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7/23/2012 12:54:56 AM
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Should New Members Have To Wait Longer.....
...to post/make threads?
Currently, when a new account is made, the Member must wait 1 day to make threads. However, they can post in threads from the start.
Would it be more beneficial if we delayed that a bit? Maybe make it so you have to wait 3 days to make a thread and 1 day to reply to threads. This could help with two things: making it a bit harder for trolls to make alts, and to ensure that the new member reads the rules.
Adding on to the "reads the rules" theme, I think it would also be beneficial if new members automatically got a message from the Disembodied Soul linking them to the Forum Rules and encouraging them to read it.
What do you think?
-hoobla-
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As for the Op's so called "plan," the trolls have no jurisdiction. They will find The Flood, and make them squeal. And I know the squealers when I see them. [Edited on 07.24.2012 10:55 PM PDT]
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I like this idea, so it can prevent spammers fairly well, like a 3 month wait would be golden.
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No, one day is enough.. if you signed up and had to wait 2 days just to post a thread would you wait? Heck no.
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I think that EvilCam is definitely right. The majority of ideas to resolve this site's trolling issue in this thread are terrible, to be honest. To address the title of this thread: No. Members should not 'wait longer' to post or to participate in Bungie.net. As Cam said, why should new members, with no history of Bungie.net, be punished for wanting to become a member of this website/community? To wish for something like this is ridiculous.
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I think it's wrong to assume that a new member is someone who has just stumbled across the website and instantly joined the site. I think a significant number of members lurk on the website for a while, and then decide that they want to join the conversation, so they create an account. That's the main benefit of an account, now that stat tracking for the most recent Halo games is gone: Being able to participate in the conversation. Having an account doesn't allow you to read the news or lurk on the forums anymore than not having an account does. I understand the "read the rules" sentiment, but it's not like Bungie.net has any special rules that other websites don't. Don't spam, don't troll, don't flame. Those are all pretty much standard rules. The only thing special is "you have no rights, place nice." Whatever you think of that rule, it's so ingrained in the community lexicon at this point that a new member is going to pick it up quickly whether or not they read the rules as soon as they join.
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I'm sure we'll be fine without that system. We've lasted long enough haven't we? Just saying...
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The darkness is starting to get to everyone. I think that your idea for making people wait 3 days to start a thread is a decent one. But let the childeren have their cake, and place no hold upon them that would keep them from giving to the feast of garbage of this place.
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Honestly, I think 1 day is too long; a few hours should suffice. We have moderators for a reason, to fight spam and the bad guys. People should not be restricted in any way from posting abilities, I fear it has an impact on forum activity because some people [b]will[/b] lose interest.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] burritosenior Nah. It's a good base idea, but I don't think it's really what will solve any issues. We need something else to prevent new accounts. I just can't for the life of me think of what. I have no contributions. >.<[/quote]Change the minds into the people so that they are loyal to one account and one account only. It'll work!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] defnop552 I think that a 3 day delay will just make trolls stock up on accounts on 1 day and unleash them all on the same day. But that's just, like, my opinion, man![/quote]
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No. We don't really need that. If there going to troll there going to troll no longer the wait. Besides we have mods for a reason. Doing all the update for a more secure forums would take away there jobs.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] talon2000 What if the user makes an account because they have an issue and are wanting help? They would have to wait 3 days to get that help? [/quote]
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The message is a good idea, but they shouldn't have to stall to ask a question. Most new members sign up to ask a question. The longer they wait, the more likely they'll go to another source for help.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CAVX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 But then at the same time would upvotes in general still be tallied in a manner that all users could see how many upvotes/downvotes a thread/post has?[/quote] In my example, ups/downs would not be visible to the public - you'd only see what you've done. But it doesn't necessarily matter as it pertains to this thread. The bigger idea was that the total votes (from everyone) could be viewed by moderators to help understand trends and general user feedback. My thought was that this information would only be visible to the public on a per-user basis to make the votes more genuine and less influenced, but even if all votes could be seen by the public it'd work the same way.[/quote]You're right, of course. I was just interested in the idea (as I become on many occasions). I do like the idea, though. I mean, there is SOMEWHAT of an open argument as to whether or not people would abuse opinions they don't like but I don't see that as too much of an issue. In fact, I see it more as a non-issue. Sure, it may happen in the Flood but the Ninjas should already know to take things that happen and are reported in the Flood with a grain of salt, and would read posts before making any sort of decisions such as bans, etc.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x 1. Tie user accounts to their cell phone number, make them validate it by inputting a code sent by text message, and allow only one account per phone number. 2. Prohibit new accounts from posting in the Flood Forum -- new threads OR within thread -- for at least 30 days. If the site did these two things, 95% of spam and chronic rulebreaking would be eliminated.[/quote] Foman for president '12
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Sounds good to me. Half the current accounts are alts. Or at least they seem to be.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 But then at the same time would upvotes in general still be tallied in a manner that all users could see how many upvotes/downvotes a thread/post has?[/quote] In my example, ups/downs would not be visible to the public - you'd only see what you've done. But it doesn't necessarily matter as it pertains to this thread. The bigger idea was that the total votes (from everyone) could be viewed by moderators to help understand trends and general user feedback. My thought was that this information would only be visible to the public on a per-user basis to make the votes more genuine and less influenced, but even if all votes could be seen by the public it'd work the same way. [Edited on 07.23.2012 8:51 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x 1. Tie user accounts to their cell phone number, make them validate it by inputting a code sent by text message, and allow only one account per phone number. 2. Prohibit new accounts from posting in the Flood Forum -- new threads OR within thread -- for at least 30 days. If the site did these two things, 95% of spam and chronic rulebreaking would be eliminated.[/quote] I think we should also force every user to give Bungie pictures of their genitals. Then, if they screw up, the pictures get posted as their avatar.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CAVX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 For real though, I like all of the idea's you've proposed except the changing of the order of posts based on upvoting. That does lead to a logical argument of abuse because people can constantly upvote a thread to keep it at the top of the forum. Also, I'm just partial to seeing things chronologically. It lets me know what I have and have not read.[/quote] To clarify, the hiding and reordering of posts and threads as described in that idea would be per-user only. Only the user who is doing the upvotes and downvotes would see any difference. Perhaps a profile setting could change whether or not you want your post/thread order influenced by your personal upvotes.[/quote]But then at the same time would upvotes in general still be tallied in a manner that all users could see how many upvotes/downvotes a thread/post has?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 For real though, I like all of the idea's you've proposed except the changing of the order of posts based on upvoting. That does lead to a logical argument of abuse because people can constantly upvote a thread to keep it at the top of the forum. Also, I'm just partial to seeing things chronologically. It lets me know what I have and have not read.[/quote] To clarify, the hiding and reordering of posts and threads as described in that idea would be per-user only. Only the user who is doing the upvotes and downvotes would see any difference. Perhaps a profile setting could change whether or not you want your post/thread order influenced by your personal upvotes.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CAVX Haven't fully weighed the pros and cons of these thoughts, so take them with a grain of salt. -New users [u]and[/u] users coming off of a ban will have a dramatically increased post rate limit (current 30 seconds, I believe). The high limit will decrease daily until it reaches 30 seconds like everyone else. -A good forum standing is incentivized through in-game rewards for future game releases and/or rewards like Bungie Pro or discounts on Bungie Store merchandise. -Users have the ability to upvote and downvote posts. Downvoting a post will hide it and downvoting a thread will hide it from the listing, and upvoting something could influence the order of your thread display based on who you upvoted. Users will get a "reveal" button similar to the mods to show what they've hidden and see the page as a default user would see it. Reporting a post automatically downvotes it. The key here is that the amount of upvotes and downvotes doesn't have to be public information, but the mods could view reports on which users have the most downvotes/upvotes/etc. to more easily understand who's more likely to be breaking the rules and who's doing a good job. Notably, a manual review here would still be required, but it might make it easier to notice smaller trends in negative behavior. [/quote]Um, uh... no because Facebook. Wait, uh, no because elitism. Or... I don't know... abuse. Some other tired unoriginal nonsensical argument that'll be brought against this idea. For real though, I like all of the idea's you've proposed except the changing of the order of posts based on upvoting. That does lead to a logical argument of abuse because people can constantly upvote a thread to keep it at the top of the forum. Also, I'm just partial to seeing things chronologically. It lets me know what I have and have not read.
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Haven't fully weighed the pros and cons of these thoughts, so take them with a grain of salt. -New users [u]and[/u] users coming off of a ban will have a dramatically increased post rate limit (current 30 seconds, I believe). The high limit will decrease daily until it reaches 30 seconds like everyone else. -A good forum standing is incentivized through in-game rewards for future game releases and/or rewards like Bungie Pro or discounts on Bungie Store merchandise. -Users have the ability to upvote and downvote posts. Downvoting a post will hide it and downvoting a thread will hide it from the listing, and upvoting something could influence the order of your thread display based on who you upvoted. Users will get a "reveal" button similar to the mods to show what they've hidden and see the page as a default user would see it. Reporting a post automatically downvotes it. The key here is that the amount of upvotes and downvotes doesn't have to be public information, but the mods could view reports on which users have the most downvotes/upvotes/etc. to more easily understand who's more likely to be breaking the rules and who's doing a good job. Notably, a manual review here would still be required, but it might make it easier to notice smaller trends in negative behavior.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x 1. Tie user accounts to their cell phone number, make them validate it by inputting a code sent by text message, and allow only one account per phone number. [/quote] But my phone is broke!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkJet7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agrajag [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x [/quote]Would there be the concern that those who don't have cell phones can't post? That mandates the need to purchase a phone, and I would say B.net has done a great job of making itself free.[/quote]This is a concern in theory only. While theoretically, it is possible that a user of this site (i.e., an internet user and gamer) might not have access to a mobile phone, the reality is that 100% of this site's users own or have access to a cell phone. I have yet to run across one who can genuinely claim that he or she doesn't. The "not everyone has a cell phone" argument is, IMO, a complete red herring and a bogus reason not to implement this.[/quote] I only recently got a phone, and it doesn't have any credit right now, assumptions can be a bad thing.[/quote]How old are you? (if you don't mine me asking)
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Why do you guys want this site's forum to be more dead than it already is? Keep your elitism to yourselves, jeez.
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I'd like to see some current members being made to wait a certain amount of time before making a thread... [Edited on 07.23.2012 7:27 AM PDT]
