Bro don't even red bar doesn't mean anything it's if they do lag not every red barer is a lagger

Not just trials. Alll pvp

I run 40mbps down and 10 up. That's incredibly high speed internet. It still shows red bar sometimes; it's not a perfect system. And that bar is no where near reliable. They have serious rules. In October they implemented a system that they ban repeat offenders from crucible just for having bad connections.

You can have the best internet and still have a red bars, p2p isn't reliable more so when sbmm is implemented. What we need is dedicated servers, or cbmm have priority over sbmm.

Everyone -blam!-ing lags for -blam!- sake I COULD GET RED BAR BECAUSE I HAVE BAD CONNECTION TO YOU! GOD THIS IS WHY I DONT PLAY PVP AS MUCH

I swear all this community does is cry because they get beat at trials

So should artificial green bars

Red bars and fluctuating connections needed to be restricted from accessing PVP content.

The past few weeks I had losses from red bar teams that were either teleporting and/or not taking damage. Terrible pings shouldn't be allowed to participate in TOO.

This PvP system is an ABSOLUTE -blam!-ING SHAMBLES AND A JOKE! I don't know why I'm still playing it sometimes it's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. I feel a rage burning of the game coming on soon if they don't get this sorted!

Its not only in Trials its the whole game!! Why should we be penalised for ppl with bad internet ? We suffer because they lag, it only takes 1 person on this game with shiternet and the game goes down the pan!! Put them all in the same lobby and leave us to enjoy our game!

The problem is sometimes the redbar isn't the quality of the connection, it is the proximity of the connection to host. That is not to say there isn't manipulation or that there are not some that stay on wifi with quality of the connection that fluctuates greatly; but more often than not, the redbars are people that are connecting for around the globe in the same match. Example: I have a dedicated full DSL line hardwired to my PS4 that 90% of the time is green, especially when connecting now with the new net coding as a solo player. But if I connect with a couple of friends from around the country (east coast to west coast and deep south) I have seen anyone of us go red at times depending on who gets picked as host for the match. A few have huge pipes of bandwidth available. This leads me to believe that A). it isn't always client bandwidth that is the issue. B). Even with dedicated servers there still is going to be latency issues with players forming teams from differing locations around the world. C). The issue will continue if the goal is allow anyone around the glove to team up or match up against each other. The location of the server farm would still see latency at times depending on how teams are formed in the match making protocols. The solution really would be a combination of ensuring host quality and then proximity to that host, limiting you can be in your fireteam as well as who you are matched up against to ensure that latency is limited in that lobby. I know it would completely take some of the fun out of my experience if I can't team up with good friends in PA, CA, AL, NY and TX concurrently. But I really don't think the states connections are the problems if the server farm was centrally located. But now couple in the people in the clan that reside across the pond in Europe, Australia, and South America. Some of the good times I have had with people around the globe would be restricted... is that really what? With all the cries for matchmaking and not being able to find others to play content with, do you really want Bungie (via net coding) restricting whom you can join with? I don't know the right answer to this quandary, but I know that the limited scope described above isn't just solved with dedicated servers. The answer is much more complex than that... and probably restricting. So while dedicated servers probably selectively solves problems regionally around the globe... it would introduce a new set of issues to the mix. Including but not limited to locking more people out of activities in the title. Something no developer in their right mind is going to do in an open market game that isn't built on a competitive platform.

Ok so here goes it, it's worth a try. Petition for DS systems https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/193165466/0/0

There was a titan running into a wall today, i used my whole clip of doctrine, 60 bullets. He lived, teleported and supered me. They need too fix it

Umm, you can have amazing internet but becaus of this P2P BS you can red bar for all kinds of reasons. Main reason being your connection to the host of the match, not because of "bad" internet

Wouldn't work out correctly. I have seen people hold steady at green then fluctuate between green, yellow, and red a dozen times in the span of a few rounds. How about they make dedicated servers? Fixes lag problems almost entirely.

Bungie loves their statistics right? Maybe they should only let people who consistently have a good connection play the competitive games. That does not include people who get random lag spikes, just people with like a 9 kilobyte download and upload speed. Sadly we see a lot of people who appear to have that speed also. It would make a lot of people much happier if people got time outs when they don't have great internet.

Dont block them. Just match red bars with red bars and green bars with green bars.

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