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5/6/2012 8:51:39 AM
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Sometimes I wish MLG hadn't used Forge
I just finished watching a single MLG King of the Hill match on Battle Canyon, and it honestly felt awesome. It's so nostalgic to see players coming back to that particular map that has always been with us since the beginning. Everything was so cheerful, everyone seemed to be having fun, and the map had life in it, it had color, it had soul. It was beautiful.
But then, the video was over and I found myself upon the endless pile of gameplays, commentaries and montages done over gray, dull maps all over Forge World.
Sometimes I hate the fact that competitive players want pure symmetrical maps in order to play. Sometimes I wish there had been MLG matches on Reflection, Anchor 9 or even Uplink (if anyone remembers that, map, which in my opinion was great).
Sometimes, I wish the so called "skill" was agreed by everyone to actually be to play on Default maps, and not boring forge variants.
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Good... BYE! You're not really that worthy to argue against anyway... Hell I'm having to keep myself entertained because your lack of.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MR E0S Uhmmm that one dude brought 3 guests online with him.... and you searching solo. I can't say for certain, but I would say that his level of competitiveness is actually more than your's at that very moment. Maybe not in relation to some die hard MLG team...but still. He brought a full team online with him... that's speaks for something.[/quote] Searching solo doesnt mean you arent competitive... It just means your searching solo. Its not always about the action you take, but about the mentality you have while doing it. If you are competitive then you will be competitive searching solo or with a team.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MR E0S[/quote] Watching you argue with people who have 10 times your Halo experience is entertaining indeed. I was going to pop a bag of popcorn.
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CoD = Killstreaks = CATER TO COMPETITIVES! This is another fine example of how retarded and deluded you all are. COD = Faster kill times, Faster Reflexes, More punishing, More about Map control (AKA CAMPING) Don't delude yourself into thinking that CoD is casual compared to Halo. Because Halo is the Casual FPS king of the world compared to CoD. Don't be an idiot. Try jumping on CoD as someone who's never played an FPS before. What's going to happen? You're going to find out real quick how much you HATE killstreaks. Try jumping on Halo as a first time FPS player..... (It's the reason FPS's on console became so popular) Because HALO was super easy for ANYONE to pick up and play. And it's forgiving, because you don't instantly DIE the moment someone looks at you...which means you can make more mistakes and live to tell the tale. You make one mistake in CoD, and your dead. How on earth does that translate into CoD being more casual than Halo? Slower kill times = Casual Don't be mad just cause your reflexes don't allow you to keep up with CoD players. [Edited on 05.06.2012 3:26 AM PDT]
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competitive halo is way more intense, and much more entertaining than high level CoD. But thats just the majority of MLG players opinions. Also CoD is much more user friendly to new players than halo. If your going to troll with CoD, make it a little less obvious please. [Edited on 05.06.2012 3:26 AM PDT]
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Just because some noob can occasionaly walk into a room and get a few kills by doing a pray and spray ...suddenly the game is casual... Get over yourselves No really, it's obvious is it not.? The killstreaks alone, should be more than enough evidence to show you how much CoD loves catering to the competitive players. Did any of you ever see how much those competitives -blam!-ed when they added death streaks to the game? Which brings me to another point of how retarded competitive players are. It's perfectly OK to dish out AC-130's that can do triple the damage that was required to even obtain it... But god forbid if you help out the little guy every once in a while to make it a truley interesting match that could even be considered a competitive matchup. If I was to sit idly by and let competitives have their way with Halo..... it wouldn't be long before we had Killstreaks plaguing this game as well. [Edited on 05.06.2012 3:31 AM PDT]
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it seems to me, the only person full of himself itt is you EOS. I have remained calm this whole time, and have made solid posts. You caps lock and scream vulgarity every other post, offering no rebuttal. perhaps you should get over yourself....
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MR E0S [/quote]I know for a fact you are trolling now. No one in this boring world of ours is this stupid. Hell, no one finds you funny. CoD is built for casuals because of these features you mentioned. Little kids love their predator missiles and UAVs, right? Halo is built for both sides of the community. Casuals can enjoy a competitive game and they wouldn't care to notice, but competitive players can't enjoy a casual game because of luck, unbalanced games, etc. You are so deluded that God must have laid a curse on you when you was born.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MR E0S [/quote] You know when I was young I used to play a lot of racing games. Sometimes I'd spin out of control and accidentally head in the wrong direction. Most games flash a warning sign on the screen telling you you're going the wrong way and you need to make a U-Turn to continue the race. You've got it all backwards. CoD is easier to play than Halo. [b]Period[/b]. It's easier to get kills. You're rewarded for kills therefore it's easier to get more kills. Does it require skill? Yes, but it's dwarfed in comparison to Halo. If you make a mistake in Halo, you're dead for at least 5 seconds, which gives the other time a chance to gain map control and push you back to your spawns. This punishes death and encourages players to play strategically (the smart players at least). If you make a mistake in CoD, you're dead, and you respawn 2 seconds later behind the person who killed you. There's no penalty for death other than watching your ego diminish a bit with each kill cam. And if that happens to be the norm for you, just quit free of penalty and find a new match. CoD is the epitome of convenient casual gameplay, which is why so many people play it. It's accessible and it's quick and easy. Reach's kill times are bad yes, but overall Halo's kill times have been medium paced. This allows you to outgun opponents even if they see you first, which takes more skill than responding to stimuli quicker like in CoD. And Halo emphasizes map control and pushing as a team, whereas CoD only emphasizes positioning (camping). The latter does not influence spawns, while the former does. This is the main difference between the two. At this point if you aren't trolling then I feel sorry for you, as you will simply never understand why you are completely incorrect. [Edited on 05.06.2012 3:35 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MR E0S If I was to sit idly by and let competitives have their way with Halo..... it wouldn't be long before we had Killstreaks plaguing this game as well.[/quote] Competitive Halo players understand that the reward for killing people is map control, which means equipment and weapon control and spawn control as well. They don't need additional powerups handed to them after every kill. It's the people who struggle to get kills (casuals) who want incentive to get kills and they want to be handed instant rewards instead of working for them. Again, you have [i]everything[/i] backwards and you really should just quit while you're behind.
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Holy -blam!-, someone who can actually respond. But it's all for naught, cause you're not going to convince me that a game with a slower kill time (Thus allowing people a greater chance to turn a fight, run away, etc) is more competitive than what CoD offers. As far as FPS skill is involved... Reflexes rates as #1 most important skill. And with fast kill times...your required to have faster reflexes. Thus ..... put 2+2 together.. I know you can do it! Ultimately its just a game about who got the best reflexes and hand/eye/thumb coordination (which all ties into reflexes). [Edited on 05.06.2012 3:44 AM PDT]
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i gotta agree with mr e0s by rewarding players who get kills with more kills, cod makes it competitive because you must kill the competition. you can spawn with any gun whihc unlock as you gain money and level up (by killing, which is competitive). this emphasises on using knowledge to determine what overpowered gun to use in certain situations to easily and effectively kill an opponent (and thus giving more kills) before they can respond with minimal effort. the fact that kill times are very fast means you should kill players quicker and you are punished for not instantly noobtubing them whilst they are facing a different direction
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Oh, and competitives want gametypes where all it takes is a foot race, and you have all the advantage you need. CoD requires you to actually be GOOD to be rewarded. Not just beat someone in a foot race to a spot or power weapon that you can now camp. At least you can't camp power weapons in CoD. I mean, your so super awesome being the only guy on a map with a rocket..camping that rocket spot, aren't you.... You're just so awesome and competitive. Most recent example of Competitive stupidity. "Wah, We don't like loadouts!" [Edited on 05.06.2012 3:50 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A 3 Legged Goat If you make a mistake in CoD, you're dead, and you respawn 2 seconds later behind the person who killed you. There's no penalty for death other than watching your ego diminish a bit with each kill cam. And if that happens to be the norm for you, just quit free of penalty and find a new match. CoD is the epitome of convenient casual gameplay, which is why so many people play it. It's accessible and it's quick and easy. Reach's kill times are bad yes, but overall Halo's kill times have been medium paced. This allows you to outgun opponents even if they see you first, which takes more skill than responding to stimuli quicker like in CoD. And Halo emphasizes map control and pushing as a team, whereas CoD only emphasizes positioning (camping). The latter does not influence spawns, while the former does. This is the main difference between the two. At this point if you aren't trolling then I feel sorry for you, as you will simply never understand why you are completely incorrect. [/quote] I see two different games. I see two players who like each game more. I see two opinions about two different games. Hmmm... that's... nice I guess? On a serious note, no one can tell if Halo is better than a potato. Why? Because opinions.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MR E0S I mean, your so super awesome being the only guy on a map with a rocket..camping that rocket spot, aren't you.... You're just so awesome and competitive.[/quote]No one who has the slightest clue what they're doing camps on top of a power weapon spawn. I think you're just terrible at this game and you have no idea what to do other than blame it on competitive players.
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Between Halo and the Potato.... I pick Portal 2.
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You cant camp power weapon spawns in cod because every player starts with a power weapon. In halo you have to get to the power weapons first and fend off the other team(if they were smart enough to run for the power weapons) while in cod any player can spawn with a rocket launcher. Wheres the skill in spawning with a power weapon?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xxSarge 94xx You cant camp power weapon spawns in cod because every player starts with a power weapon. In halo you have to get to the power weapons first and fend off the other team(if they were smart enough to run for the power weapons) while in cod any player can spawn with a rocket launcher. Wheres the skill in spawning with a power weapon?[/quote] Have you ever asked yourself, where's the fun in [i]not[/i] spawning with a power weapon?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CharlesBrown33 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xxSarge 94xx You cant camp power weapon spawns in cod because every player starts with a power weapon. In halo you have to get to the power weapons first and fend off the other team(if they were smart enough to run for the power weapons) while in cod any player can spawn with a rocket launcher. Wheres the skill in spawning with a power weapon?[/quote] Have you ever asked yourself, where's the fun in [i]not[/i] spawning with a power weapon?[/quote]I enjoy challenging myself and my ability against other players rather than everyone spawning with rocket launcher and jetpack and going hurrdurr explosions everywhur im having fun
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CharlesBrown33 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xxSarge 94xx You cant camp power weapon spawns in cod because every player starts with a power weapon. In halo you have to get to the power weapons first and fend off the other team(if they were smart enough to run for the power weapons) while in cod any player can spawn with a rocket launcher. Wheres the skill in spawning with a power weapon?[/quote] Have you ever asked yourself, where's the fun in [i]not[/i] spawning with a power weapon?[/quote] fun is subjective
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No i haven't, why would ask myself that?
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@charlesbrown: opinions can be backed up. can you back up your argument about whether a potato is better than halo or not? also in what way is a potato better? @mr e0s: right with you buddy. in cod you need reflex. reflex is important because it allows you to spot someone that is not looking at you and spray your ak47 at his feet before he can react, in halo reflex is no longer important because the kill times are so long, leading to slow gameplay and sometimes you even have to hit them in the head to speed things up power weapons are so stupid they just encourage camping. whereas in cod weapons are balanced in that they all instant kill whenever they go within 2 metres of your 4 metre wide hitbox. lol and it is so easy to rush power weapons in cod you must decide your class before with careful thought between whether your using ak47 or commando. loadouts encourage knowledge and an uneven battlefield. uneveness promotes skill by making it harder and more annoying for everyone to kill each other. in classic halo, it is just boring and too even to kill each other there is no thought when you spawn all you need is good aim and skill whereas in cod you need to put effort in spraying mp5k in the general direction of a person
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POWER WEAPON SPAWNS REPRESENT!
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Seriously guys, the FAMAS, AUG and Stoner63 all have a 937.5 rounds per minute rate of fire. The FAMAS has the most predictable recoil, but also the most recoil and a poor ADS time. The AUG is balanced, and the Stoner63 makes you move slower. In Halo you've got DMRs. And... that's it I guess.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CharlesBrown33 Seriously guys, the FAMAS, AUG and Stoner63 all have a 937.5 rounds per minute rate of fire. The FAMAS has the most predictable recoil, but also the most recoil and a poor ADS time. The AUG is balanced, and the Stoner63 makes you move slower. In Halo you've got DMRs. And... that's it I guess.[/quote]when it only takes 2 bullets to kill none of those subtle differences matter. there's no point cluttering up the sandbox with 12 weapons which all serve the exact same purpose.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] X El BaZzA X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CharlesBrown33 Seriously guys, the FAMAS, AUG and Stoner63 all have a 937.5 rounds per minute rate of fire. The FAMAS has the most predictable recoil, but also the most recoil and a poor ADS time. The AUG is balanced, and the Stoner63 makes you move slower. In Halo you've got DMRs. And... that's it I guess.[/quote]when it only takes 2 bullets to kill none of those subtle differences matter. there's no point cluttering up the sandbox with 12 weapons which all serve the exact same purpose.[/quote] There is quite the purpose, and the developers at Activision know that very well. I just love how the guns work in Black Ops. The AK47, Galil and Commando all have the same rate of fire at 750 rounds per minute, yet their recoils vary and each one has a unique iron sight. I wish Halo had more to choose from other than BRs/DMRs like I guess will be most of the Halo 4 experience.
