[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II It's a known fact their material is indestructible to anything but a Halo ring. They build bridges that spanned entire starsystems. No normal material could do something like that.[/quote] Obviously not if an exploding ship can destroy a whole Halo. [quote]Precursor material isn't the same as normal materials like diamond or titanium, it's something beyond our understanding.[/quote] This proves nothing of it's durability.[/quote] -What does that has to do with Precuror material? -Irrelevant, the demonstrated feats do.

Let's all remember that the ME universe has Reapers. That being said, I dunno. Hard decision.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Elite_Buddy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] darthnazgul The Mass Effect universe has countless civilizations, most of which we haven't seen.[/quote] Every sciencefiction universe has many galaxies with unknown civilisations including the Halo verse. [/quote]He means the other civilisations who were wiped out by the reapers. Wow this thread is depressing.[/quote] Then i can say Halo had many civilisations that were wiped out by the Precursors and the Flood. You mass effect fans are the depressing part of this thread, admit your defeat.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II It's a known fact their material is indestructible to anything but a Halo ring. They build bridges that spanned entire starsystems. No normal material could do something like that.[/quote] Obviously not if an exploding ship can destroy a whole Halo. [quote]Precursor material isn't the same as normal materials like diamond or titanium, it's something beyond our understanding.[/quote] This proves nothing of it's durability.[/quote] Regarding your first quoted part, the Halo ring isn't made by Precursors, or their tech. So that isn't an argument. Do you want Halo to lose so badly, that you're trolling?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] darthnazgul The Mass Effect universe has countless civilizations, most of which we haven't seen.[/quote] Every sciencefiction universe has many galaxies with unknown civilisations including the Halo verse. [/quote]He means the other civilisations who were wiped out by the reapers. Wow this thread is depressing.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II It's a known fact their material is indestructible to anything but a Halo ring. They build bridges that spanned entire starsystems. No normal material could do something like that.[/quote] Obviously not if an exploding ship can destroy a whole Halo. [quote]Precursor material isn't the same as normal materials like diamond or titanium, it's something beyond our understanding.[/quote] This proves nothing of it's durability.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] darthnazgul The Mass Effect universe has countless civilizations, most of which we haven't seen.[/quote] Every sciencefiction universe has many galaxies with unknown civilisations including the Halo verse.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kitten2012 @Quantum The Halo rings only destroy organic life, and would still leave the Flood (although with no hosts they are a dying breed, worthy of only a footnote) and synthetic life on both sides. This would be the Reapers, the Geth, past civilization's equivalent of the Geth, sentinels, and AI programs developed by the Halo factions like Cortona. Such a scenario would undoubtedly be at Mass Effect's advantage, even combined the sentinels have negligible shields and unless combined with millions of others their weaponry is pitifully weak. Such a scenario would have them planet hopping which requires a massive investment of time and number, hardly painting a good outcome for them considering the Reapers alone should number in at over a trillion, but what of the shield worlds? They had been built to withstand Halo's blasts, so I don't think it's too unlikely that the Forerunner would place their most elite units inside of them, although doubtful they could get starships into them considering the descriptions of the hallways from Ghosts of Onyx. Indoctrination's targeting of the brain is just one method or aspect of how indoctrination works. In truth, no one really knows exactly what is going on, although there are plenty of clues by looking at the results. The overall process of called, of course, indoctrination, but what is going on when this happens? It largely depends on what type of life form is being targeted, organic, synthetic, or the dead. With Synthetic indoctrination the process if fairly simple, corrupt the runtimes of the network of "one" and you sway them all. The same is true for the Quarian hacking attempts (even if the Geth always fixed the corruption within moments) Indoctrination of Organic life is much more complicated and time consuming. There are many processes used for the "complete experience" of organic indoctrination. Such methods include manipulation of the electrical singles inside the body via magnetic fields, which give the Reaper control over the physical body's functions. It also causes peripheral neuropathy, which enhances the effeteness of all other processes and reduces willpower, leaving them more susceptible to Reaper suggestions. Suggestions, although a far more time consuming process than any other taking around a year to fully complete, creates the most useful agent. What is a brain? A brain is an arguably impotent organ, but in play it's more of the equivalent of an alternator /regulator in a car, sending singles and acting as a centralized hub for all processes that want to happen in the body. Many creatures have several brains and just as many have no brain at all. In place of a brain, they rely on the opposite of the brain which is multiple neurons that are interconnected but lack a centralized control structure, or a decentralized process. Both work identically in principle, controlling movements with electrical singles, only in action do they differ. However, as long as there are electrical singles controlling the body, Reaper indoctrination should not be hindered. I think it's fully possible to indoctrinate a Gravemind, especially considering that they are only (theoretically, although not likely given their nature) loyal to the Precursor and themselves, already seeking every-one's blood as was their purpose. A Gravemind is 'built' from the remains of organic life, and is thus merely a massive multiplication of any organic existing potential ability. If you have two lego sets and add them together, you can do a lot more- but they are still legos and thus limited by the limitations of legos. You can build a model of a strand of DNA with legos, but you can't create an actual life form. I think the same principles work when it comes to a Gravemind. Adding two brains together (they are obviously a lot more than two) would double a brain's ability, but this doesn't make them any less susceptible to what indoctrination does. Strong-willed individuals in theory have an ability to resist indoctrination's early stages, but this is progressively eroded as they eventually cave, and that's only if the Reapers want a very competent ally, rather than a semi competent slave. Indoctrinating a Gravemind is one thing, but finding one would be quite another. As the Flood is not self-aware, they cannot yield clues, while the link between Gravemind and minion is a one-way street. Gravemind's had been notoriously difficult to locate during the war, even after 300 years of getting to know their enemy. It may be possible to indoctrinate one, but the chances of finding one to indoctrinate are going to be small. A Reaper alternative may be to attempt to create one themselves, piling on the dead bodies and crushing them together to such a degree that a proto Gravemind is formed, force feeding it until it matures, whilst gradually indoctrinating it. [/quote] The Halo and Mass Effect galaxy are two whole different territories. If you send 7 rings through slipspace into the mass effect galaxy then only their galaxy get's affected while the Halo galaxy is unhared by the blast. Or the rings can always be tuned to wipe out a local starsystem(Cryptum). But even if we go by your scenario which is the Halo non living beings vs mass effect non living beings then the Halo verse still wins easily. Forerunner worlds and machines don't need living beings to operate. Each Forerunners and UNSC ship has an AI which can command the ship and it has already been proved before how superior Halo ships are. It doesn't requires millions of sentinels to beat an average mass effect vessel. All it requires are clusters of 49 onyx sentinels. 49 are enough to pierce the shields of a Covenant destroyer, let alone an inferior mass effect vessel with kinetic barriers that won't stop energy beams. It doesn't takes time for trillions of sentinels to form as that cluster is already trillion strong beneath the surface of an artificial planet. A trillion strong onyx sentinel cluster would be unbeatable. But hey we don't need that much of number. Just send a small Forerunner battlegroup commanded by ancillas and that's enough to destroy everything. BTW shield worlds can harbor starships. The Halo Wars shield world had Forerunner dreadnaughts in it. Requiem has a massive opening in it's external surface A gravemind = Precursor You really don't understand how the Flood works. They are a single macroorgasm, a single entity. There are no individuals in the Flood because the gravemind=the Flood. You still have to prove if they can indocterinate a gravemind which could beat any powerful Halo AI like Cortana or Forerunner AI's. You can indoctrinate something that is one with the universe , hence why it can't be killed. You can destroy it's body but its consiousness will remain. Try to deal with a Gravemind as if it's an AI or computer virus and you will fail. Try to see at as a normal organic being and you will fail. Forerunners absolutely didn't understood the Gravemind. Some quotes from Halo evolutions Oh and provide evidence that Reapers number in trillions, last time i checked they only numbered in low millions.

The Mass Effect universe has countless civilizations, most of which we haven't seen.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kitten2012[/quote] I am starting to suspect you're trolling. You are not listening to any of the counter arguments so let me list them out to make it easier for you. 1) Precursors and Graveminds are not technological demigods, they [i]are[/i] gods. At least demigods. Their minds are [i]not normal.[/i] They have evolved passed the stage of sentience and exist on a completely unrecognizable cognitive plane of awareness. You keep thinking that because they are still flesh, they are susceptible to indoctrination. Even if they were, it would take so long, and be so overly complicated that by the time even the beginnings of indoctrination took place the Reapers would be free floating molecules. 2) The Gravemind is not a single being, it [i]is[/i] the Flood. The creature in Halo 2 is an organ it was using to speak to Chief and Arbiter, but the Mind itself is the Flood. It has no one single creature to kill, not unless it is a proto-Gravemind. There is no individuality, there is no animal creature that you think the Flood are. Imagine being in control of trillions of bodies as if they were your own at all time. That is what the Graveminds feel, and what transsentience allows. He does not coordinate his armies, he is the army. 3) The nature of the Precursors' exodus is completely unknown, but the most reasonable theory suggests that the Forerunners simply got a hold of the Precursors' weaponry. Under your logic, the Reapers could defeat the Q continuum because the drastically inferior USS Voyager crew defeated them once using their own weapons. It would have to be, because like the Q, the Precursors are effectively invunerable to all forms of weaponry barring their own technology. How you imagine any of the races of Mass Effect to handle them is beyond me.

@Quantum The Halo rings only destroy organic life, and would still leave the Flood (although with no hosts they are a dying breed, worthy of only a footnote) and synthetic life on both sides. This would be the Reapers, the Geth, past civilization's equivalent of the Geth, sentinels, and AI programs developed by the Halo factions like Cortona. Such a scenario would undoubtedly be at Mass Effect's advantage, even combined the sentinels have negligible shields and unless combined with millions of others their weaponry is pitifully weak. Such a scenario would have them planet hopping which requires a massive investment of time and number, hardly painting a good outcome for them considering the Reapers alone should number in at over a trillion, but what of the shield worlds? They had been built to withstand Halo's blasts, so I don't think it's too unlikely that the Forerunner would place their most elite units inside of them, although doubtful they could get starships into them considering the descriptions of the hallways from Ghosts of Onyx. Indoctrination's targeting of the brain is just one method or aspect of how indoctrination works. In truth, no one really knows exactly what is going on, although there are plenty of clues by looking at the results. The overall process of called, of course, indoctrination, but what is going on when this happens? It largely depends on what type of life form is being targeted, organic, synthetic, or the dead. With Synthetic indoctrination the process if fairly simple, corrupt the runtimes of the network of "one" and you sway them all. The same is true for the Quarian hacking attempts (even if the Geth always fixed the corruption within moments) Indoctrination of Organic life is much more complicated and time consuming. There are many processes used for the "complete experience" of organic indoctrination. Such methods include manipulation of the electrical singles inside the body via magnetic fields, which give the Reaper control over the physical body's functions. It also causes peripheral neuropathy, which enhances the effeteness of all other processes and reduces willpower, leaving them more susceptible to Reaper suggestions. Suggestions, although a far more time consuming process than any other taking around a year to fully complete, creates the most useful agent. What is a brain? A brain is an arguably impotent organ, but in play it's more of the equivalent of an alternator /regulator in a car, sending singles and acting as a centralized hub for all processes that want to happen in the body. Many creatures have several brains and just as many have no brain at all. In place of a brain, they rely on the opposite of the brain which is multiple neurons that are interconnected but lack a centralized control structure, or a decentralized process. Both work identically in principle, controlling movements with electrical singles, only in action do they differ. However, as long as there are electrical singles controlling the body, Reaper indoctrination should not be hindered. I think it's fully possible to indoctrinate a Gravemind, especially considering that they are only (theoretically, although not likely given their nature) loyal to the Precursor and themselves, already seeking every-one's blood as was their purpose. A Gravemind is 'built' from the remains of organic life, and is thus merely a massive multiplication of any organic existing potential ability. If you have two lego sets and add them together, you can do a lot more- but they are still legos and thus limited by the limitations of legos. You can build a model of a strand of DNA with legos, but you can't create an actual life form. I think the same principles work when it comes to a Gravemind. Adding two brains together (they are obviously a lot more than two) would double a brain's ability, but this doesn't make them any less susceptible to what indoctrination does. Strong-willed individuals in theory have an ability to resist indoctrination's early stages, but this is progressively eroded as they eventually cave, and that's only if the Reapers want a very competent ally, rather than a semi competent slave. Indoctrinating a Gravemind is one thing, but finding one would be quite another. As the Flood is not self-aware, they cannot yield clues, while the link between Gravemind and minion is a one-way street. Gravemind's had been notoriously difficult to locate during the war, even after 300 years of getting to know their enemy. It may be possible to indoctrinate one, but the chances of finding one to indoctrinate are going to be small. A Reaper alternative may be to attempt to create one themselves, piling on the dead bodies and crushing them together to such a degree that a proto Gravemind is formed, force feeding it until it matures, whilst gradually indoctrinating it.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kitten2012 Both the Geth and reapers would likely try to hack Sentinels, as they are both super AI too, and according to Forerunner technolagy teiring, both the Reaper and Reaper upgraded Geth are both higher levels of AI, tier 0 to tier 1. Further, Reaper (official logic) motivation for the exhibition cycles are to prevent organic life from progressing to the point where they make AI that would eventualy kill them. So it's not unreasonable to say that ME would have at least 20,000 AI races like the Geth at the very least. Reaper upgrades would render them far more sophisticated and would bring them to tier0 AI levels as the qualification is "true AI" meaning independent and capable of self rule and self awareness. The state is already arguably achieved with the Geth's question, "Does this unit have a soul?". The sentinels would counter hack in an attempt to ward off the virus, but given that the ME AI is on a higher level (if lacking in weaponry in comparison to the joint attacks by the sentinels we saw in Onyx) It would unlikely be anything near easy, and still very much ME's game to lose, but given that they would have the Sentinels outnumbered and out classed in all aspects apart from weaponry, it would be an uphill battle for Halo if the rings are activated, especially if even one Gravemind is indoctrinated. @Ins3ktz No doubt the Precursors are some technological dimigods, but they are still defeated and driven from the Milky Way by a technologically inferior adversary who had already fought a war with the Human Empire. For all the technology that they are claimed to have, it didn't prevent an inferior force from stomping on them, leading me to belive their abilities are overrated. For all their abilities to make "indestructible strictures" there sure are not many examples of them around anymore. Even the hardest of substance can be broken when crashed into itself.[/quote] You will prove that Mass Effect AI's are superior to the Halo AI's. You will prove they can indoctrinate the Gravemind. Gravemind isn't the average creature you encounter on planets, he is one with the universe. You can destroy his body but his consiousness will remain. He has the knowledge of many civilisations and trillions of souls live within him. Saying reapers or geth are tier 1 or tier 0 is retarded. They never accomplished something close to Forerunner level. They are below the Covenant. We don't know how Precursors were defeated by Forerunners, it's all baseless speculation on your part. For all we know the Forerunners used Precursor weapons against them. It's a known fact their material is indestructible to anything but a Halo ring. They build bridges that spanned entire starsystems. No normal material could do something like that. Precursor material isn't the same as normal materials like diamond or titanium, it's something beyond our understanding. It's not wanking on our part, the goddamn Cryptum book confirms that. Mass EffECT loses hard, there is nothing argue about anymore.

Both the Geth and reapers would likely try to hack Sentinels, as they are both super AI too, and according to Forerunner technolagy teiring, both the Reaper and Reaper upgraded Geth are both higher levels of AI, tier 0 to tier 1. Further, Reaper (official logic) motivation for the exhibition cycles are to prevent organic life from progressing to the point where they make AI that would eventualy kill them. So it's not unreasonable to say that ME would have at least 20,000 AI races like the Geth at the very least. Reaper upgrades would render them far more sophisticated and would bring them to tier0 AI levels as the qualification is "true AI" meaning independent and capable of self rule and self awareness. The state is already arguably achieved with the Geth's question, "Does this unit have a soul?". The sentinels would counter hack in an attempt to ward off the virus, but given that the ME AI is on a higher level (if lacking in weaponry in comparison to the joint attacks by the sentinels we saw in Onyx) It would unlikely be anything near easy, and still very much ME's game to lose, but given that they would have the Sentinels outnumbered and out classed in all aspects apart from weaponry, it would be an uphill battle for Halo if the rings are activated, especially if even one Gravemind is indoctrinated. @Ins3ktz No doubt the Precursors are some technological dimigods, but they are still defeated and driven from the Milky Way by a technologically inferior adversary who had already fought a war with the Human Empire. For all the technology that they are claimed to have, it didn't prevent an inferior force from stomping on them, leading me to belive their abilities are overrated. For all their abilities to make "indestructible strictures" there sure are not many examples of them around anymore. Even the hardest of substance can be broken when crashed into itself. [Edited on 05.12.2012 1:24 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ins3ktz [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] razzat Lol if we're up against precursors in any future halo game we're -blam!-[/quote] That's why I want to fight Precursors in the new trilogy. They seem like such awesome enemies to fight. And victory over them would be satisfying as hell.[/quote] John would get ROFLstomped by a Precursor. If they're as powerful as people say they are a single Precursor could stomp the UNSC and the Covenant at once.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] razzat Lol if we're up against precursors in any future halo game we're -blam!-[/quote] That's why I want to fight Precursors in the new trilogy. They seem like such awesome enemies to fight. And victory over them would be satisfying as hell.

Lol if we're up against precursors in any future halo game we're -blam!-

Onyx Sentinels alone could destroy the ME universe. Nuff said.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They operated off of the living, conscious energies of the universe itself.[/quote] Where is this stated?[/quote] Cryptum. "Tell me what you know, what's changed in our understanding in the last thousand years. "The basic principle was called neural physics,' I said. 'The Precursors felt the Mantle [of Life] extended to the entire universe, energy and matter as well as living creatures....some say. The universe lives, but not as we do." pg. 103, Bornstellar and Didact on Precursor science and technology.[/quote] This doesn't mean they can manipulate it at will, though.[/quote] Their [i]technology[/i] is what they are discussing here. Precursors built their structures, for example, out of a 100% grade A indestructable material while working with this scientific idea of mind and matter being inextricably linked. Which is why the Halo Rings are the only things in the universe that can damage them, as they are the reversal of neural physics. "They understood the universe in ways we never will. We can't unlock their secrets--but now, apparently, we can destroy all they ever made. [i]That's[/i] what I call progress." Keep in mind the Precursors were possessed of no normal mind. They were evolved far beyond our limited cognitive understanding to where they weren't even classified as sentient anymore, but something beyond self-awareness and into the abstract world, more like the metaphysical world. The Emperor of Mankind in 40K would likely be classified similarly. They saw things differently, and were aware of things differently. It gave them impossible technology.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They operated off of the living, conscious energies of the universe itself.[/quote] Where is this stated?[/quote] Cryptum. "Tell me what you know, what's changed in our understanding in the last thousand years. "The basic principle was called neural physics,' I said. 'The Precursors felt the Mantle [of Life] extended to the entire universe, energy and matter as well as living creatures....some say. The universe lives, but not as we do." pg. 103, Bornstellar and Didact on Precursor science and technology.[/quote] This doesn't mean they can manipulate it at will, though.[/quote] But they did. Their technology was based off of this connection between organic and synthetic material. The only possible way to destroy them was through the Halo array, which used thought as it's weapon. And that means the ME universe is even more screwed- fully sentient AI like the Precursor's constructs were destroyed by the Halo array.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They operated off of the living, conscious energies of the universe itself.[/quote] Where is this stated?[/quote] Cryptum. "Tell me what you know, what's changed in our understanding in the last thousand years. "The basic principle was called neural physics,' I said. 'The Precursors felt the Mantle [of Life] extended to the entire universe, energy and matter as well as living creatures....some say. The universe lives, but not as we do." pg. 103, Bornstellar and Didact on Precursor science and technology.[/quote] This doesn't mean they can manipulate it at will, though.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Makko Mace [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They operated off of the living, conscious energies of the universe itself.[/quote] Where is this stated?[/quote] Go read the first two books of the forerunner trilogy, then come back and debate.[/quote] I have them both. I'm not about to go read through both of them right now. Give me a quote and a page number.[/quote] Halo 3 Bestiarum. Their technology is based off of inanimate matter and thought being linked- i.e. the entire universe is living. [Edited on 05.10.2012 3:59 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They operated off of the living, conscious energies of the universe itself.[/quote] Where is this stated?[/quote] Cryptum. "Tell me what you know, what's changed in our understanding in the last thousand years. "The basic principle was called neural physics,' I said. 'The Precursors felt the Mantle [of Life] extended to the entire universe, energy and matter as well as living creatures....some say. The universe lives, but not as we do." pg. 103, Bornstellar and Didact on Precursor science and technology. [Edited on 05.10.2012 3:56 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Makko Mace [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They operated off of the living, conscious energies of the universe itself.[/quote] Where is this stated?[/quote] Go read the first two books of the forerunner trilogy, then come back and debate.[/quote] I have them both. I'm not about to go read through both of them right now. Give me a quote and a page number.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They operated off of the living, conscious energies of the universe itself.[/quote] Where is this stated?[/quote] Go read the first two books of the forerunner trilogy, then come back and debate.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh They operated off of the living, conscious energies of the universe itself.[/quote] Where is this stated?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ins3ktz [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] awaw 25 halo Elites FTW! Halo would win, because of the Halo rings.[/quote] You seem to be forgetting that if the Rings go off Halo loses too.[/quote]The Halo species would be reseeded. The Mass Effect ones probably not. Thus Halo wins in rebirth.[/quote] They still die out. The battle is still a draw.[/quote] The Rings could be tuned to isolated areas. There is no need to destroy the galaxy, just highly concentrated forces. Halo'd still suffer losses, but not necessarily on a suicidal scale. In fact, definitely not. Precursors were not exclusive to this galaxy. They had traveled amongst many. It's a matter of one galaxy without any capability of leaving it (beyond dark space) vs. a hyper-advanced civilization from several. And Kitten2012. You overestimate indoctrination. It took the entire Reaper fleet several months to [u]not[/u] indoctrinate the humans on earth. Likewise, it took a subkiloton missile to pulverize Sovereign. While kinetic barriers would be effective against the UNSC to at least a limited degree, they'd be useless against everything else. Combined with the disproportionately high firepower of the ancient races, the Reapers would have no chance to indoctrinate. As well, Mass Effect has no weaponry or science capable of doing any significant harm to Precursor technology, and that's provided it can do anything at all. Unless the Mass Effect universe suddenly possesses neural physics weapons somehow.[/quote] "Many" is a huge understatement. Precursors supposedly travelled galaxies in seconds and could accelerate/decelerate evolution. They were practically godlike. So if by some crack shot ME wins and exterminates the Halo universe suffering heavy losses in this galaxy. Hundreds of galaxies worth of Precursors walk in. Then step on the little bugs.[/quote] Of course they were godlike. They operated off of the living, conscious energies of the universe itself. I think of them as the angels to the universe's God. Exactly how many galaxies they worked out of however is an unknown. But since they were many races rolled into one civilization, it'd be more than just a few. So many for now, until they get a more precise number.