Games do this all the time tho? Like if you bought Dragon Age Inquisition, none of your Dragon Age 2 stuff transfers over except your character design.

Difference being those are singleplayer games(that can be played and enjoyed whenever) while Destiny is an MMO-lite game, people have purchased all this content in the game and also a lot of cosmetics just for them to just be effectively thrown away will kill any chance of Destiny 3 succeeding. I don't mind losing gear like exotics, weapons and actual armor items but we should not lose any of our cosmetics. Bungie going on that D2 will continue just to reveal an incoming D3 where we lose everything again will be such a kick in the teeth and a lot of players are not going to like that. Going from D1 to D2 at most people lost 2-3 years worth of cosmetics which is still a big deal and people were pissed not even just about cosmetics but gear too, now imagine the outrage when they will lose 7+ years of stuff.

[quote]Difference being those are singleplayer games(that can be played and enjoyed whenever) while Destiny is an MMO-lite game, people have purchased all this content in the game and also a lot of cosmetics just for them to just be effectively thrown away will kill any chance of Destiny 3 succeeding. I don't mind losing gear like exotics, weapons and actual armor items but we should not lose any of our cosmetics. Bungie going on that D2 will continue just to reveal an incoming D3 where we lose everything again will be such a kick in the teeth and a lot of players are not going to like that. Going from D1 to D2 at most people lost 2-3 years worth of cosmetics which is still a big deal and people were pissed not even just about cosmetics but gear too, now imagine the outrage when they will lose 7+ years of stuff.[/quote] I mean, no, not really. I can't name a single game where the next one let you keep everything you had in the prior game. Even games that are direct sequels, like final fantasy 7 remake doesn't let you keep your stuff to the next game, which starts minutes after the first game ends. Mobile games don't do it, MMOs don't do it either. I think this is a thing where there's an expectation because Destiny isn't really like any other game, but ultimately, it is like every other game. As long as they write it in such a way where losing all our stuff makes sense, then it's fine canonically, but I didn't get to keep squat between D1 and D2 and it ultimately didn't matter. They explained where my vault went, it made sense, we all moved on. I mean, they're digital goods, not real. We buy them to support the developer, not to expect to keep them for the rest of our natural lives across multiple game releases. I could see like a bonus pack of stuff for players migrating from D2 to D3, but expecting them to make every cosmetic in D2 for D3 and then just giving it away. Like bruh, that ain't what you paid for lol and nowhere did Bungie even promise that.

And the change from D1 to D2 almost killed the company, as not only did you lose everything the game also launched in a terrible state. Also, from D1 to D2 at most players only lost 2-3 years worth of stuff with the promise of a better base game and they didn't get a better base game. As for D2 to D3 we would be losing 7+ years of stuff and for what, the promise of a better launch state again? If it didn't come with every exotic weapon and armor currently available in D2 at launch then we'd just see constant reissues of old exotics we have played with for years instead of new items. Does Bungie need to do this? No, but they should otherwise they'd be facing a bigger outrage than sunsetting and content vaulting in BL. D2 is still missing large chunks of its own content and making a D3 would be counter-productive imo. I don't expect Bungie to retain my individual Hung Jury roll into D3 but respecting the players by transferring non-gameplay altering items into D3 which more than likely is going to be on the same engine would be a good gesture especially when they are at an all time low trying to sell another Destiny game.

[quote]And the change from D1 to D2 almost killed the company, as not only did you lose everything the game also launched in a terrible state. Also, from D1 to D2 at most players only lost 2-3 years worth of stuff with the promise of a better base game and they didn't get a better base game. As for D2 to D3 we would be losing 7+ years of stuff and for what, the promise of a better launch state again? If it didn't come with every exotic weapon and armor currently available in D2 at launch then we'd just see constant reissues of old exotics we have played with for years instead of new items. Does Bungie need to do this? No, but they should otherwise they'd be facing a bigger outrage than sunsetting and content vaulting in BL. D2 is still missing large chunks of its own content and making a D3 would be counter-productive imo. I don't expect Bungie to retain my individual Hung Jury roll into D3 but respecting the players by transferring non-gameplay altering items into D3 which more than likely is going to be on the same engine would be a good gesture especially when they are at an all time low trying to sell another Destiny game.[/quote] No it didn't. D2 has been way more successful than D1. This game as two things that people don't take into consideration when talking about the health of the company. 1. The silent majority, who didn't care, so they didn't post, bought the game, and played it. 2. The loud minority, who cares a lot, and posted about it so much that it clogged the forums and reddit. You're part of the loud minority. Most people didn't care. When you buy in game content, the [b][i] expectation[/i][/b] is that it's for that game, not every game the developer makes from here until the heat death of the universe. Most people won't care because it'll be a new, different game. It won't be D2, just like how D2 wasn't D1. You need to get out more fr. It's insane that you expect developers to code in all the things you bought from a different game, otherwise it's "not respecting your time." I didn't get to keep all of my Halo 4 cosmetics when I bought Halo 5. I didn't throw a spoiled brat fit about it. I just earned different cosmetics. Bungie may not even do cosmetics the same way in D3. You don't know.

[quote]No it didn't. D2 has been way more successful than D1. This game as two things that people don't take into consideration when talking about the health of the company.[/quote] Go read their own GDC presentation, the one by Justin Truman. [quote]1. The silent majority, who didn't care, so they didn't post, bought the game, and played it. 2. The loud minority, who cares a lot, and posted about it so much that it clogged the forums and reddit.[/quote] The silent majority left. [quote]When you buy in game content, the expectation is that it's for that game, not every game the developer makes from here until the heat death of the universe. Most people won't care because it'll be a new, different game. It won't be D2, just like how D2 wasn't D1.[/quote] Destiny 2 had to claw back features that D1 had and replicate it. [quote]You need to get out more fr. It's insane that you expect developers to code in all the things you bought from a different game, otherwise it's "not respecting your time." I didn't get to keep all of my Halo 4 cosmetics when I bought Halo 5. I didn't throw a spoiled brat fit about it. I just earned different cosmetics. Bungie may not even do cosmetics the same way in D3. You don't know.[/quote] Resetting the playerbase for a second time after 7+ years especially at current sentiment is not going to go well. All I can say is good luck to Bungie trying to resell Gjallarhorn for the fourth time because they can shove it as far as I'm concerned if they go with D3 and completely reset us again.

[quote][quote]No it didn't. D2 has been way more successful than D1. This game as two things that people don't take into consideration when talking about the health of the company.[/quote] Go read their own GDC presentation, the one by Justin Truman. [quote]1. The silent majority, who didn't care, so they didn't post, bought the game, and played it. 2. The loud minority, who cares a lot, and posted about it so much that it clogged the forums and reddit.[/quote] The silent majority left. [quote]When you buy in game content, the expectation is that it's for that game, not every game the developer makes from here until the heat death of the universe. Most people won't care because it'll be a new, different game. It won't be D2, just like how D2 wasn't D1.[/quote] Destiny 2 had to claw back features that D1 had and replicate it. [quote]You need to get out more fr. It's insane that you expect developers to code in all the things you bought from a different game, otherwise it's "not respecting your time." I didn't get to keep all of my Halo 4 cosmetics when I bought Halo 5. I didn't throw a spoiled brat fit about it. I just earned different cosmetics. Bungie may not even do cosmetics the same way in D3. You don't know.[/quote] Resetting the playerbase for a second time after 7+ years especially at current sentiment is not going to go well. All I can say is good luck to Bungie trying to resell Gjallarhorn for the fourth time because they can shove it as far as I'm concerned if they go with D3 and completely reset us again.[/quote] I'm talking about the entirety of the game's history, not one sh*t month back in 2018. He literally says moments later that 2022 was the best year in D2 history. The silent majority is still very much present. The loud minority is a lot smaller than they think they are. 10k players, tops, that think they represent everyone and they don't. At all. And they never have. D2 did not "claw back" anything that D1 had. They changed things, yes, but it was not to replicate D1. Go play D1 again, you're wearing nostalgia goggles. D1 sucked comparatively. It was clunky, no Mantle, no class abilities, and bosses in nightfalls were even bigger bullet sponges than they are now. D2's engine is bursting at the seams, which is one of the reasons the game is so buggy. If Bungie were to keep Destiny going long term, they're gonna need to eventually develop a game on a newer engine. I mean hell, the engine can't handle more than 700 vault spaces. We're maxed out. It can't go anywhere. If they stayed with D1 and never did D2, the franchise would've died because the engine is antiquated and not fun compared to modern games. People will migrate to a D3 that is demonstrably better than D2, with more features, better QOL, and a bunch of new stuff.

[quote]I'm talking about the entirety of the game's history, not one sh*t month back in 2018. He literally says moments later that 2022 was the best year in D2 history.[/quote] Then Lightfall came out lol, I think he spoke too soon on that one. But still that point in time where they thought D2 was going to be a massive hit didn't work out well and they had to rush to give us back a lot of the stuff we had in D1. But yes they were panicing during that time period as they were bleeding players and Warmind only did very little to hold it back with only Forsaken really getting a lot of players back. One bad year can be fixed with a new expansion but two bad years can lead to very dire things especially with how fast Bungie burns resources. [quote]The silent majority is still very much present. The loud minority is a lot smaller than they think they are. 10k players, tops, that think they represent everyone and they don't. At all. And they never have.[/quote] Majority of players dropped the game back in Y1 and some more with BL. [quote]D2 did not "claw back" anything that D1 had. They changed things, yes, but it was not to replicate D1. Go play D1 again, you're wearing nostalgia goggles. D1 sucked comparatively. It was clunky, no Mantle, no class abilities, and bosses in nightfalls were even bigger bullet sponges than they are now.[/quote] Random rolls, armor perks, infinite use shaders, collections, grimoire/lore cards and strike/nightfall specific loot. They did expand on most of that sure but the fact that had to even redo that stuff to begin with is not going to fill people will confidence for another launch of a Destiny game. [quote]D2's engine is bursting at the seams, which is one of the reasons the game is so buggy. If Bungie were to keep Destiny going long term, they're gonna need to eventually develop a game on a newer engine. I mean hell, the engine can't handle more than 700 vault spaces. We're maxed out. It can't go anywhere.[/quote] Unless D3 somehow can mitigate these issues and run for way longer then we'll just be back in the same position as we are now. Also for vault space as far as I know its not really tied to the engine just server space and how much data it needs to store. I assume D3 will still be running on the Tiger engine just updated, which means the same issues will persist but might be held off a little longer. [quote]If they stayed with D1 and never did D2, the franchise would've died because the engine is antiquated and not fun compared to modern games. People will migrate to a D3 that is demonstrably better than D2, with more features, better QOL, and a bunch of new stuff.[/quote] If D3 is significantly better and doesn't pull a D2Y1 and give us something stupid like triple primaries lol then it'll do alright. Bungie is going to have a hard job though convincing players to actually invest into it though unless its actually just that good.

[quote][quote]I'm talking about the entirety of the game's history, not one sh*t month back in 2018. He literally says moments later that 2022 was the best year in D2 history.[/quote] Then Lightfall came out lol, I think he spoke too soon on that one. But still that point in time where they thought D2 was going to be a massive hit didn't work out well and they had to rush to give us back a lot of the stuff we had in D1. But yes they were panicing during that time period as they were bleeding players and Warmind only did very little to hold it back with only Forsaken really getting a lot of players back. One bad year can be fixed with a new expansion but two bad years can lead to very dire things especially with how fast Bungie burns resources. [quote]The silent majority is still very much present. The loud minority is a lot smaller than they think they are. 10k players, tops, that think they represent everyone and they don't. At all. And they never have.[/quote] Majority of players dropped the game back in Y1 and some more with BL. [quote]D2 did not "claw back" anything that D1 had. They changed things, yes, but it was not to replicate D1. Go play D1 again, you're wearing nostalgia goggles. D1 sucked comparatively. It was clunky, no Mantle, no class abilities, and bosses in nightfalls were even bigger bullet sponges than they are now.[/quote] Random rolls, armor perks, infinite use shaders, collections, grimoire/lore cards and strike/nightfall specific loot. They did expand on most of that sure but the fact that had to even redo that stuff to begin with is not going to fill people will confidence for another launch of a Destiny game. [quote]D2's engine is bursting at the seams, which is one of the reasons the game is so buggy. If Bungie were to keep Destiny going long term, they're gonna need to eventually develop a game on a newer engine. I mean hell, the engine can't handle more than 700 vault spaces. We're maxed out. It can't go anywhere.[/quote] Unless D3 somehow can mitigate these issues and run for way longer then we'll just be back in the same position as we are now. Also for vault space as far as I know its not really tied to the engine just server space and how much data it needs to store. I assume D3 will still be running on the Tiger engine just updated, which means the same issues will persist but might be held off a little longer. [quote]If they stayed with D1 and never did D2, the franchise would've died because the engine is antiquated and not fun compared to modern games. People will migrate to a D3 that is demonstrably better than D2, with more features, better QOL, and a bunch of new stuff.[/quote] If D3 is significantly better and doesn't pull a D2Y1 and give us something stupid like triple primaries lol then it'll do alright. Bungie is going to have a hard job though convincing players to actually invest into it though unless its actually just that good.[/quote] Lightfall has record player numbers, they just didn't stick around. Same thing with every DLC. Player behavior has remained consistent for almost every dlc. Everyone shows up for the dlc, and then after they're done, most players leave. My clan has been mostly dead for a month. Onslaught came out, and the entire clan was online in the same day. I've literally watched this pattern for years. And yes, even if they come out with a D3, eventually there will be a need for a D4. Things don't last forever. Games that try end up dead with 90 players and no one cares about them. Honestly, it's a miracle this game has lasted as long as it has without completely falling apart. And people will migrate cuz of D3 ever came out, it would be the one getting the updates and new content. D1 hasn't seen anything major since the rise of iron after D2 came out. Same thing. People go where the new stuff is, simple as that, and D2 will be left with 90 players just like D1 has now. Bungie will leave the servers on for those 90 people forever too, and then whine about bleeding resources.

[quote]And yes, even if they come out with a D3, eventually there will be a need for a D4. Things don't last forever. Games that try end up dead with 90 players and no one cares about them.[/quote] Ah, yes World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy 14 the notoriously dead games with only 90 players.