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10/2/2010 2:15:48 AM
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Credit Resets
Good evening,
We are in the process of applying credit resets to approximately 15,000 users who we have identified as the most egregious Challenge Reset abusers.
A one day credit earning ban has also been applied, mostly to ensure that recipients receive an in-game notification of the action taken.
As with any such measure, we have taken the time to carefully select our criteria to eliminate false positives.
A more comprehensive pass will be occuring in the coming week as our automated Banhammer mechanisms grow accurate enough to satisfy our high bar for burden of proof. If you are thinking about getting an easy 50k credits by using this exploit, I would strongly advise you to reconsider.
Thank you, and please direct any discussion of these resets to this thread.
[b]Edit 1[/b]: a point of clarification. No bans were handed out tonight for
a) Playing too much Gruntpocalypse (no such thing!)
b) Using the target locator too much (no such thing!)
Specifically, we targeted an exploit that allowed players to complete a Challenge 20+ times via itentional network manipulation (i.e., disconnects.)
Spot checks have revealed the telltale signature of this behavior on every denier so far, so don't be fooled by the protests of innocence. We aren't.
[b]Edit 2[/b]:
1) If you have lost your Legendary Helmet or any other downloadable offers, you can re-download them via your Download History. We're not sure this is affecting anyone (we haven't reproduced it internally), but just in case it is, give this a try.
2) We won't be resetting Commendations, as we do not feel that the exploit used affected them. It would not be fair to people who did use the exploit but who wish to retain the record of their playstyle, and we cannot differentiate between the two systematically. Sorry.
[Edited on 10.01.2010 9:02 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sha1za [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Habitat2004h [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sha1za [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KSI_Hallucinate [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zI STEAL KILLSz Instead of ranking cheaters down to recruit, Bungie should just recruit them down to the level they were before they started to do the glitch. I know lots of people(around half the thread) that got to a high rank without cheating until later on that are furious because they put all their time and effort in getting to their legit rank they got before glitching. They thought it was ok since Bungie said if we found a way to earn credits that involved us playing the game(which it did) that they wont do anything about it. But now since people found a way to get max credits in around an hour, Bungie is flippin' out and deranking everyone who did it. Instead of wasting time on suspending people, Bungie could've been working on how to fix the problem. And Bungie must've expected people to earn lots of credits a day, that's why they made a credit cap. There really wasn't any need to suspend people and derank them. And for all those people that said they deserved it, i agree some of them did, the ones that found the glitch and tried to look it up on youtube. But the ones that been told by friends how to do it, i don't think they deserve it. Come on, if a friend told you there was a way to earn max credits a day without getting banned(well, people know now they will), wouldn't you do it?[/quote] its cheating u were pulling out ur Ethernet and taking advantage and manipulating ur rank to be the highest u can be.Be grateful that Bungie didnt report u and 15,000 people to Xbox to have ur XBL accounts banned or suspended (which if Bungie did, it would be awesome)[/quote] Coming from the kid who boosts in campaign? You should be banned for exploiting an in game mechanic. You also have KSI in you're name, you're argument is invalid.[/quote] You missused "you're" twice in the same sentence, so [b]your[/b] argument is invalid. Idiot.[/quote] You boost in campaign, [b] you're [b] argument is invalid moron.[/quote] You failed again, you idiot! Let me break it down for you. You're = You + Are. Your = possession. Got it? Maybe you should spend some more time looking at a book. Also, your HTML is poor.
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kissedVerms. Its would be a pleasure if people like you who resort to being bad and depending on cheating would stay at games such as Modern Warfare. And its sorta sad you also said you cheat in that game as well. Lets think about this for a second... You're cheating in a game which requires no real skill or technique to play with... Why don't you stick to the game of life and go cheat death by jumping off a 12 story building?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sha1za Do I have to say it again, why aren't you banning people who boosted in Grunt Apocalypse, or with the target locator? It's abusing in game mechanics, also Ferrix I see that you yourself have been boosting a bit, no wonder Bungie is bad at it's own game. Yet again you make yourself look like indignant fools.[/quote] You are an ignorant one aren't you? These "abuses" are authorized because they have in-game consequences that work as a series failsafe scenarios. Gruntpocalypse is a playlist, why should you get banned from playing a playlist too much? (no such thing!) As for the Target Locator trick, the credits will begin to decline the more you do it regardless of cap. Eventually, you'll earn 0 cR when you exploit this. The cR reset is an entirely different story. There are NO in-game consequences and further abuse will render the amount of cR earned from different game modes useless since they could just reset the challenge and infinitely earn however amount of cR the challenge is worth without any reduction whatsoever. THAT'S why it's bannable. They did not intentionally want this. You are the indignant fool in this case. [Edited on 10.02.2010 11:08 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Habitat2004h [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sha1za [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KSI_Hallucinate [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zI STEAL KILLSz Instead of ranking cheaters down to recruit, Bungie should just recruit them down to the level they were before they started to do the glitch. I know lots of people(around half the thread) that got to a high rank without cheating until later on that are furious because they put all their time and effort in getting to their legit rank they got before glitching. They thought it was ok since Bungie said if we found a way to earn credits that involved us playing the game(which it did) that they wont do anything about it. But now since people found a way to get max credits in around an hour, Bungie is flippin' out and deranking everyone who did it. Instead of wasting time on suspending people, Bungie could've been working on how to fix the problem. And Bungie must've expected people to earn lots of credits a day, that's why they made a credit cap. There really wasn't any need to suspend people and derank them. And for all those people that said they deserved it, i agree some of them did, the ones that found the glitch and tried to look it up on youtube. But the ones that been told by friends how to do it, i don't think they deserve it. Come on, if a friend told you there was a way to earn max credits a day without getting banned(well, people know now they will), wouldn't you do it?[/quote] its cheating u were pulling out ur Ethernet and taking advantage and manipulating ur rank to be the highest u can be.Be grateful that Bungie didnt report u and 15,000 people to Xbox to have ur XBL accounts banned or suspended (which if Bungie did, it would be awesome)[/quote] Coming from the kid who boosts in campaign? You should be banned for exploiting an in game mechanic. You also have KSI in you're name, you're argument is invalid.[/quote] You missused "you're" twice in the same sentence, so [b]your[/b] argument is invalid. Idiot.[/quote] You boost in campaign, [b] you're [b] argument is invalid moron.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KSI_Hallucinate [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zI STEAL KILLSz Instead of ranking cheaters down to recruit, Bungie should just recruit them down to the level they were before they started to do the glitch. I know lots of people(around half the thread) that got to a high rank without cheating until later on that are furious because they put all their time and effort in getting to their legit rank they got before glitching. They thought it was ok since Bungie said if we found a way to earn credits that involved us playing the game(which it did) that they wont do anything about it. But now since people found a way to get max credits in around an hour, Bungie is flippin' out and deranking everyone who did it. Instead of wasting time on suspending people, Bungie could've been working on how to fix the problem. And Bungie must've expected people to earn lots of credits a day, that's why they made a credit cap. There really wasn't any need to suspend people and derank them. And for all those people that said they deserved it, i agree some of them did, the ones that found the glitch and tried to look it up on youtube. But the ones that been told by friends how to do it, i don't think they deserve it. Come on, if a friend told you there was a way to earn max credits a day without getting banned(well, people know now they will), wouldn't you do it?[/quote] its cheating u were pulling out ur Ethernet and taking advantage and manipulating ur rank to be the highest u can be.Be grateful that Bungie didnt report u and 15,000 people to Xbox to have ur XBL accounts banned or suspended (which if Bungie did, it would be awesome)[/quote]You're allowed to disconnect from Xbox Live as much as you choose. Disconnecting in no way infringes upon Network Manipulation, which refers to lag switches and alike. This term has been coined as to give some justification of the ban, because players had found an efficient means to glitch the system, just like the blank screen commendations and Oni Sword Base Locator. Microsoft will not ban you for disconnecting from Xbox Live, which every user is entitled to do. If you can find anything to stipulate otherwise in the Xbox Live ToS, please do share KSI_Hallucinate.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sha1za [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KSI_Hallucinate [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zI STEAL KILLSz Instead of ranking cheaters down to recruit, Bungie should just recruit them down to the level they were before they started to do the glitch. I know lots of people(around half the thread) that got to a high rank without cheating until later on that are furious because they put all their time and effort in getting to their legit rank they got before glitching. They thought it was ok since Bungie said if we found a way to earn credits that involved us playing the game(which it did) that they wont do anything about it. But now since people found a way to get max credits in around an hour, Bungie is flippin' out and deranking everyone who did it. Instead of wasting time on suspending people, Bungie could've been working on how to fix the problem. And Bungie must've expected people to earn lots of credits a day, that's why they made a credit cap. There really wasn't any need to suspend people and derank them. And for all those people that said they deserved it, i agree some of them did, the ones that found the glitch and tried to look it up on youtube. But the ones that been told by friends how to do it, i don't think they deserve it. Come on, if a friend told you there was a way to earn max credits a day without getting banned(well, people know now they will), wouldn't you do it?[/quote] its cheating u were pulling out ur Ethernet and taking advantage and manipulating ur rank to be the highest u can be.Be grateful that Bungie didnt report u and 15,000 people to Xbox to have ur XBL accounts banned or suspended (which if Bungie did, it would be awesome)[/quote] Coming from the kid who boosts in campaign? You should be banned for exploiting an in game mechanic. You also have KSI in you're name, you're argument is invalid.[/quote] You missused "you're" twice in the same sentence, so [b]your[/b] argument is invalid. Idiot.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KSI_Hallucinate [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zI STEAL KILLSz Instead of ranking cheaters down to recruit, Bungie should just recruit them down to the level they were before they started to do the glitch. I know lots of people(around half the thread) that got to a high rank without cheating until later on that are furious because they put all their time and effort in getting to their legit rank they got before glitching. They thought it was ok since Bungie said if we found a way to earn credits that involved us playing the game(which it did) that they wont do anything about it. But now since people found a way to get max credits in around an hour, Bungie is flippin' out and deranking everyone who did it. Instead of wasting time on suspending people, Bungie could've been working on how to fix the problem. And Bungie must've expected people to earn lots of credits a day, that's why they made a credit cap. There really wasn't any need to suspend people and derank them. And for all those people that said they deserved it, i agree some of them did, the ones that found the glitch and tried to look it up on youtube. But the ones that been told by friends how to do it, i don't think they deserve it. Come on, if a friend told you there was a way to earn max credits a day without getting banned(well, people know now they will), wouldn't you do it?[/quote] its cheating u were pulling out ur Ethernet and taking advantage and manipulating ur rank to be the highest u can be.Be grateful that Bungie didnt report u and 15,000 people to Xbox to have ur XBL accounts banned or suspended (which if Bungie did, it would be awesome)[/quote] Coming from the kid who boosts in campaign? You should be banned for exploiting an in game mechanic. You also have KSI in you're name, you're argument is invalid.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zI STEAL KILLSz Instead of ranking cheaters down to recruit, Bungie should just recruit them down to the level they were before they started to do the glitch. I know lots of people(around half the thread) that got to a high rank without cheating until later on that are furious because they put all their time and effort in getting to their legit rank they got before glitching. They thought it was ok since Bungie said if we found a way to earn credits that involved us playing the game(which it did) that they wont do anything about it. But now since people found a way to get max credits in around an hour, Bungie is flippin' out and deranking everyone who did it. Instead of wasting time on suspending people, Bungie could've been working on how to fix the problem. And Bungie must've expected people to earn lots of credits a day, that's why they made a credit cap. There really wasn't any need to suspend people and derank them. And for all those people that said they deserved it, i agree some of them did, the ones that found the glitch and tried to look it up on youtube. But the ones that been told by friends how to do it, i don't think they deserve it. Come on, if a friend told you there was a way to earn max credits a day without getting banned(well, people know now they will), wouldn't you do it?[/quote] its cheating u were pulling out ur Ethernet and taking advantage and manipulating ur rank to be the highest u can be.Be grateful that Bungie didnt report u and 15,000 people to Xbox to have ur XBL accounts banned or suspended (which if Bungie did, it would be awesome)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HeavyMcD [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pickles d Clown Gruntpocalypse is apparently getting nerfed on tuesday to around 700 credits a game, just like a (good) mm game. Bungie wants us to play 28, 571 games to hit the 20,000,000 credit rank. This is the worst bait and switch timesink tactic I've seen in while.[/quote] Not counting commendations or challenges, eh? Makes...sense? Though yeah, even with those it's going to take a good long time to hit that rank. It's supposed to.[/quote] Not to mention the fact that these retards don't realize that during the beta Bungie did promos like "double cR weekends" and what-not. Bunch of whiners. Who gives a crap if you reach a cap or not? You play the same, identical game as a recruit as you do as a level 3 major, or a level 3 Lt. colonel. Crying over this is one of the funniest things I've seen in a very, very long time.
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Do I have to say it again, why aren't you banning people who boosted in Grunt Apocalypse, or with the target locator? It's abusing in game mechanics, also Ferrix I see that you yourself have been boosting a bit, no wonder Bungie is bad at it's own game. Yet again you make yourself look like indignant fools.
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Hahahahahahahahahaha! Its also sad you have to resort tocheating to get it as well. Doesn't sound like you're a lagit gamer if you resort to boosting... And you do know sending you're game back doesnt't effect Bungie at all right. Go take you're "Lagit" ass to Black ops and be good at a game every one and any one can be pro at kid.
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Instead of ranking cheaters down to recruit, Bungie should just recruit them down to the level they were before they started to do the glitch. I know lots of people(around half the thread) that got to a high rank without cheating until later on that are furious because they put all their time and effort in getting to their legit rank they got before glitching. They thought it was ok since Bungie said if we found a way to earn credits that involved us playing the game(which it did) that they wont do anything about it. But now since people found a way to get max credits in around an hour, Bungie is flippin' out and deranking everyone who did it. Instead of wasting time on suspending people, Bungie could've been working on how to fix the problem. And Bungie must've expected people to earn lots of credits a day, that's why they made a credit cap. There really wasn't any need to suspend people and derank them. And for all those people that said they deserved it, i agree some of them did, the ones that found the glitch and tried to look it up on youtube. But the ones that been told by friends how to do it, i don't think they deserve it. Come on, if a friend told you there was a way to earn max credits a day without getting banned(well, people know now they will), wouldn't you do it?
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i know someone who got reset.... he said he prestiged
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Godzillaboy1993 I'm taking back that statement. My friend pointed out a very good point to me so I'm going with this ban. He told me 'how would you feel if you worked your ass off to make a game that is fair for everyone and finding out that 15,000 players have found a loophole in your game'. I can't help but feel like a douche. however, boosting happens everywhere, not just Halo. They are going to have to except that they can't stop all boosting on their game. In fact I boosted a couple of weeks ago to get some daily challenges. [/quote] Your friend is very wise. Kudos to him.
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why is this so bad that every one is freaking out it's lik prestiging just buy the stuff that you didn't last time duhh enjoy that bungie is letting you do it again because you know how boring it is at max rank :)
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am i getting reset?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VirulentStrife [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Godzillaboy1993 I don't think it should be considered cheating if the game allows you to. I think it's retarded that people complain about people finding a loop hole in the system[/quote] The game did not allow you to, you found a, as you said, loophole. However, this loophole was not deliberately enabled by the game or Bungie. [b]Deliberately[/b], as in it has to be agreed to, not ducked around. I did not know that unplugging an Ethernet cord for gain is allowable to the game. Never knew the game said: "Here, abuse this over and over again infinitely without consequence."[/quote] I'm taking back that statement. My friend pointed out a very good point to me so I'm going with this ban. He told me 'how would you feel if you worked your ass off to make a game that is fair for everyone and finding out that 15,000 players have found a loophole in your game'. I can't help but feel like a douche. however, boosting happens everywhere, not just Halo. They are going to have to except that they can't stop all boosting on their game. In fact I boosted a couple of weeks ago to get some daily challenges. [Edited on 10.02.2010 10:51 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Steady Burn I am going to tell everyone here how you reset the daily challenges, JUST TO PROVE A POINT. I myself have not been banned, I am legit. So all you haters can act like a bee without a stinger and drop dead. To reset the daily challenges you do this... !) Sign out of your XBL account 2) Sign into an offline account 3) Sign out of your offline account 4) Sign back into your online account Since when is singing in/out a glitch? Listen Bungie, it's simple. You created a flawed game and banned those who exploited YOUR -blam!--up. Way to go. Fix your game, not the players. That is the most common negative characteristic in this world, worry about yourself and YOUR product; not the ppl smart enough to find out LEGIT ways to gain EXP. Did they mod or tamper with the game and/or its files? NOPE. You failed horribly as a company and I personally know a good handful of ppl that have already sold their copies due to this ban. You pissed off ppl who have spent $150+ on your game with a stupid box and toy, true halo fans. Ppl who have earned legit commendations and high ranks, just to get a nice steaming pile of Bungie poo right in their lap. I hope you feel good about doing a poor job on the cR system and instead of patching it, you piss on the ppl who put food on your table. WELL PLAYED, wellll playyyyyed...[/quote] Banned or not, you're still a -blam!- retard. "True Halo fans" as you put it, would know that network manipulation has been a bannable offence since Halo 2. These "True Halo fans" would have known better. I knew better, because many, many weekly updates have addressed this issue. The Banhammer is nothing new to Bungie. "True Halo fans" would know this. So shut your trap and go back to fapping at Kat's hindquarters. kthxbye.
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The banhammer is a beautiful thing. Isen't it?
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So what your saying is if you did it once you still get reset and cedit ban why won't they just credit ban those people who did it once and then if they do it again derank them
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Godzillaboy1993 I don't think it should be considered cheating if the game allows you to. I think it's retarded that people complain about people finding a loop hole in the system[/quote] The game did not allow you to, you found a, as you said, loophole. However, this loophole was not deliberately enabled by the game or Bungie. [b]Deliberately[/b], as in it has to be agreed to, not ducked around. I did not know that unplugging an Ethernet cord for gain is allowable to the game. Never knew the game said: "Here, abuse this over and over again infinitely without consequence."
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cubano112 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dynamo Jaxon7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cubano112 Rank does not give an unfair advantage. The reason many people are complaining about this ban is that not enough information about it was given. It was not explicitly stated as bannable or not, so it could be argued for both sides why or why not they should have given a warning before this. I guarantee with the warning, everyone would stop.[/quote] You are right rank doesn't give an unfair advantage but using an exploit is an unfair advantage to gain rank which is a part of the game that Bungie has authority to deem whether or not an exploit is unfair within their investment system. It doesn't need to be explicitly stated beyond when it was when you agreed to the ToS. You are not supposed to exploit bugs. It states it right there clear as day and you agreed to it.[/quote] You are right about using an exploit being an unfair advantage, but the question is whether or not its unfair. Since it was so accessible and easy to do, this is something anyone could have easily accomplished. Bungie banned the 15,000 most [i]egregious[/i] users, so that leaves room for many more people to have boosted. And yes, Bungie has a right to ban whomever they see fit, but whenever theres an exploit this big in any game, it should be something that should be fixed before a banhammer goes swinging.[/quote] Read the OP this was a tune-up. More people will be banned. You assume that it will be fixed. The fact that they have resorted to banning people leads me to believe that it can't and won't be fixed. Why spend time on designing and implementing a banning system if they could simply just reset and fix the exploit?
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I don't think it should be considered cheating if the game allows you to. I think it's retarded that people complain about people finding a loop hole in the system
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they're really just now stepping up to ban boosters? I'm glad I boosted all those achievements for firefight. I mean... something, something, master chief...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] L3377MA573R[/quote] Cheating has several definitions. Perhaps you should look them all up and not be subjective to just one. Here's a different definition: cheat- to violate rules deliberately, as in a game. This was taken [url=http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cheating]from this site[/url]. Whether you want to admit it or not, tampering with the system (console hardware) is illegal, therefore is cheating and IS bannable. It doesn't matter if the edge was insignificant or non-existent, you abused the ToU. Bungie DID warn us of impeding bans before they took place, but Challenge resetting was fairly new and not everyone knew about it. You obviously don't know how serious this exploit is considering it could affect the integrity of the entire company rather than players who it seems does not affect at all. Saying that you honestly doubt people wouldn't abuse the Challenge Reset to the extent I mentioned above is a naive statement. Have you ever played Gears 2? Within one week people were hitting the maximum rank. When Cliff Blezenski was confronted with the issue he said: "it is statistically impossible to do so", so in order to maintain integrity, the offenders had their ranks reset and Gamerscore wiped clean. All of this because of an unauthorized exploit (the exploits can also be called "cheats" considering they can be authorized or unauthorized). The exploit in Halo Reach is UNAUTHORIZED, meaning if you use it, you will get banned. The Code of Conduct goes over this. So yes, Bungie will deem some exploits/cheats acceptable, others not so much because it obviously affects them even if you think it doesn't affect other players in any way. [Edited on 10.02.2010 10:42 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dynamo Jaxon7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cubano112 Rank does not give an unfair advantage. The reason many people are complaining about this ban is that not enough information about it was given. It was not explicitly stated as bannable or not, so it could be argued for both sides why or why not they should have given a warning before this. I guarantee with the warning, everyone would stop.[/quote] You are right rank doesn't give an unfair advantage but using an exploit is an unfair advantage to gain rank which is a part of the game that Bungie has authority to deem whether or not an exploit is unfair within their investment system. It doesn't need to be explicitly stated beyond when it was when you agreed to the ToS. You are not supposed to exploit bugs. It states it right there clear as day and you agreed to it.[/quote] You are right about using an exploit being an unfair advantage, but the question is whether or not its unfair. Since it was so accessible and easy to do, this is something anyone could have easily accomplished. Bungie banned the 15,000 most [i]egregious[/i] users, so that leaves room for many more people to have boosted. And yes, Bungie has a right to ban whomever they see fit, but whenever theres an exploit this big in any game, it should be something that should be fixed before a banhammer goes swinging.
