In light of recent events of argument about sbmm and control now having a leaving penalty, I decided to point out all of the indirect hurtles that have come from attempted pvp balancing. I started relative to witch queen but had seen a lot of destiny 2 videos and gameplay before that to know enough about it and it's predecessor. Pvp used to be "fun" for people, the example gamemode being control where people could take non meta loadouts or weapons like skyburners and still have some reasonable fun... But sbmm which should've only been applied to trials, survival and other comp playlists invaded control, a casual playlist. Trials and survival were the ones needing sbmm the most as they were most of the time unfun as you would get curb stomped by a 3 stack of sweaty clan people. Pvp community has been torn apart about the dilemma of sbmm is good or not. I'm trying to avoid arguing but my take on it is there should be no leaving penalty or sbmm in control and control only. I don't want anymore things in the game ruined by pvps need of balancing. I'm a warlock and most of the stuff I enjoyed like top tree stormcaller and bottom tree dawnblade we're destroyed because of the relative pvp backlash about the subclass as a whole. Destiny's pvp is a very vicious cycle. Because of pvp a movement exotic often used by pve players to do puzzles got nerfed, these being stompees, which rightfully deserved the nerf in pvp but not pve. The same goes for geomags and chaos reach, they needed a nerf in pvp but not pve. Top tree was wined about and how pheonix dive was supposed to be a hunter attack, bottom tree is now gone and all that remains is pheonix dive... The pvp community has killed my favorite classes pve stuff I liked, bottom tree dawnblade, stormcaller in general as transcendence is now gone, benevolent dawn is awful now. I mean when will it be enough for you pvp players who are constantly complaining, the pve community and especially warlock have suffered enough of pvp related nerfs killing something in pve. I just want a pheonix dive aspect that has all the functions except the explosions of bottom tree, so daybreak can become better. People in the pvp community said arc warlock was hands down the best and didn't needs buffs because the others were dying. Are you guys happy now!? Stormcaller has no real use in endgame pve due to bad supers, ionic trace spam doesn't work when nothing dies in one hit, the melee is good for pvp only, arc souls are still only good for pvp not endgame pve. I'm sick and tired of Bungie listening to you whiners who always insult each other about false kd, inflation stats, high skill players need to be listened to not casuals, literally looking at people's history and making fun of them for not being good so you can feel better, you guys just won't stop breeding more negativity in this community instead of making positivity, honestly I'm just going to pve and after my long run of playing warlock from now to the time back in d1 I had before I had set up this account, I may switch as your whining has killed my class 2 most fun elements, thanks.the only time I'll play pvp again is if mayhem comes back thats it. And most of the time the communities whiners are pvp players exclusively, not pve usually.