the 1st Amendment, disqualify him?[/quote] Logic like this is why America is the way it is. You give a racist who talks about genocide a gun, and then say, "Well the first amendment makes it okay." Man it's hard to take people like this seriously. [/quote] I would rather have people who have radical political and social views who haven't committed any crimes have the right to have a gun than having a Big Brother state which decides that having a opinion which isn't supported by the state is a criminal offense. I don't care if the -blam!- or Black Panther member has a firearm, unless he isn't plotting some scheme to kill people or harming others I think it's ok. The biggest problem with your ideology is that it can get carried away, one day people who belong to a radical political views or belongs to a radical and extremist political or religious group might have some rights and privileges taken away, next day anyone which doesn't follow the government is treated the same.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 To be honest, I'd rather be shot then stabbed. Knife wounds are nasty and do a lot more damage then a copper jacketed 9mm, or green top 5.56 which is designed to penetrate. The thing is, there have been gun related massacres in England. When was it, last year that some jack ass went on a shooting spree with a handgun in the UK? There is a strange correlation with these mass shootings. They always happen in places that enjoy very strict gun control, kind of odd how that works. Remember the Norway shootings? what was it, 78 people died? Norway enjoys strict gun control. Columbine happened on School grounds, which are gun free zones. Virginia Tech was in a gun free zone. The Aurora Theater massacre was in a gun free zone. See the pattern? [/quote] The last three are gun free zones in a pro gun country. If you can get them one part of the country, you can take it to another part regardless of how the property owners feel about it. Also, I think that was the only Norway shooting in recent history. And knife wounds are usually easy to fix. Depending on the bullet, it could rip your insides due to fragmentation.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Like it matters. We as a species have proven ourselves too stupid to be allowed to continue living. Give guns to everyone. Speed the process up.[/quote] Actually, that just might slow things down...[/quote]Nope. Solving a gun problem with more guns doesn't sound like a good idea when guns are a problem.[/quote] Why would I shoot you if you or the surrounding bystanders could just shoot back? Removing guns just seems to give criminals more of an advantage because citizens can't shoot back.

A criminal [i]totally[/i] wouldn't break the law to get his hands on a gun!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 To be honest, I'd rather be shot then stabbed. Knife wounds are nasty and do a lot more damage then a copper jacketed 9mm, or green top 5.56 which is designed to penetrate. The thing is, there have been gun related massacres in England. When was it, last year that some jack ass went on a shooting spree with a handgun in the UK? There is a strange correlation with these mass shootings. [u]They always happen in places that enjoy very strict gun control[/u], kind of odd how that works. Remember the Norway shootings? what was it, 78 people died? Norway enjoys strict gun control. Columbine happened on School grounds, which are gun free zones. Virginia Tech was in a gun free zone. The Aurora Theater massacre was in a gun free zone. See the pattern? [/quote]See the underlined stuff? Last time I checked, America didn't have super strict gun control.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Like it matters. We as a species have proven ourselves too stupid to be allowed to continue living. Give guns to everyone. Speed the process up.[/quote] Actually, that just might slow things down...[/quote]Nope. Solving a gun problem with more guns doesn't sound like a good idea when guns are a problem.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twisted Balls [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twisted Balls [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] roman arrow12 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] crispychicken49 If you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.[/quote] I've never understood this. Of course only outlaws would have guns. In order to own a gun, you would have to break the law, making you an outlaw.[/quote] He pretty much ignores the fact that many European countries make guns illegal, and they hardly have the shooting problems we do. [/quote] No, but they have [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/14000-knife-victims-a-year-860857.html]Knife Crime[/url] [/quote] Yeah I know, but it's a lot harder to commit a massacre with a knife. Just imagine a guy running around shanking people. He wouldnt get too far. And I could better defend myself against a knife. [/quote] To be honest, I'd rather be shot then stabbed. Knife wounds are nasty and do a lot more damage then a copper jacketed 9mm, or green top 5.56 which is designed to penetrate. The thing is, there have been gun related massacres in England. When was it, last year that some jack ass went on a shooting spree with a handgun in the UK? There is a strange correlation with these mass shootings. They always happen in places that enjoy very strict gun control, kind of odd how that works. Remember the Norway shootings? what was it, 78 people died? Norway enjoys strict gun control. Columbine happened on School grounds, which are gun free zones. Virginia Tech was in a gun free zone. The Aurora Theater massacre was in a gun free zone. See the pattern?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Like it matters. We as a species have proven ourselves too stupid to be allowed to continue living. Give guns to everyone. Speed the process up.[/quote] Actually, that just might slow things down...[/quote] May even stop it for the most part. I'd dig that world. [/quote] Sort of like the cold war, except everyone is involved.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pwnage79 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Like it matters. We as a species have proven ourselves too stupid to be allowed to continue living. Give guns to everyone. Speed the process up.[/quote] Actually, that just might slow things down...[/quote] May even stop it for the most part. I'd dig that world.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanMk18 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twisted Balls [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] roman arrow12 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] crispychicken49 If you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.[/quote] I've never understood this. Of course only outlaws would have guns. In order to own a gun, you would have to break the law, making you an outlaw.[/quote] He pretty much ignores the fact that many European countries make guns illegal, and they hardly have the shooting problems we do. [/quote] No, but they have [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/14000-knife-victims-a-year-860857.html]Knife Crime[/url] [/quote] Yeah I know, but it's a lot harder to commit a massacre with a knife. Just imagine a guy running around shanking people. He wouldnt get too far. And I could better defend myself against a knife.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Like it matters. We as a species have proven ourselves too stupid to be allowed to continue living. Give guns to everyone. Speed the process up.[/quote] Actually, that just might slow things down...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twisted Balls [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] roman arrow12 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] crispychicken49 If you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.[/quote] I've never understood this. Of course only outlaws would have guns. In order to own a gun, you would have to break the law, making you an outlaw.[/quote] He pretty much ignores the fact that many European countries make guns illegal, and they hardly have the shooting problems we do. [/quote] No, but they have [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/14000-knife-victims-a-year-860857.html]Knife Crime[/url]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bane The Bug Guy If they didn't sell him a gun, he would have found another way to kill anyway.[/quote]