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9/29/2009 7:25:49 AM
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Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

First off, I'd like to say thank you to Bungie for making an incredible game yet again! And I'd also like to say that Dante's Divine Comedy is one of my favorite pieces of classic literature. More of this in time. [b]As a note, I am neither for or against any religion mentioned in this post, it is purely from the standpoint of literature. I am discussing a novel, not religion.[/b] ----SPOILER WARNING----- If you haven't beaten the game yet, what are you doing cruising the forums? Go play! So there was this little novel written a while ago, by this one guy named Dante. It was a political satire, meant to make examples of current members of society and the Church at the time, but it's main influence is that of the views of Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven. And what does all this have to do with ODST, I can hear you all asking. Well, more than you think. I haven't analyzed the entire game for references, this is mostly just dealing with the Rookie's story. ---- The Rookie has crash landed into a building, has been knocked unconscious, and has awoken later to find himself alone in the city. The city is now quite literally Hell on Earth. But the Rookie is not truly alone. He has a guide through this hell, the SuperIntendent. Through the audio logs in the campaign, we come to find that the name of the SI is actually VERGIL. And you may have noticed that audio logs are all labeled "# Circle," all the way up to 9. Interesting. [quote]In the Divine Comedy, specifically the Inferno, Dante is guided through Hell by the Roman poet, Virgil. Hell consists of nine circles, each more horrible and punishing than the last. The circles of Hell spiral down into the Earth, to it's very core.[/quote] After you find out the fate of your squad, the Rookie heads underground to locate DARE. You find yourself on the 8th level of VERGIL's data center. You need to locate Dare, who is on the 9th level. Fancy that. After much fighting, you find yourself on the 9th level, which happens to be almost completely frozen... [quote]The 9th circle of Hell, in the Inferno, is actually cold. Ice cold. The punishment here is for that of Treason. The higher the crime, the more encased in ice you shall be. The very center of the 9th circle is where Satan himself resides, encased in ice up to his waist, beating his wings, whose gusts of air cause the 9th circle to be encased in ice. Satan himself has three faces, and each is chewing on the three (at the time) greatest betrayers. Their punishment for betraying their lords and benefactors is to be eternally gnawed on by Satan himself.[/quote] The Rookie and DARE finally reach VERGIL's core, and there they find the source of this whole fiasco. The rogue Engineer. He has chosen to betray his benefactors, his lords, the entire whole of the Covenant itself. And they are literally coming to chew him to pieces. ---- There you have it folks. My analysis, and hypothesis, and all other sorts of -sis. I've only played through campaign once, but there may be even further references to the Divine Comedy. There are 9 levels of purgatory before one reaches Paradise(Heaven). If someone could confirm how many sections of freeway there are in the final level, we may have our answer. The escape at the end of the game could very well be the escape from Purgatory. If anyone else has more references to levels of Hell, or to any of the other campaign character's stories, please let me know, I'd be interested to see how far they have taken this. For further reference, hit up Wikipedia, it's pretty extensive. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_comedy[/url] Thanks so much to whoever stuck around and dealt with my massive post. Happy Haloing to you all. tl;dr: Go read a book =P -----ADDITIONAL FINDINGS----- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Overlord Jebus Maybe each of the 9 circles of audio logs each represent their circle? I can already think of gluttony and lust off the top of my head.[/quote] Thanks for bringing this up, we need to just double check to make sure that each "Circle" of audio logs corresponds to the sin of that particular circle of Hell, which I already know it does. --- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G OP, you mentioned that Satan has 3 heads that chew on the 3 greatest betrayers? And that the brutes were coming to "chew" on Vergil? How appropriate that there were 3 of them knocking on his door.[/quote] Kickass! How sure are you? I've only played the campaign through once.[/quote] I'm pretty much 100% sure. There's two at the doorway trying taunting Vergil, and a Chieftain behind them.[/quote] Yet another connection, possibly. If anyone can confirm this for sure, that would be amazing. The pieces seem to be falling into place =) [Edited on 09.29.2009 1:26 AM PDT]
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  • This is awesome.

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  • I have no idea what your talking about, but nicely done! Two thumbs up man!

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  • *nods reverently* very good deduction my friend. I'll award you more so then anyother person I've done to date. +1000 cool points. Cool points are applied directly to your man/woman card.

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  • I was thinking about the poem while I was playing (mainly because of vergil) but damn, the entire campaign is a poem. Very clever bungie. it's still taking EA longer to make the actual story. and you did it in seven-eight months. clever. [Edited on 10.20.2009 7:25 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Comm4nd3r Four Holy crap dude I am in awe of your skills. I never would have gotten this on my own but it all fits.[/quote] I had actually speculated that Vergil would be your quide, a-la Dante's Inferno, right after the "Prepare to Drop" video was released. Never thought it'd be this extensive though, made me happy. =)[/quote] also don't forget hte ODST's (AKA Helljumpers) motto "Feet First into Hell"

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  • I didn't read all 17 pages of this topic so sorry if someone mentioned it. Bungie throwing in the [b] (SPOILERS) [/b] cop betraying you event on the 9th level was a nice touch. Playing through a third time now! Props to the OP!

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  • The dialog in this game is best since HCE. I just started playing through again on Legendary. Thread Saved.

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  • Dutch says "I'm parapharsing you heathen!" funny man that dutch

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  • Its not about having a favorite book to reference. All of Halo is in reference to biblical events/books. Go to halopedia and look up biblical references, theres a damn ton!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WTFWHERESURHEAD you know... bungie probably didnt even intend it to be this way its probably a random happening that you just found to match up with the game... for some reason each halo game has to have some religious crap evolving around it... then again... i did hear mickey (in kizingo blvd.) when i got a head shot on a grunt "praise jah! jah is short for jehovah, jehovah = jehovahs witnesses... oh god this game is fricken religious... D=[/quote] "Like the good book says, payback's a -blam!-" "I don't think that's actually in there" "[idk what he says], you heathen!"

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G OP, you mentioned that Satan has 3 heads that chew on the 3 greatest betrayers? And that the brutes were coming to "chew" on Vergil? How appropriate that there were 3 of them knocking on his door.[/quote] Kickass! How sure are you? I've only played the campaign through once.[/quote] I'm pretty much 100% sure. There's two at the doorway trying taunting Vergil, and a Chieftain behind them.[/quote] Yet another connection, possibly. If anyone can confirm this for sure, that would be amazing. The pieces seem to be falling into place =)[/quote] I'm 100% Positive there are three waiting for it.

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  • Pretty nice.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FenixRaquen I dont think the game is based on Dantes inferno. But with the new information you showed me, it leads me to believe that there are hints to the inferno in ODST. I say inferno because you fail to mention purgatory or heaven, but neither allusions are in ODST. [/quote] Never said that there were any allusions to Purgatory or Paradise. I'm extremely skeptical of anything past Inferno references actually, since those are pretty darn solid. Someone posted a link to an article on the previous page, I believe, where Fourth Wall (the people who did Sadie's Story) said that the Inferno was very heavily referenced. [/quote] Leave it up to the smart child to ruin my gaming experience[s?] forever. But still, good find. <3

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FenixRaquen I dont think the game is based on Dantes inferno. But with the new information you showed me, it leads me to believe that there are hints to the inferno in ODST. I say inferno because you fail to mention purgatory or heaven, but neither allusions are in ODST. [/quote] Never said that there were any allusions to Purgatory or Paradise. I'm extremely skeptical of anything past Inferno references actually, since those are pretty darn solid. Someone posted a link to an article on the previous page, I believe, where Fourth Wall (the people who did Sadie's Story) said that the Inferno was very heavily referenced.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] soccerjedi2007 Here is more evidence to back up your theory; I found this: [url]http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=97972588[/url] [url]http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=97972696[/url] That's right its the the Dark Prince Himself!!!![/quote] Sorry to burst your bubble but those are just textures that have also been found in Halo 3.

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  • I dont think the game is based on Dantes inferno. But with the new information you showed me, it leads me to believe that there are hints to the inferno in ODST. I say inferno because you fail to mention purgatory or heaven, but neither allusions are in ODST.

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  • Holy -blam!-! I just played through an epic poem!!! Nice find Danves! I was wondering what those circles mean. Bungie is very clever! soccerjedi2007, you're a genius for finding the Dark Prince! AWESOME [Edited on 10.17.2009 8:08 PM PDT]

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  • I read that poem!! Good job OP!

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  • Here is more evidence to back up your theory; I found this: [url]http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=97972588[/url] [url]http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=97972696[/url] That's right its the the Dark Prince Himself!!!!

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  • I don't know if anyone has said anything about this but, the Schism between the Elites and the rest of the covenant has actually religious refrence too. Muslims had a split like this one between the Sunnies(over-all covenant) and the Shiites(elites), that has very particular impact on their society. At least I think all of that is right.... Anyway more info for the brain. [Edited on 10.15.2009 2:27 PM PDT]

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  • Danves and Bungie just asploded my brain. Nice job!

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  • I'm studying that book right now. In fact, was working on it less than an hour ago. I never noticed that though. Nice post. -Save Thread-

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Vengeful Donkey I played a book? GET IT OFF ME!!![/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Terensire "I kind of hate you people. You are like the guy who "solved the secret of sandtrap" a few months ago. We have a good game. We like the game. The game likes us. There are one or two things that kind of don't make sence. THEN YOU MORONS COME IN WITH BIBLICAL REFERENCES AND F#@$ UP THE WHOLE THING!. Now whenever I play I will be thinking of this, and how Bungie puts little messages in the game, AND I WILL GO INSANE!!" Yo Ryguy Not biblical. Dante did not write the Bible, The Inferno was a social satire most of which critiqued the terrible things that the church had done like say offering to pay your way into heaven. Regardless, its not that a few things here don't make sense and the religious folk are jumping to conclusions, the game is basicly a Sparknote article of the entire poem. Both main characters are knocked unconcious on the way to the city, both pass through evil people being punished for their crimes (greedy lady crushed by atm, homicidal police man shot by firing squad), the final level an underground land of ice. The point is that what Bungie has done is taken an amazing and classical piece of literature akin to works like the Odyssey or Shakespear's plays and integrated it into their own story. It was not done to anger over-sensitive and uninformed gamers like you who want any excuse to fly off the handle, but instead to enrich the entire experience and make it more enjoyable by asking you to use your brain. Were sorry thats to taxing for you. [/quote] I agree. This game isn't an attempt at subliminal evangelism. None of the Halo games are. The writers of the game's plot simply embedded references to some of the most influential works of literature of all time into the storyline. There's nothing religious about it and there's no need to dig deep to find out a greater "message" in the game. I'm going to contrast this to something like Fight Club because a lot of us have seen the movie or read the book. That book is FILLED with references to so many things, mostly popular culture. But that doesn't necessarily mean, as most of us know, that the book is about popular culture itself. And if anyone thinks that it is, then they're thinking in the absolute wrong direction from what the point really is. Another work of literature that is said to have a lot of Christian themes embedded in it that a lot of us read as children is The Chronicles of Narnia series, which I personally read and enjoyed when I was younger and even still I think they're good books but I had no idea that C.S. Lewis was making ANY religious references or themes in them until I was in my senior year of high school and one of my literature classes pretty much dissected it. I'm not religious personally. I was raised in a Southern Baptist household so I'm familiar with Christianity, but the more references that I found in this series of books the more I was like "Wow. This is pretty well thought out." I see it as more like an easter egg hunt. Some of the things you see are obvious and some of them take an educated mind to understand or take time and research to be able to put together. But none the less, they're all there for everyone's enjoyment no matter who we are or what part of society we belong to. You'd be surprised, though, at how many modern works make references to classic ones. [Edited on 10.15.2009 1:38 PM PDT]

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  • wow pretty bad ass thread dude. makes the game better for some reason

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  • Good to know the game was a complete rip... I wonder what the lawsuit would look like if Dante were alive... I reside currently/constantly at/in 7.

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