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4/14/2012 9:56:38 PM
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University to ban Alcohol because 20% of students are muslim
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/apr/12/university-alcohol-free-zones-muslim-students]University where 20% of students are Muslim considers alcohol-free zones
'We need to be more cautious about sex too,' says vice-chancellor of London Metropolitan University
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[quote]A London university is considering establishing alcohol-free zones on its campuses because so many of its students consider drinking to be immoral.
Professor Malcolm Gillies, vice-chancellor of London Metropolitan University, said the selling of alcohol was an issue of "cultural sensitivity" at his institution where a fifth of students are Muslim.
Speaking to a conference of university administrators in Manchester, he said that for many students, drinking alcohol was "an immoral experience".
"Because there is no majority ethnic group [at London Metropolitan], I think [selling alcohol] is playing to particular parts of our society much more [than to others]," he was reported as saying in the Times Higher Education magazine.
He said he saw little reason for the university to subsidise a student bar on campus when there were "at least half a dozen pubs within 200m".
He told the Guardian the makeup of his institution had changed considerably over the past few decades. In the past it had been "substantially Anglo Saxon now 20% of our students are Muslim," he said.
"We therefore need to rethink how we cater for that 21st-century balance. For many students now, coming to university is not about having a big drinking experience. The university bar is not as used as it used to be."[/quote]
[Edited on 04.14.2012 1:59 PM PDT]
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My morals are better than yours. So I'm going to make them LAW!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Forum Cop [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mister death Ok? This doesn't affect me in he slightest. I don't think it should be aloud on campus anways.[/quote] Stay in school, you might able to one day type proper sentence.[/quote] They had one slight common error. Your post was more messed up than that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mister death Ok? This doesn't affect me in he slightest. I don't think it should be aloud on campus anways.[/quote] Stay in school, you might able to one day type proper sentence.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie That's a misleading title. They were talking about making alcohol free zones. Not making the whole university dry. Why would you stir up the racist comments by misleading us so?[/quote] Even if it was misleading, why would someone exercising a right spawn racist comments?
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That's a misleading title. They were talking about making alcohol free zones. Not making the whole university dry. Why would you stir up the racist comments by misleading us so?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] rj is cool 20% ? I guess 80% Is not the majority anymore [/quote] The majority can not oppress the minority. It's up to the university and up to people to decide with their feet. The university will lose many people for this action and thus lose revenue. It's their prerogative.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Android Spartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Android Spartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress Don't go to that university if you don't like it.[/quote]Mike?[/quote] Afraid not. My name is Cameron.[/quote]Oh thought you was TBB Mike or Econo troll not seen him around lately.[/quote] I was on Everquest earlier and saw some trolls but none had that name.
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20% ? I guess 80% Is not the majority anymore
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Android Spartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress Don't go to that university if you don't like it.[/quote]Mike?[/quote] Afraid not. My name is Cameron.[/quote]Oh thought you was TBB Mike or Econo troll not seen him around lately.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Android Spartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress Don't go to that university if you don't like it.[/quote]Mike?[/quote] Afraid not. My name is Cameron.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress Don't go to that university if you don't like it.[/quote]Mike?
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Don't go to that university if you don't like it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] M4L1K jr Lol,OP failed at starting flame war.[/quote]I didn't want one...... Though I got my 2nd hot topic tonight im on a role.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 In this case the minority is trying to force their beliefs upon the majority (or the administration is trying to force the beliefs of the majority because of the minority.) If the minority wants their right to not drink respected, they have to respect the right of the majority to be able to drink. That isn't happening.[/quote] The minority chooses a place not to drink. They live in those places. In those places, the minority becomes the majority. The majority of students who drink can drink in the majority of places. [quote][quote]They're not trying to stop people drinking, they're trying to let people who don't want to be around them have the personal choice to not be around them. [/quote] Geeze, that's pretty intolerant of them.[/quote] Are they intolerant of drinking? Yes. Are they intolerant of people who drink? No. It's limiting a behavior, not limiting the people. Again, no one is forcing their beliefs on anyone. The school is choosing (of their own accord) to listen to their students and accommodate them. I really have no clue why this is so hard to understand. Why are smokers told to go outside? Why is public intoxication illegal? Why do some communities have "free speech zones" designated for protestors? It's because we limit behaviors to certain areas [i]all the time[/i]. This is only an issue when the word Muslim is involved. [url=http://www.scribd.com/doc/65337232/55/THE-FORUM-THEORY]It's called location and forum theory.[/url] That link has all you need to know about it. [Edited on 04.14.2012 4:05 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 They can't go into a non-drinking zone and drink, though. That's the point. The school is trying to curtail the personal choice of the majority of the students to respect the cultural sensitivities of the minority. That isn't right. It isn't really what the university is doing, rather, why they are doing it.[/quote] So... it's not that they're setting up alcohol free zones, it's that they're respecting peoples' beliefs (along with some people's medical conditions)? Well, I don't really know how to respond to that one. You're offended by not being able to go into an area that students who do not want to drink or be around drinking are and purposefully offend them, when you could just as easily stay an an area that permits alcohol? [/quote]In this case the minority is trying to force their beliefs upon the majority (or the administration is trying to force the beliefs of the majority because of the minority.) If the minority wants their right to not drink respected, they have to respect the right of the majority to be able to drink. That isn't happening. [quote]They're not trying to stop people drinking, they're trying to let people who don't want to be around them have the personal choice to not be around them. [/quote]Geeze, that's pretty intolerant of them. [Edited on 04.14.2012 3:55 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 They can't go into a non-drinking zone and drink, though. That's the point. The school is trying to curtail the personal choice of the majority of the students to respect the cultural sensitivities of the minority. That isn't right. It isn't really what the university is doing, rather, why they are doing it.[/quote] So... it's not that they're setting up alcohol free zones, it's that they're respecting peoples' beliefs (along with some people's medical conditions)? Well, I don't really know how to respond to that one. You're offended by not being able to go into an area that students who do not want to drink or be around drinking are and purposefully offend them, when you could just as easily stay an an area that permits alcohol? They're not trying to stop people drinking, they're trying to let people who don't want to be around them have the personal choice to not be around them. [Edited on 04.14.2012 3:53 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Assault But there is change. And I don't see why they have to change. If those Muslims don't like to drink, they don't have to. Why change campus rules when they could easily just not drink? [/quote] They don't "have to". They're choosing to. Why shouldn't they allow students who don't want to drink (not just Muslims, remember) to have alcohol free zones when drinkers can just as easily go somewhere there is no rule against drinking? It's really too hard to walk across the street to a friend's dorm? Or, of course, choose a room in a dorm that allows drinking? This is about wanting control over the minority. It's easier for the non drinkers to have their areas, so you want to prevent that from happening. Yes, there are new rules. But you're just going to have to take your own advice and get over what really is only a minor inconvenience. [/quote]Before: Non-drinkers and drinkers can both go anywhere. After: Non-drinkers can go anywhere. Drinkers must stay out of the zones. Sounds like it is actually controlling the majority to me. [/quote] Drinkers can go in the alcohol free areas if they aren't drinking, of course. If a non drinker wanted to go to an area with alcohol and not drink, they can. Your logic is a little off on this one. [/quote]They can't go into a non-drinking zone and drink, though. That's the point. The school is trying to curtail the personal choice of the majority of the students to respect the cultural sensitivities of the minority. That isn't right. It isn't really what the university is doing, rather, why they are doing it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Assault I can say the same thing about non drinkers. If they don't like it, they could easily go somewhere else too. It just feels unnecessary in my eyes. That's all.[/quote] Yes. That is exactly the point. The non drinkers can go to a non drinking area. If there are no non drinking areas, where can they go? The majority does not have the right to force its views on other groups. There is no reason not to have non drinking areas on campus except as an attempt to control those groups. [/quote] When did the majority start to force its views on other groups? Isn't it the minority that is forcing its views on the majority by limiting where they can drink? If they don't like to drink, then fine. I can't wrap my head around this idea. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't make sense to me.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Assault But there is change. And I don't see why they have to change. If those Muslims don't like to drink, they don't have to. Why change campus rules when they could easily just not drink? [/quote] They don't "have to". They're choosing to. Why shouldn't they allow students who don't want to drink (not just Muslims, remember) to have alcohol free zones when drinkers can just as easily go somewhere there is no rule against drinking? It's really too hard to walk across the street to a friend's dorm? Or, of course, choose a room in a dorm that allows drinking? This is about wanting control over the minority. It's easier for the non drinkers to have their areas, so you want to prevent that from happening. Yes, there are new rules. But you're just going to have to take your own advice and get over what really is only a minor inconvenience. [/quote]Before: Non-drinkers and drinkers can both go anywhere. After: Non-drinkers can go anywhere. Drinkers must stay out of the zones. Sounds like it is actually controlling the majority to me. [/quote] Drinkers can go in the alcohol free areas if they aren't drinking, of course. If a non drinker wanted to go to an area with alcohol and not drink, they can. Your logic is a little off on this one.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Assault But there is change. And I don't see why they have to change. If those Muslims don't like to drink, they don't have to. Why change campus rules when they could easily just not drink? [/quote] They don't "have to". They're choosing to. Why shouldn't they allow students who don't want to drink (not just Muslims, remember) to have alcohol free zones when drinkers can just as easily go somewhere there is no rule against drinking? It's really too hard to walk across the street to a friend's dorm? Or, of course, choose a room in a dorm that allows drinking? This is about wanting control over the minority. It's easier for the non drinkers to have their areas, so you want to prevent that from happening. Yes, there are new rules. But you're just going to have to take your own advice and get over what really is only a minor inconvenience. [/quote]Before: Non-drinkers and drinkers can both go anywhere. After: Non-drinkers can go anywhere. Drinkers must stay out of the zones. Sounds like it is actually controlling the majority to me.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Assault I can say the same thing about non drinkers. If they don't like it, they could easily go somewhere else too. It just feels unnecessary in my eyes. That's all.[/quote] Yes. That is exactly the point. The non drinkers can go to a non drinking area. If there are no non drinking areas, where can they go? The majority does not have the right to force its views on other groups. There is no reason not to have non drinking areas on campus except as an attempt to control those groups.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Assault But there is change. And I don't see why they have to change. If those Muslims don't like to drink, they don't have to. Why change campus rules when they could easily just not drink? [/quote] They don't "have to". They're choosing to. Why shouldn't they allow students who don't want to drink (not just Muslims, remember) to have alcohol free zones when drinkers can just as easily go somewhere there is no rule against drinking? It's really too hard to walk across the street to a friend's dorm? Or, of course, choose a room in a dorm that allows drinking?[/quote] I can say the same thing about non drinkers. If they don't like it, they could easily go somewhere else too. It just feels unnecessary in my eyes. That's all.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TwiggyShip ITT: People who perceive Islam as a race and not a religion. Fun fact: I know white Muslims. I know Christians who converted to Islam. I know for a fact that the rest of the world couldn't give a -blam!- anymore and we're all just tired of people poking fun at Islam. Can we just give it a rest? Have a nice chat over a pint and some pork scratchings? Oh wait..[/quote] You are my hero.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Buttcum [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 Restricting freedom. No one is forcing the Muslims to drink. Why should ENGLISH people have to go off campus to get a drink because of 20% of the student body? [/quote] Youi can be Muslim and English. You can choose not to drink (or have a medical condition that prevents it) if you're English. No one is forcing anyone to go off campus. They just can't drink in those places. If 20% of the student body dosen't want to drink, why not have 20% of the campus alcohol free? [/quote] If ghey people only make up only 1.3% of the population, does that mean that only 1.3% of America should be allowed to marry them [i]and[/i] recognize their marriage as legitimate?[/quote] Can I ask you something? Do you think business owners should have to right to restrict whatever they think is right/wrong on employers, like contraceptives?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Assault But there is change. And I don't see why they have to change. If those Muslims don't like to drink, they don't have to. Why change campus rules when they could easily just not drink? [/quote] They don't "have to". They're choosing to. Why shouldn't they allow students who don't want to drink (not just Muslims, remember) to have alcohol free zones when drinkers can just as easily go somewhere there is no rule against drinking? It's really too hard to walk across the street to a friend's dorm? Or, of course, choose a room in a dorm that allows drinking? This is about wanting control over the minority. It's easier for the non drinkers to have their areas, so you want to prevent that from happening. Yes, there are new rules. But you're just going to have to take your own advice and get over what really is only a minor inconvenience. [Edited on 04.14.2012 3:29 PM PDT]
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I don't mind if it is banned or not. I tend to avoid those areas anyway.
