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12/19/2010 1:03:11 AM
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A Word on Casuals
Do you know why casuals are hated on more often than "hardcore" gamers?
I believe I have a theory.
Casuals (myself included) look further down the road.
Most casuals probably figured that back in 2007, that 50 in Halo 3 ranked wasn't gonna mean jack sheeit in 3-4 years.
Same with that 10th prestige in Modern Warfare when MW2 came out.
Most of the complainers wanted their skill to transfer from game to game to game and ALWAYS be the best. The only time that's happened to me was the Guitar Hero franchise.
But why do you think casuals are hated on?
If you please, state whether you are a casual or a hardcore gamer, and say what you think defines a casual or a hardcore.
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A hardcore player will always play to win and/or to get really good stats and a good rank. A casual will sometimes play to win, then play to bag a particular opponent who was a dick in the pre-game lobby, then get 0 kills the next match as they were trying to get a Splatter Spree with a Mongoose, then spend the next game only going for ninjas. Basically, each stereotype finds a different aspect of the game fun and so concentrates on that aspect.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajincamelot I'm sort of a mix of Casual/Hardcore. I enjoy playing, having fun, etc.. But I hate it when someone sits there and spawn traps me. But.. I love when my team spawn traps.. o_O Hypocritical? I play to win, but if I lose I'm like.. Meh. I love when I rank up! New rank = New items! [/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SteelerFan007 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zdann [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BBrulz82 Hardcore gamers never wanted random factors added into a game.[/quote]Because random factors don't make games fun[/quote] This...[/quote] Casual players didn't program the game or petition to have the game made so different than past entries in the franchise. They are not to blame. On topic: Casuals get flamed because the so-called competetive crowd usually thinks their e-peen is bigger than it really is, and shows this by picking on what is perceived as the less skilled/ less invested members of the community. It's the same concept behind school bullies who pick on their "weaker" classmates so they can feel better about themselves.
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I'm sort of a mix of Casual/Hardcore. I enjoy playing, having fun, etc.. But I hate it when someone sits there and spawn traps me. But.. I love when my team spawn traps.. o_O Hypocritical? I play to win, but if I lose I'm like.. Meh. I love when I rank up! New rank = New items! [Edited on 12.20.2010 12:21 AM PST]
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I don't give a flying -blam!- about rank, guns, or kills, I just want to WIN. Because it gives my pleasure..
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I assume, I'm a casual gamer, with the objective to do as good as possible. In fact, I kinda think I'm a hardcore gamer, without the skill. lol
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I don't hate on casuals unless they're under the false impression that they're "uber 1337 mlg pros" just because they beat randoms in matchmaking. You're a casual until you start competing in real tourneys(and I don't mean gamebattles) and winning. Face it; 99.99 percent of all gamers are casuals. Just like 99.99 percent of all people who participate in sports are not in a professional league. Yes, this means I'm a casual. I'm fine with that. [Edited on 12.20.2010 12:18 AM PST]
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I am more on the hardcore side of things, but I play the game for fun. EVERYONE DOES. its the view of "fun" that makes the hardcore different from the casual. ya sometimes I like to doink aroind and try something that probably won't work. why? its fun, especially if it does work :D mostly, I want to do the best I can and even if I loose the game, I want to know I lost to a team that was better due to skill. Reach is made for the casual mindset when all the other halos were made more for the hardcore. that is where the problems are at. Bungie wanted it so anyone can be decent at the game and have a chance this time around, no other halo was like that. If you were new to halo back in the day, you would get destroyed until you could fend for yourself. nope, not reach. so everyone, give the game some time to mature more and have fun. whatever your idea of fun is, go do it! You purchased the game, you can play it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xHSx SnEaKy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DHG Crossfire Only reason i hate casuals, is because 1.they think nothing competitive matters 2.they think because the game is balanced at their level, it's balanced on all levels. 3.stereotypes anyone who takes a video game competitively. I don't care how they choose to play, i have a huge problem with the way most of them think.[/quote] This and if they arent good with the weapon , its overpowered and should be nerfed.[/quote] Woah, woah, woah! I think none of these, except 2, because I'm usually right.
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I'm a hardcore Halofan, but a casual gamer.
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Casual. I don't see need to be awesome when no one will recognize you in reality AND none of it will matter in the end; new games always come out.
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I love how they all argue that "random factors don't make games fun." Well, why are you playing multiplayer? Multiplayer is a HUGE random factor. Players can be unpredictable. Players use strategy. All these MLG kiddies complaing about random factors makes me wonder why they they aren't competing in campaign where nothing is random and everything is scripted. Idiots.
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I'd like to consider myself a casual. I like to play the game by the rules and yes I get upset about spawn kills, campers, etc. just like others do, but at the end of each match I have to remember it's just a game. Winning is fun. I like to win. I'm not going to get upset if I lose a match to someone who plays better than me. I'm going to say, "Hey good game." My K/D sucks too. Don't troll. Sometimes though, hardcore is too hardcore. A friend of mine just recently hooked up to XBL and I brought Reach over to his house to play. 1st time he's ever played the game in matchmaking and one of our team mates tells him he sucks and rants and raves. I told the dude it would be ok and that it's "only a game" to which he replied, "It's not just a game!!!!!!" Wow! It's a videoGAME. So, there are times that I cringe at hardcore gamers. Are you getting paid to play this game? Is someone matching your 401K? Are they providing you with health, dental, and vision insurance? If so, congrats! Hope it holds up for you until you're 65. If not, it's only a game.
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Casual gamers- play the game and don't complain very much. Competitive gamers- water gameplay down for their needs and complain about things they do not like.
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I am neither casual nor hardcore. I am competitive. I play for fun, but I play to win. People like me don't hate on casuals or hardcores, but hardcores tend to hate on casuals.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Squadly [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zdann [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Team DV Uh, H3 50s are still the best at reach. The top of onyx division is all H3 50s. The best players in each competitive playlist are also all H3 50s.[/quote]Being the best in the competitive playlists doesn't mean anything there just the social playlists[/quote] What else is there? The best in Arena are Halo 3 50s. The best in MLG are Halo 3 50s. The best in the "Competitive" (Social) are Halo 3 50s.[/quote] you best be listening to squadly he knows all.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Krewl Intent I also have a theory... *puts on flamesuit* Your competitive players, which I believe is what you are describing as hardcore, are looking for a level, predictable environment. I commonly refer to it as the NASCAR way of thinking. The rules and variables are all targeted to make the only variable the skill of the player. This means, if you get beat, it was by a more skilled player, not by someone stumbling upon a rocket spawn behind you because of dynamic spawns. The casual players are more like F1. We want the environment to constantly be a factor, and force us to adapt to it. Since the causal player is not a concerned about the skill of the other team, and their own (as long as they are close), don't confuse this with not being concerned with winning. Most will give 100% to a game, but not be upset about a loss because of some inbalance, or environmental variable that would cause a competitive player to toss his controller in disgust... There really is not one that is "better" than the other, and both POV are valid, just different. The trick is being able to create a game flexible enough to allow for both types of players to enjoy their gaming experience... -KI[/quote] QFT
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I always played for fun.. but still i know to recognize a -blam!- game.. nobody likes -blam!- games.. also random physics and stuff makes for fun..
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I'm Casual. I play games because I enjoy playing games. I'll admit I get caught up into the whole scheme of metagaming, but i'm certinally not Hardcore. I don't think theres a line between what defines Hardcore playing and Casual gaming, but its simply defined in the demeanor of the gamer.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BADBOY2408 I think casual players just play because they're bored, but hardcore gamers play because they want a challenge, if you have been playing casual the whole time, there's no point in playing if you don't challenge yourself [/quote] Did you put any thought into this statement, or are you just trying to get people to argue with you because you are bored? -KI
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I am mostly casual but a little competitive and one thing what always happens is I stand right in the middle of absolute chaos I mean it on invasion on breakpoint as I was about to get the objective there then a rocket hog a banshee a wraith and a falcon shoot each other and the hog and falcon kill me
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Rank never means anything. I would consider myself a semi casual competitive player. I play for fun, but I generally only have fun if I'm winning. I couldn't care about rank.
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I think casual players just play because they're bored, but hardcore gamers play because they want a challenge, if you have been playing casual the whole time, there's no point in playing if you don't challenge yourself
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] absolutezer052 I believe that, like everything else in life, this often seen casuals V hardcore debate is, less black and white than it would appear. Every casual is at least a little competitive, even if it may be with weaponry or an environment that is a little random, and every hardcore player can still enjoy a nice custom firefight with 300% jump height and speed, and 50% gravity every once in a while. That said, they are still two very different groups. Casuals would prefer a game where they can laugh at some random explosions or vehicular mayhem. Hardcore players want to know that they killed that player because they had a better BR. Although there are playlists that cater to both groups, in my opinion the basic, unchangeable gameplay mechanics are tilted towards the casual crowd. Compare a game of Halo 3 MLG with Halo Reach MLG (i pick this playlist because it is mostly accepted as the playlist most fully oriented towards the hardcore player). I personaly prefer the Halo 3 version of this playlist, the gameplay just seems more natural for this playlist. Despite my best attempts, you have probably noticed my bias for the hardcore side. Please do not respond to this by saying "go play halo 3 then freakin troll"[/quote]I would go as far as to say that simplifying people into either Hardcore or Casual is detrimental to the discussion. The way I see it, those who define themselves as hardcore are most worried about balance and assume that the casuals are not. I am not a hardcore player but you don't think I get pissed off when someone armour locks twice in a row or an equally cheap tactic? Of course I care about balance. It's ridiculous to assume that a bad player should be able to beat a good player, because then it's not even a game and it's not fun. That's literally the foundation on which multiplayer games are constructed. "If you are better than another player, you will beat them." Now, here's the problem. Casuals, due to the fact that they are [i]Casual[/i] players, don't have as much as an agenda as the Hardcore contingency for obvious reasons. The only strong opinions Casual gamers have about a game are those projected upon them. Clearly I don't fit into either group. I only play a couple of games a week so I'm not hardcore but I also care about their grievances so I'm not casual. See where the problem is?
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I'm a casual gamer I guess. In the actual mindset of a game I can become quite absorbed and tactile, but that's just proof that Reach is an intense and immersive game, which for me, means Reach is [i]fun[/i]. -Twiggy
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sipher100 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fail mongrel Casual - Play for fun, Hardcore - Play to make themselves look good. I guess I would be casual beacuse I just wanna shoot things and don't care about virtual rank.[/quote] see i see gaining ranks as part of the fun it's a goal somthing to work tords and stuff [/quote] i totally agree with you there!
