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8/4/2011 9:36:34 PM
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Complete game Speculation, and a thanks to Bungie.

I just finished watching the ViDoc, and sadly I was interrupted multiple times due to the fact that I was on a family computer. I would just like Bungie to know that this was a great wrap up of their business and history. This showed that unlike other "certain" companies who build games, they are [i]the[/i] producers of worlds and breakthroughs. They know what is best, because they listen to their fans. They will produce what they know will be something big. I look up to the founders of the company, and everyone else who came along throughout the journey. I would love to become some part of this company, but I am only a 17 year old and have far too long of a journey to get ahold of the chance to join them. To Bungie: I hope that this game will reveal itself in the not too distant future, and that you will blow each mind away. You're little sneak peak at the end shows a bit of what is coming and somewhat confirms our thoughts and rumors. It is incredible. The design and heart we all know that is being put into this game is miraculous! I wish to design and create something as well as you have, because I realize the difficulty that it must take. I welcome this new world, and am curious what these symbols and words floating around must mean :) Per Audacia Ad Astra! And don't doubt, or fear, just please push past that. The remainder of your active fans have faith in you. Let's game change. [url=http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/SwimMaster101/j.png]New theme and symbol.[/url] [url=http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/SwimMaster101/a.png]Picture of New World (?)[/url] [url=http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/SwimMaster101/g.png]Picture of New World 2 (?)[/url] [url=http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/SwimMaster101/c.png]Picture of New World 3 (?)[/url] [url=http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/SwimMaster101/b.png]Sample of Bungie's Pure Creation Power.[/url] Oh, and is "Tiger" their new code name for the game? It was mentioned once or twice and it seemed to hint that they were talking about the game. [url=http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/SwimMaster101/t.png](Codename Tiger somewhat confirmed)[/url] Bungie has a list of seven goals, all completed except for the last which needs to be checked. [url=http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k504/SwimMaster101/bungie-illuminati-world-domination-7-step-plan.jpg](Link to picture.)[/url] The last goal states that they want to take over the world. Considering it is far beyond their power to take over this world, I assume they are going to create the most powerful video game world, and rule it. The conversation below shows how. [quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKCII [url=http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/musicman247/blurrypic1.jpg]Blurry Pic of stuff Bungie doesn't want us to see yet #1[/url] [/quote] [quote][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Callumca In fact if we look at the two pictures on the left the focus of both are two very different mountains....or in fact buildings.Also the bottom right picture appears to have a column in the forefront and a building in the background. Unfortunately the top right picture is,well to bright and blurred to see anything.[/quote] [quote][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swim Master The top left looks to me like the color scheme of a beach, and the top right the scheme of snow and cold. The bottom right seems to be more dry, average dirt, and evergreens. And the bottom left seems like pure desert.[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Callumca Which while im on a roll (Assuming that each of these environments does have a building in them)fits with what was found here. If you read through that site you will in fact find that bungie have made copyrights of 4 names: FWC(standing for future war council or something along the lines), Seven Seraphs, New Monarchy, Osiris, and Dead Orbit now each of these is believed to have their own shirt as shown on that site. This leads me to believe that these are the names of 4 different factions and what I believe we are seeing in that picture is the 4 faction bases. However it's just a guess they may not be factions at all and I could be jumping the gun a bit. [/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swim Master You listed above 5 names that will most likely be faction bases. 4 will most likely make an appearance. But when I looked at a site, it had Bungie wearing multiple FWC shirts.[/quote] This is what I think, in an MMO in space, with multiple worlds and bases, I think that we will have our four main bases, and Bungie's head FWC base. Wouldn't it make sense for them to make their own world that is the most powerful and the main base?[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Callumca Oh yeah I did put down five I was excited my bad :D I believe you are correct in your assumption a MMOFPS inspired by planetside I would guess. It seems to me that players would pick one out of the four factions and the FWC would be a kind governing body to ensure everything runs smoothly.[/quote][/quote] [/quote] As for the symbols and logo's of each new world, here is a link so you can see the pictures. All are official, not exact, but official. These have been spotted in multiple places. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b]Drakonous For those that are interested I took the time to recreate the symbols seen on the t-shirts. You can find then in the link below. Note that due to lack of detailed images they may be off (Dead Orbit is under this category) [url=http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/George_Castaldo/DestinySymbols.png]Click Here for Image[/url] Now for those who wanted higher resolution images of the symbols here ya go... [url=http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/George_Castaldo/DestinySymbolHD.png]Destiny Symbol[/url] [url=http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/George_Castaldo/DeadOrbitSymbolHD.png]Dead Orbit Symbol[/url] [url=http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/George_Castaldo/NewMonarchySymbolHD.png]New Monarchy[/url] [url=http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/George_Castaldo/OsirisSymbolHD.pngOsiris]Osiris Symbol[/url] [url=http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/George_Castaldo/SevenSeraphsSymbolHD.png]Seven Seraphs Symbol[/url][/quote] For those of you who are also wondering, "What is the point of speculating and trying to figure out if Bungie won't say anything?" Well, although they won't say anything in the near future, here is a picture giving us the suggestion that on 2012's Bungie Day we will know much, much more. [url]http://misriahsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/ticket3.jpg[/url] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b]master piraka It was a ticket that was sent to seven random bungie.net members who signed up for the Beta program I think. They are to be held until the "time is right"[/quote] [quote] New Theory: [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iROACH dont think im tripping, just give it a chance. look at the pictures we were able to see clearly. mountains, the sun rising and ... A FREAKING WINDMILL. (even with a wired connection.) and bungie is hiring an economy artist... maybe this game is (also?) about powering citys and alike. using what that planet has in offer. water, wind, sun and stuff like that. and if u think about it combat-wise that would mean that those different factions could harass each other by destroying the opponents power supply. just imagine an MMOFPS (yea i try to believe those rumors) with like 5 different factions each with their own city which gets basically built by us and powered by us. the factions fighting over a specific mountain region because of the heavy wind going through there or a river to power a watermill like thing.[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Drakonous iROACH interesting theory. I think it would be fun to use a power source or fight over it. Think of what that could mean... -Constant conflict among enemy players/factions -Possible tapping into enemy sources to restore power to your equipment. -Starting new sources of power to allow for the development of a settlement or base of operations.[/quote] [/quote] [Edited on 08.08.2011 8:39 AM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] master piraka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKCII [url=http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/musicman247/zuulcheck.jpg]Zuul Check?[/url] Don't know if this is just part of the tools they're using, or something specific to the game designer?[/quote] That's definitely just a plugin. Don't worry about it. The thing I'm hanging on is that those screenshots you got are of something that's been available to the public for a while. [url]http://www.bungie.net/Inside/publications.aspx[/url] Look at the lighting research publication. That's been there for two years. It's got shots of those mountains showing off the sun rays and the atmospheric distortion. So whatever they're working on how has been in the works for a while.[/quote] I must be blind because all I see under lighting research is an Halo 3 ODST picture and bunch of stuff from other games.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Callumca [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] master piraka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKCII [url=http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/musicman247/zuulcheck.jpg]Zuul Check?[/url] Don't know if this is just part of the tools they're using, or something specific to the game designer?[/quote] That's definitely just a plugin. Don't worry about it. The thing I'm hanging on is that those screenshots you got are of something that's been available to the public for a while. [url]http://www.bungie.net/Inside/publications.aspx[/url] Look at the lighting research publication. That's been there for two years. It's got shots of those mountains showing off the sun rays and the atmospheric distortion. So whatever they're working on how has been in the works for a while.[/quote] I must be blind because all I see under lighting research is an Halo 3 ODST picture and bunch of stuff from other games. [/quote] You must be. Did you click on the "slides" link on the ODST pic? Do kids know how to -blam!- LOOK for anything anymore?

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  • master piraka is 100% correct. In the slides you can see the same broken structure that appears in the ViDoc. [url=http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/musicman247/NewIP.jpg]Lazy Link to a pic of the slide[/url]

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  • Bungie, I would have your baby.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EpicFailMan50 The first Picture of the New World gives me a 'Halo 3 announcement trailer meets Borderlands' kinda vibe. [/quote] Yeah thats what I felt also, lets hope they take it that way

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] master piraka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Callumca [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] master piraka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKCII [url=http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/musicman247/zuulcheck.jpg]Zuul Check?[/url] Don't know if this is just part of the tools they're using, or something specific to the game designer?[/quote] That's definitely just a plugin. Don't worry about it. The thing I'm hanging on is that those screenshots you got are of something that's been available to the public for a while. [url]http://www.bungie.net/Inside/publications.aspx[/url] Look at the lighting research publication. That's been there for two years. It's got shots of those mountains showing off the sun rays and the atmospheric distortion. So whatever they're working on how has been in the works for a while.[/quote] I must be blind because all I see under lighting research is an Halo 3 ODST picture and bunch of stuff from other games. [/quote] You must be. Did you click on the "slides" link on the ODST pic? Do kids know how to -blam!- LOOK for anything anymore?[/quote] A bit of a unnecessary response (People these days why are they so impolite?)it wasn't as if I was calling you a liar I was merely stating I couldn't find it although now I have. I see exactly what you mean though they are extremely similar however there is a slight variation in that there are fans and metallic poles in the video, a slight variation in the elevation of the sand and the mountains different.I completely agree though that this game or the technology behind it must have been in development for a long time

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Callumca A bit of a unnecessary response (People these days why are they so impolite?)it wasn't as if I was calling you a liar I was merely stating I couldn't find it although now I have. I see exactly what you mean though they are extremely similar however there is a slight variation in that there are fans and metallic poles in the video, a slight variation in the elevation of the sand and the mountains different.I completely agree though that this game or the technology behind it must have been in development for a long time[/quote] You can see the shadows for the poles on the snow/sand The engine is probably the Reach engine. The talk was given after Halo 3 ODST was out, so they were probably working on the Reach engine at the time. My guess is the new IP will be using a new version of the Reach engine.

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  • Was this the ViDoc they were talking about? Or is there another one

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKCII master piraka is 100% correct. In the slides you can see the same broken structure that appears in the ViDoc. [url=http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/musicman247/NewIP.jpg]Lazy Link to a pic of the slide[/url][/quote]That looks wonderful!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKCII [url=http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/musicman247/blurrypic1.jpg]Blurry Pic of stuff Bungie doesn't want us to see yet #1[/url][/quote] Top left picture is a Jawa Sandcrawler. Bottom left picture is a floating goldfish. Top right picture is Cortana sex. Bottom right picture is Alice in Wonderland, giant mushroom.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKCII [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Callumca A bit of a unnecessary response (People these days why are they so impolite?)it wasn't as if I was calling you a liar I was merely stating I couldn't find it although now I have. I see exactly what you mean though they are extremely similar however there is a slight variation in that there are fans and metallic poles in the video, a slight variation in the elevation of the sand and the mountains different.I completely agree though that this game or the technology behind it must have been in development for a long time[/quote] You can see the shadows for the poles on the snow/sand The engine is probably the Reach engine. The talk was given after Halo 3 ODST was out, so they were probably working on the Reach engine at the time. My guess is the new IP will be using a new version of the Reach engine.[/quote] The poles were in front of the building and next to it in the video but regardless it's probably been changed over time. While I see your logic behind it being the reach engine I hope it isn't mainly because I think it would exciting to see a from the ground up designed engine specifically for this game.Although the art style seems above and beyond Reach which is good

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  • There's some rumours going around that it's an MMORPG. I'm hoping that it's free-roam if it's not. [Edited on 08.04.2011 3:55 PM PDT]

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  • Whatever it is, it will undoubtedly be great. I speculate that they will confirm their project late 2012, and there will be some tables turning. Now let's hope Activision doesn't treat Bungie like Infinity Ward.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKCII [url=http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee199/musicman247/blurrypic1.jpg]Blurry Pic of stuff Bungie doesn't want us to see yet #1[/url][/quote] Top left seems to be a streetlight, but why is the light so visible AND it's daytime. Bottom left seems to be some sort of flying thing, wether it be a spaceship or plane. Top right is hard to say... The character may have a gun Bottom left one has a gun, possibly a rifle, he is pointing it at/by a figure standing... Alsmot like the first Reach level but there is a new structure...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Daedalos42 There's some rumours going around that it's an MMORPG. I'm hoping that it's free-roam if it's not. [/quote] If it's a MMO I'm going to lose intrest in Bungie's games.

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  • A quick google image search for bungie's new mmo. Found this which looks very interesting : [url=http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/jq0p3l-1.png] possible concept art for "destiny" [/url] Maybe it's old, or maybe it's the first time you guys have seen it. Regardless it looks cool.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKCII You can see the shadows for the poles on the snow/sand The engine is probably the Reach engine. The talk was given after Halo 3 ODST was out, so they were probably working on the Reach engine at the time. My guess is the new IP will be using a new version of the Reach engine.[/quote] I doubt that the new IP will use the Reach Engine, since it was optimized for Halo on an Xbox. Bungie is developing across multiplatforms now. That means they need a new graphics and mechanics engine to handle all the new tools they would have to develop for compatibilities across consoles and pc's/smartphones and the such. As well, I believe the engine they created may fall under rights by Microsoft, since it was a tool they couldn't have been able to make without IP funding by microsoft. Sooooo, not the reach engine. Plus these graphics look too good to be a Reach engine. Just from the short snips of what we saw, I can tell you this i much more advanced. Close to a Dice Frostbite2 engine or even better.

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  • I believe this new IP is going to be an Oblivion sorta knock off, but with Scifi/Magic mixed together and will look pretty awesome, but have the feel like the Prey2 trailer. Magical Spartan Sheriff. Yeah, that's the ticket!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] toxicpanther615 A quick google image search for bungie's new mmo. Found this which looks very interesting : [url=http://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/jq0p3l-1.png] possible concept art for "destiny" [/url] Maybe it's old, or maybe it's the first time you guys have seen it. Regardless it looks cool.[/quote] This is a very old pic from a magazine I read called Imagine Fx. That is where I saw it first. I highly doubt it is from 'Destiny'. If Im right, I think it was the cover piece.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Billy Vandergaw I believe this new IP is going to be an Oblivion sorta knock off, but with Scifi/Magic mixed together and will look pretty awesome, but have the feel like the Prey2 trailer. Magical Spartan Sheriff. Yeah, that's the ticket![/quote] I don't think it's going to be an oblivion knock off I think it's heavily inspired by planetside and the recently announced planetside 2 but im just guessing as we all are

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Drakonous [url]http://misriahsolutions.com/articles/waiting-for-destiny/[/url] Go here for the ultimate speculation[/quote] Woah man, this stuff is great.

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  • I think factions too. Why make merchandise for something youre not gonna keep. Nobody makes a game and calls it "future war council"

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Daedalos42 There's some rumours going around that it's an MMORPG. I'm hoping that it's free-roam if it's not. [/quote] Yea... Imagine if the new game was a massive Forge type universe. To create your own place.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bouncer7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Drakonous [url]http://misriahsolutions.com/articles/waiting-for-destiny/[/url] Go here for the ultimate speculation[/quote] Woah man, this stuff is great.[/quote] Amazing Page.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Billy Vandergaw [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SKCII You can see the shadows for the poles on the snow/sand The engine is probably the Reach engine. The talk was given after Halo 3 ODST was out, so they were probably working on the Reach engine at the time. My guess is the new IP will be using a new version of the Reach engine.[/quote] I doubt that the new IP will use the Reach Engine, since it was optimized for Halo on an Xbox. Bungie is developing across multiplatforms now. That means they need a new graphics and mechanics engine to handle all the new tools they would have to develop for compatibilities across consoles and pc's/smartphones and the such. As well, I believe the engine they created may fall under rights by Microsoft, since it was a tool they couldn't have been able to make without IP funding by microsoft. Sooooo, not the reach engine. Plus these graphics look too good to be a Reach engine. Just from the short snips of what we saw, I can tell you this i much more advanced. Close to a Dice Frostbite2 engine or even better.[/quote] I don't know if you're right, but what we see was pre-alpha code (Frostbite 2 engine like is just hypothesis) There's 2 possible option : 1) It's Reach engine modified from the lybrary (DX9-DX10 or 11) like any other one engine, they re-write many thing like new Hi'res texture, new animation system (Facecap as we can see in the Vidoc) Day-Night-Weather Cycle etc... 2) It's a brand new engine, writing from scratch, not from Halo Reach Base, but something on what Jones and ODST team is working on since 2008. I don't know but i'll try to figure how Bungie is organized for this new i.p Back in 2007 two team began to work on two distinct project ODST and Reach. ODST team push the old engine to it's max, while Reach team re-write it and built Reach engine, but for the new game it was ODST team wich work on it (i suppose the're wasn't a third team at this time) there was a pre-prod for some concept, ideas and game-mechanics. After the release of Halo:ODST in September 2009 they divided ODST dev in two team, one was composed of creative people for elaborate the Universe and the rest was composed of tech team supposed to create the engine to run the game. After September 14th 2010 Reach Team which was the most important of the studio join the "Destiny" project and form only one core team for it, while at the same time Bungie make a division dedicated to mobile game(they're employing people too) Bungie Aerospace.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CanineThewolvie while at the same time Bungie make a division dedicated to mobile game(they're employing people too) Bungie Aerospace.[/quote] This and the quote from Joe Staten at GDC 2010: [quote][b]Said by: [/b]Joe Staten "Wouldn't it be great if we could make a world that was always there for you? Wow. That would be great."[/quote] Makes me wonder if Bungie is making a cross-platform-device game? Play on any console, computer, or mobile device any time you want. That would be amazing. [Edited on 08.05.2011 10:26 AM PDT]

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