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Edited by Dolphinizer: 3/22/2016 2:38:24 AM
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Aircraft Carriers are useless

[quote]The Chinese military has developed a ballistic missile, Dong Feng 21, specifically designed to kill US aircraft carriers: “Because the missile employs a complex guidance system, low radar signature and a maneuverability that makes its flight path unpredictable, the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased. It is estimated that the missile can travel at mach 10 and reach its maximum range of 2000km in less than 12 minutes.” That’s the US Naval Institute talking, remember. They’re understating the case when they say that, with speed, satellite guidance and maneuverability like that, “the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased.” You know why that’s an understatement? Because of a short little sentence I found farther on in the article—and before you read that sentence, I want all you trusting Pentagon groupies to promise me that you’ll think hard about what it implies. Here’s the sentence: “Ships currently have no defense against a ballistic missile attack.” That’s right: no defense at all. The truth is that they have very feeble defenses against any attack with anything more modern than cannon. I’ve argued before no carrier group would survive a saturation attack by huge numbers of low-value attackers, whether they’re Persians in Cessnas and cigar boats or mass-produced Chinese cruise missiles. But at least you could look at the missile tubes and Phalanx gatlings and pretend that you were safe. But there is no defense, none at all, against something as obvious as a ballistic missile. So it doesn’t matter one god damn whether the people in the operations room of a targeted carrier could track the Dong Feng 21 as it lobbed itself at them. They might do a real hall-of-fame job of tracking it as it goes up and comes down. But so what? Let me repeat the key sentence here: “Ships currently have no defense against a ballistic missile attack. Think back a ways. How old is the ballistic missile? Kind of a trick question; a siege mortar is a ballistic missile, just unguided. A trebuchet on an upslope outside a castle is a ballistic weapon. But serious long-range rocket-powered ballistic weapons go back at least to the V-2. A nuclear-armed V2 would have been a pretty solid way of wiping out a carrier group, and both components, the nuke and the ballistic missile, were available as long ago as 1945. A lot has happened since then, like MIRVs, mobile launchers, massively redundant satellite guidance—but the thing to remember is that every single change has favored the attacker. Every single goddamn change. You know that Garmin satnav you use to find the nearest Thai place when the in-laws are visiting? If you were the Navy brass, that should have scared you to death. The Mac on your kid’s bedroom desk should have scared you. Every time electronics got smaller, cheaper and more efficient, the carrier became more of a death trap. Every time stealth tech jumped another step, the carrier was more obviously a bad idea. Smaller, cooler-running engines: another bad sign for the carrier. Every single change in technology in the past half a century has had “Stop building carriers!” written all over it. And nobody in the navy brass paid any attention. The lesson here is the same one all of you suckers should have learned from watching the financial news this year: the people at the top are just as dumb as you are, just meaner and greedier. And that goes for the ones running the US surface fleet as much as it does for the GM or Chrysler honchos. Hell, they even look the same. Take that Wagoner ass who just got the boot from GM and put him in a tailored uniform and he could walk on as an admiral in any officer’s club from Guam to Diego Garcia. You have to stop thinking somebody up there is looking out for you. Remember that one sentence, get it branded onto your arm: “Ships currently have no defense against a ballistic missile attack.” What does that tell you about the distinguished gentlemen with all the ribbons on their chest who’ve been standing up on carrier bridges looking like they know what they’re doing for the past 50 years? They’re either stupid or so sleazy they’re willing to make a career commanding ships they know, goddamn well know, are floating coffins for thousands of ranks and dozens of the most expensive goldplated airplanes in the history of the world. You call that patriotic? I’d hang them all. That’s why it’s so sickening to read shit like the following: “The purpose of the Navy,” Vice Admiral John Bird, commander of the Seventh Fleet, tells me, “is not to fight.” The mere presence of the Navy should suffice, he argues, to dissuade any attack or attempt to destabilize the region. From Yokosuka, Guam, and Honolulu, the Navy is sending its ships on missions to locales as far away as Madagascar. On board the Blue Ridge, the vice admiral’s command ship anchored at Yokosuka, huge display screens allow officers to track the movements of any country’s military vessels cruising from the international date line in the east to the African coast in the west—the range of the Seventh Fleet’s zone of influence. That’s the kind of story people are still writing. It’s so stupid, that first line, I won’t even bother with it: “The purpose of the Navy is not to fight.” No kidding. The Seventh Fleet covers the area included in that 2000 km range for the new Chinese anti-ship weapons, so I guess it’s a good thing they’re not there to fight. Stories like this were all over the place in the last days of the British Empire. For some dumbass reason, these reporters love the Navy. They were waving flags and feeling good about things when the Repulse and the Prince of Wales steamed out with no air cover to oppose Japanese landings. Afterward, when both ships were lying on the sea floor, nobody wanted to talk about it much. What I mean to say here is, don’t be fooled by the happy talk. That’s the lesson from GM, Chrysler and the Navy: these people don’t know shit. And they don’t -blam!-ing care either. They’re going to ride the system and hope it lasts long enough to see them retire to a house by a golf course, get their daughters married and buy a nice plot in an upscale cemetery. They could give a damn what happens to the rest of us. [/quote] TL;DR Aircraft Carriers are big 4.5 billion dollar coffins that would be next to useless in a real war. And [b]that[/b] is why I support lowering the US's defense budget. Discuss

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  • Edited by Tastycow5: 5/25/2016 6:38:17 PM
    I'm no expert but if they can track the missile that easily, can't they shoot it out of the sky?

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  • [b] [/b] Not really. - Der

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    • OP surrenders in chess the first time he hears 'check'

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      • This is why lasers are being developed and soon will be put on ships, aircraft, and land vehicles. They can destroy small vehicles and missiles with ease.

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      • What if the information on the missiles is to make us get rid of carriers as a communist ploy!

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      • We need aircraft carrier carriers

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        • they may be big targets but are heavily guarded. and in all out war you will have everything the us has to throw in operation. the aircraft carrier will only be a priority [b]if[/b] the defending country can stop americas offensive capability which is nearly impossible. try and counter a ship mounted railgun when your swarming with fighter jets and tabks left right and centre

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        • No, we need to increase our defense budget so we can build a moonbase and develop railguns.

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          • There is so much more below the surface that you just have no idea about lol please dont lose sleep over this.

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          • That's probably why they don't fight and have 7 ships escorting them. Their sole purpose is to get close enough to a target to have a viable air support.

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            • So you're saying we need to develop something better than the aircraft carrier, or at least better defenses. (I agree with this) ... Then you go on to say we should lower the budget. Do you see the issue here?

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              • Considering the US has something like 14,000 military aircraft while the next closest country has 4,000, air superiorty is one of the US big strengths so we need aircraft carriers to be able to fully deploy our massive air force

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                • I support defunding the US military because China has developed a new missile. So like we are acknowledging China has created a new dank missile and to counter that we should........defund our military. Thats liberal logic for ya

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                  • I also heard North Korea has a terminator. Legs defund the military!!!!

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                  • [quote][quote]The Chinese military has developed a ballistic dong, Long Dong 21, specifically designed to penetrate the booty region: “Because the dong is guided by the man himself it makes its flight path unpredictable, the odds that it can evade her eyes and reach its target are increased. It is estimated that the dong can travel at mach 10 and reach its maximum range of 2000km in less than 12 minutes.” That’s the US Health Department talking, remember. They’re understating the case when they say that, with speed, neurological guidance and maneuverability like that, “the odds that it can evade eyes to reach its target are increased.” You know why that’s an understatement? Because of a short little sentence I found farther on in the article—and before you read that sentence, I want all you trusting FDA groupies to promise me that you’ll think hard about what it implies. Here’s the sentence: “The booty currently has no defense against a ballistic dong attack.” That’s right: no defense at all. The truth is that they have very feeble defenses against any attack with anything more modern than pants. I’ve argued before no sorority group would survive a saturation attack by huge numbers of men, whether they’re Persian, smoking cigars, or mass-produced Chinese cruise missiles. But at least you could look at the booty shorts and panties and pretend that you were safe. But there is no defense, none at all, against something as obvious as a ballistic dong. So it doesn’t matter one god damn whether the people in the operations room of a targeted woman could track the Long Dong 21 as it lobbed itself at them. They might do a real hall-of-fame job of tracking it as it goes up and comes down. But so what? Let me repeat the key sentence here: “The booty currently has no defense against a ballistic dong attack. Think back a ways. How old is the ballistic dong? Kind of a trick question; a weak dong is a ballistic dong, just unguided. A mediocre dong on an upslope outside a castle is a ballistic dong. But serious long-range rocket-powered ballistic dongs go back at least to the Donger. A nuclear-armed donger would have been a pretty solid way of wiping out a sorority, and both components, the nuke and the ballistic dong, were available as long ago as the beginning of man. A lot has happened since then, like MIRDONGs, mobile dongs, massively redundant satellite guidance—but the thing to remember is that every single change has favored the man. Every single goddamn change. You know that Dong satnav you use to find the nearest sex club when the in-laws are visiting? If you were the Health Department, that should have scared you to death. The Mac on your kid’s bedroom desk should have scared you. Every time electronics got smaller, cheaper and more efficient, the booty became more of a death trap. Every time stealth tech jumped another step, the booty was more obviously a bad idea. Smaller, cooler-running engines: another bad sign for the booty. Every single change in technology in the past half a century has had “Stop building bootys!” written all over it. And nobody in the Health department paid any attention. The lesson here is the same one all of you suckers should have learned from watching the financial news this year: the people at the top are just as dumb as you are, just meaner and greedier. And that goes for the ones running the US surface body as much as it does for the GM or Chrysler honchos. Hell, they even look the same. Take that Wagoner ass who just got the boot from GM and put him in a tailored uniform and he could walk on as an admiral in any officer’s club from Guam to Diego Garcia. You have to stop thinking somebody up there is looking out for you. Remember that one sentence, get it branded onto your arm: “The booty currently has no defense against a ballistic dong attack.” What does that tell you about the distinguished gentlemen with all the ribbons on their chest who’ve been standing up on booty looking like they know what they’re doing for the past 50 years? They’re either stupid or so sleazy they’re willing to make a career commanding bootys they know, goddamn well know, are floating coffins for thousands of ranks and dozens of the most expensive goldplated thongs in the history of the world. You call that patriotic? I’d hang them all. That’s why it’s so sickening to read shit like the following: “The purpose of the health departmenr,” Vice Admiral John Booty, commander of the Seventh health department, tells me, “is not to fight.” The mere presence of the health department should suffice, he argues, to dissuade any attack or attempt to destabilize the region. From Yokosuka, Guam, and Honolulu, the health department is sending its bootys on missions to locales as far away as Madagascar. On board the Blue Ridge, the vice admiral’s command booty anchored at Yokosuka, huge display screens allow officers to track the movements of any country’s military dongs cruising from the international date line in the east to the African coast in the west—the range of the Seventh Health Department's zone of influence. That’s the kind of story people are still writing. It’s so stupid, that first line, I won’t even bother with it: “The purpose of the Health Department is not to fight.” No kidding. The Seventh Health Department covers the area included in that 2000 km range for the new Chinese anti-booty dongs, so I guess it’s a good thing they’re not there to fight. Stories like this were all over the place in the last days of the British Empire. For some dumbass reason, these reporters love the Health Department. They were waving g-strings and feeling good about things when the Repulse and the Prince of Wales steamed out with no air cover to oppose Japanese docking. Afterward, when both bootys were lying on the sea floor, nobody wanted to talk about it much. What I mean to say here is, don’t be fooled by "the talk." That’s the lesson from GM, Chrysler and the Health Department: these people don’t know shit. And they don’t -blam!-ing care either. They’re going to ride the system and hope it lasts long enough to see them retire to a house by a golf course, get their daughters married and buy a nice plot in an upscale cemetery. They could give a damn what happens to the rest of us. [/quote] TL;DR Bootys are big 4.5 billion dollar coffins that would be next to useless in a real sexual activities. And [b]that[/b] is why I support lowering the US'S booty budget. Discuss[/quote] Idc, so I changed words in this

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                    • I'm not trying to be rude here, but do you REALLY think that they can't defend against ballistic missiles? We have the most advanced military in the world, and they most likely have things made right now that we don't even think are possible. I'm fairly confident in our aircraft carriers' defenses.

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                    • [quote]And that is why I support lowering the US's defense budget.[/quote] Aren't you Canadian? Doubtful that a missile would make it through a naval strike group. Not to mention, they likely have defense measures that we're not going to hear about until they are obsolete.

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                      • This is like saying land vehicles are useless because of ied's

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                        • Edited by LowIQPlayz3445: 3/22/2016 9:06:26 AM
                          Uhm. Why would we take away money instead of invest in creating an effective counter to the problem? [spoiler]Suggesting the government doesn't already have one being worked on. Top secret military research and all that[/spoiler]

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                        • "F 6" "Miss"

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                          • >Theexiledonline >Implying that this isn't the Chinese talking out their ass >Implying such cruise missile can get past a carrier strike group Jesus that whole article screams of a 50 cent party, next it's going to tell me that the J-20 can take out our entire F-22 fleet. Hell the Chinese Navy can't even use such weapons against the U.S Navy because their navy projection is so shit, why do you think they are building islands? Aircraft Carriers are going to be in use for awhile as they are vital for force projection and logistics.

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                            • Edited by MildSquirrel: 3/22/2016 7:39:47 AM
                              Don't worry the missile was made in China, it's probably as cheap as a maccas kids-meal toy.

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                              • He went full nerd!

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                              • What I see: [quote]Chinese military with a deadly weapon [/quote] what most of offtopic sees: [quote]Dong[/quote]

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                              • So... How are we supposed to get air support to places if we don't have carriers?

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                              • [quote][b][i][u]DONG[/u][/i][/b][/quote]

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