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Edited by GalaxySpider: 11/21/2016 1:17:32 PM
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Destiny 2 will be a fresh start in terms of characters etc...otherwise they would not call it Destiny 2. Everything else would be an expansion, not a sequel. It may not be on topic but I don't know why people don't want a new start. Making everything transfering over would mean to carry over every weakness as well. Destiny's engine is relatively outdated (updated Halo Reach Engine) and I'm not talking of graphics (game looks beautiful which is a remarkeable job from Bungies great artist)... From many rumors and patch logs we always assumed that Destiny still has many flaws and design choices which makes it hard for the dev team to implement changes. Destiny was in development when Halo ODST and later Halo Reach launched. So actually that engine is old AF. Even though RoI is current gen only, doesn't mean everything changed. Remember the Kotaku articles? They are right. So in other words, Bungie never lied, they simply changed plans which is natural in game development. So a fresh start could help Destiny a lot. They may not recreate a brand new engine, (impossible in just 2 years) but they can fix all the major problems they had with their engine and if I can experience more content in a shorter time frame, because of it, I will take this instead of my old shit from D1. We are in year 3. Remembering all the fun I had with my friends and D1, I'm more than thankful for this game and its creators. Anyways, the beginning of D2 obviously is about the City being attacked cauz for the most time we never got that feeling that our little city is in need of protection. Our enemies must fear guardians more than the darkness itself by now, lol. Time
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  • It has been confirmed by Bungie we keep our characters. Will post link if I find the article.

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  • Please do. Because last I checked, Bungie has said nothing on the matter that would insinuate that.

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  • Everquest 2 was a sequel to Everquest. It allowed players to carry over their characters and progress, kept things about the first game and vastly expanded upon the world that was already created, the engine itself, and many other elements of the game. Why do people honestly believe that you can't create a fresh new experience without completely resetting everything?

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  • Bungie would need to add in every single item in D1 for that to be possible, not to mention the fact people would have such an advantage to people who might just be upgrading their console, or perhaps upgrading across a platform (From PS3 to XB1, or XB360 to PS4).

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  • EQ2 added every items from EQ and added much more. Also, in Destiny itself, whenever new players have joined, older players had an advantage over them for some time with each expansion so that is really not a good excuse.

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  • That's the thing, I'm not talking about new players.

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  • Edited by GalaxySpider: 11/21/2016 7:52:50 PM
    Because this is not EQ and no one knows how EQ was designed in its source code. So, the game has nothing to do with Destiny nor can it be compared with it (at least not without generalizing everything).

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  • Please do tell me where I said it was anything like EQ? I mainly pointed out that they did it so it's not impossible like you and others seem to think. The engine doesn't matter because it is their own engine, they know how it works and how things functions, they more than likely know a way to expand the universe they created without destroying every little thing. But of course people like you, who think Bungie is so wonderful, want to defend them for mediocrity and laziness. Why expand and make the world you have created something better and more enjoyable for players new and old when you can just delete it and start over? Oh and never mind the many times they stated "We want you to carry your guardian through the 10 year experience". Just throw that on the long list of lies that Bungie has told us too I suppose, but you don't care because Bungie can't do anything wrong.

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  • Edited by GalaxySpider: 11/21/2016 8:36:31 PM
    And yet you think it's no problem at all(!) which is quite interesting and no but actually no surprise to me. But hating on Bungie seems easier, as always. You call them lazy and yet they implemented so many damn feature over the last 2 years purely based on community feedback. Really hate such a disgusting attitude from people. The engine does matter. More than you think. If it's too hard to implement new content, if it costs more time and money than it should be, then it matters. I'm not a total knewbie on that bunsiness. Other factors may be pure marketing desicions.

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  • Yeah it does in the sense that if no one else knew anything about the engine they might have issues with it , but they have been working with it for nearly a decade now. Are you really going to sit there are tell me they don't know how to work with their own game engines and designs after all that times and can't figure out what they are doing? Actually, nevermind, I just remembered they couldn't figure out how to handle their own vaults and still can't figure out how to actually fix connections with this game so they probably don't know how to properly work with their own engines.

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  • Edited by GalaxySpider: 11/21/2016 8:53:23 PM
    Who says that they don't know how to work with them. It's like working with an outdated system: sure it works, but newer systems offer faster and more effective ways for a working environment which has to last several years again. So why would you not want to "upgrade" then. And sometimes this requires drastic changes. And the stupid P2P based netcode is just one reason to do so. But tbh, believe what you want. It's your right to do so. I have my fun with this game and this has nothing to do with faboyism or anything. I see, just as many others, also flaws and weird decisions made by Bungie. But the fun I and my friends have with this game is nearly priceless. All I can do is hoping that Bungie learned from any mistake/problem they had with D1, for a better D2.

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  • Edited by KitsuneSonow: 11/21/2016 9:39:14 PM
    The thing is other games have upgraded engines and systems without sacrificing the progress of their players. They didn't just start from scratch, they brought over what they had before and expanded upon it using new hardware and software and sometimes changing graphical engines entirely. They did this even sometimes when it changed the story or lore entirely. Old Players could still go back and do the new quests that occurred when these changes took place to see the experience from a new players perspective or to just keep up with the story. This was on top of adding new races, classes, enemies, weapons, and skills for older classes. I reiterate, you don't have to sacrifice your players' progress to create a new and fresh experience for both new and old players. Even if you are moving up with hardware and graphical engines there is just no call for it especially when it is a feature you advertised profusely since the game first started. I'm not just Blindly hating on Bungie, they have lied about numerous things they have openly endorsed or advertised, blamed the players of certain issues, and in general have held the player based at the utmost contempt at times. Yes, they have added some somewhat good things, but look what they did with others that were really wanted by the community. Emotes: Put behind a pay wall or in paywall RNG boxes. Weapon skins (which were asked for since vanilla): Put in a random pay wall box. Taken Armor: Put in a Random pay wall box. Oh and all of these give duplicates and the really desirable items have extremely low output rates....such a great thing Bungie did. Ignoring that how, about when they introduced the light system and it took them nearly 7 months to finally address that it was a bad decision to make it so you only got partial light from an item? How about when they ignored a lot of major issues that were happening in the King's Fall Raid? How about when they removed elements from weapons because they wanted people's load-outs to be more diverse instead of giving the player the ability to give their weapons elements? How about when they removed the nightfall buff claiming that they would increase the amount of exp and rep the player earned even without it and then immediately added quests that gave significantly less exp and rep gains? Basically what I am saying for every 1 good thing they do they do a great many more that hurts the game and makes the players fell disenfranchised by the company they loved. That is why people are leaving and moving on to other games now, they get better experiences, services, and communication from them they do with Bungie and Destiny.

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  • Edited by GalaxySpider: 11/21/2016 11:03:49 PM
    For so many players leaving (sorry, but I hear that everytime), as some people say, I see new players every day. I mean, the game should be dead by now. But it isn't. Not to mention in a place like this on here "we" are always representing a minority. It seems like many people just take Destiny as what it is and don't worry about that much about all the cosmetic stuff you mentioned above (yes, the paywalls suck but that's why I ignored FoTL as a result, they will see how people react). For other the other things: Destiny was Bungies first step into the persistent world of online games. They had never done something like that before. Also the fact that Destiny is a loot based game and how the original game launched with that flawed loot drop system shows how inexperienced they were. For TKK, they even got help from the Blizzard guys, AFAIK. But I could be wrong here. Changing the light system was a drastic change, for the good, as we see now, but this is something you don't do in a week or so. Taken King introduced it and to me it was obvious why it took so long. When purple engramms encrypted into blue gear, Bungie was honest with us and thought it was fun, almost exciting to sometimes get a purple and sometimes not. Same with the pre-April-TU infusion system. They were wrong. It was frustrating for the hardcore players. Sometimes you think the stuff you do is ok....release it and you get a better, clear picture. Btw, the elemental change on primary guns never bothered me. Please remember, it's also the developers game, people with visions, not just "ours". It's their right to change it and even today I agree with their decision. The only time when they really lied to us were the weird PvP background changes which started with TKK. Everything else was just searching for excuses for poor design choices and many of them I never believed. Even the FoTL goodies, I mean wasn't it clear that they just hoped for all the morons buying countless FoTL treasures? C'mon... Actually yes, I agree with you. For every thing they got right, two other mediocore changes arrived. But to me, the good always kept me playing. I play Destiny for many reasons, not just one. As a gamer playing games for over 23 years now, I have seen worse than Destiny.

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  • Fresh start my arse. Watch them just wishy washy the original game and a gimmick or 2.

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