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3/12/2024 4:09:14 AM
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Only Way to Fix Trials is to Stop Gatekeeping
Passage of Persistance should just be get 7 wins and you get the adept. Losses don't hurt in anyway, and you don't have to do any card resetting until you get the adept. Once you get it, you reset and get another adept roll after 7 more wins. This would keep people in the playlist until they get their god roll and make the mode much healthier.
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If you still can't get an adept with the easiest trials card they have added I think it does boil down to a skill issue. Just play control more until you have a squad to 3 man trials. Farm for god role pvp weapons from nightfalls. You can't expect to get rewarded just for playing.
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7 RepliesTrials should have never existed in the first place. If they didn’t “half bake” it like they said in the video, “win 7 games in a row” would have never become an objective in the first place. To all the people who try to gatekeep: you are scumbags.
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I remember when I had fun playing trials, when I wasn’t getting 5-0ed for 6 games in a row
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6 RepliesAs someone who goes flawless multiple times every week, I think its a great idea. 1 adept for any 7 win card is not going to break the game, its going to get more players into the game mode. More people will farm cards and play the game.
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Edited by Ogma: Destroyer of Worlds: 3/15/2024 7:31:15 PMNot adepts. The weapons in general. The problem is that even if you are ok at PvP, the chances of getting a weapon roll that you want is abysmal because of how infrequently they drop. Those weapons are reasonably accessible for like the top 10% of PvP players. They’re literally not worth chasing if you’re in the other 90% because you’re more likely to get an endgame exotic than they roll you want on a Trials weapon if you’re in that 90%. It’s just bad reward design. The less accessible a mode’s basic/general loot is to players, the less successful the mode will be. The less it will be generally liked by the player base as a whole. The less it will be played. I’m not good. I stopped playing it because it wasn’t nowhere near rewarding enough for the time investment. Even with this new persistence passage(which doesn’t work right), it’s still not worth it because I don’t even care about adepts. I just want the roll I want on a regular version. I’m trying anyway but this will be the last weekend I attempt Trials again unless something changes. It’s just not enjoyable to dedicate large amounts of time and effort into something and not walk away with a single desired reward. Like I said, it’s just bad reward design.
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13 RepliesI agree. It’ll still never happen. All these gatekeeping elitists will just say “It’s not meant for casuals, it’s meant for good players.” Then when the Trials Pool is bone-dry and no casual ever wants to play it because it’s just not worth the effort, all the elites are sitting there blaming Bungie and the meta.
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Ohh no not pve players all upset
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looking at it from OP's perspective is alot of lesser players put more work in to just get 7 wins them some do going to the light house 10 times. Bungie could easily just make all trials and crucible gear confined to those activities.
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1 ReplyThere's just no way they gave you persistence AND 2 mercies and yall STILL whining. Simply no way.
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1 ReplyEdited by Bore: 3/14/2024 5:05:19 PM[quote]Passage of Persistance should just be get 7 wins and you get the adept. Losses don't hurt in anyway, and you don't have to do any card resetting until you get the adept. Once you get it, you reset and get another adept roll after 7 more wins. This would keep people in the playlist until they get their god roll and make the mode much healthier.[/quote] Except this makes Adepts no longer special, meaning you won’t want them anymore. Adepts offer minor advantages over refactor weapons. In most cases you won’t even notice the difference. So why aren’t you playing a bunch right now to get the normal weapons? It’s because the method of obtaining an Adept makes them special. Why would you still play once they’re no longer special?
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6 RepliesMy god could they make it any easier ? If they do why you say next you’ll be like waaah I wanna go lighthouse to and get the momento and waaah 7 wins is too many
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3 RepliesPvP has so many bull -blam!- aspects to it that anyone using skill issue as a rebuttal is delusional
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19 RepliesNah gatekeep harder. Making it free obviously didn't work
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I thought this system would be the fairest: 7 wins 0 losses trip to light house 100% adept weapon plus unique armour shader ghost ship 7 wins 1 loss 75% chance of an adept weapon 7 wins 2 losses 50% chance of an adept weapon 7 wins 3+ losses 25% chance of an adept weapon It still rewards something but require some skill for greater rewards
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Yeah but then you kill the streamers, whose main business revolves around carries. You also get rid of the need of many to cheat. You will get rid of many off stream carry services, who have several accounts and artificially inflate the player population. You also… hold on. Hmmm. Nah, bad idea. /s
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4 RepliesTotally agree with OP. Also, this community is so toxic about anything, it makes me sick.
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Sounds like a good idea.
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1 ReplyAt this point why even bother having adepts at all….
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3 RepliesWelp I'm gonna take the radical route here and go trials would be better if they did away with flawless in general. Because then no one cares if they lose or not because that's the main issue for most. But like I said radical route.
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21 RepliesThis would not fix trials. Nothing can fix trials, because nothing can fix Destiny PvP. It was bad since day one. This would just make getting adepts easy. The whole point of trails is to get flawless. If you remove that, you might as well remove the playlist.
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Wrong, only way to fix Trails is to stop the cheating and since that won’t happen it’ll probably never be fixed.
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3 RepliesDang people been asking for free adept for years It finally happens and people still complain
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The way persistence currently works is probably as far as I’d go with making it easier for players without agreeing with the people saying adepts are just being given away now. Trials is a game mode about rewarding achievement. I’d consider winning 7 games in a row an achievement. I’d consider winning potential dozens of games to finally string together enough wins in a row an achievement(of persistence, hence the name) I would not consider winning 7 random games against bot walkers sandwiches between a bunch of losses an achievement Sorry, but are basically the only trophy in trials. I’m happy they were made more accessible, but definitely not [i]that[/i] accessible
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Don't think that'll help. Adepts in Trials is like Adepts in other aspects of the game, they're in master tier content, which means the par to subpar players will find it difficult to attain them without a really good team. 7 wins without punishment for losses would be counter productive and no one would find any motivation to go to the lighthouse. Trials has gone from "Only the Sweats and Cheaters will make it to the Lighthouse", to "If you have a good team, even a bad player can get carried to the Lighthouse and look like a demigod" to now "Have pulse? Can win"
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2 RepliesDespite being a PvE main, I'm going to hard disagree with you. Adepts are supposed to be superior versions of weapons in the game, so there needs to be some risk in obtaining them to balance that out. Otherwise, they would lose their value. Imagine if GMs didn't kick you to orbit it the team wiped. Imagine if you could get away with someone being AFK for an entire encounter in a Hard Mode Raid Challenge. That's what you're asking for. Adepts to lose what little value they still have.
