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9/29/2009 7:25:49 AM
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Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

First off, I'd like to say thank you to Bungie for making an incredible game yet again! And I'd also like to say that Dante's Divine Comedy is one of my favorite pieces of classic literature. More of this in time. [b]As a note, I am neither for or against any religion mentioned in this post, it is purely from the standpoint of literature. I am discussing a novel, not religion.[/b] ----SPOILER WARNING----- If you haven't beaten the game yet, what are you doing cruising the forums? Go play! So there was this little novel written a while ago, by this one guy named Dante. It was a political satire, meant to make examples of current members of society and the Church at the time, but it's main influence is that of the views of Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven. And what does all this have to do with ODST, I can hear you all asking. Well, more than you think. I haven't analyzed the entire game for references, this is mostly just dealing with the Rookie's story. ---- The Rookie has crash landed into a building, has been knocked unconscious, and has awoken later to find himself alone in the city. The city is now quite literally Hell on Earth. But the Rookie is not truly alone. He has a guide through this hell, the SuperIntendent. Through the audio logs in the campaign, we come to find that the name of the SI is actually VERGIL. And you may have noticed that audio logs are all labeled "# Circle," all the way up to 9. Interesting. [quote]In the Divine Comedy, specifically the Inferno, Dante is guided through Hell by the Roman poet, Virgil. Hell consists of nine circles, each more horrible and punishing than the last. The circles of Hell spiral down into the Earth, to it's very core.[/quote] After you find out the fate of your squad, the Rookie heads underground to locate DARE. You find yourself on the 8th level of VERGIL's data center. You need to locate Dare, who is on the 9th level. Fancy that. After much fighting, you find yourself on the 9th level, which happens to be almost completely frozen... [quote]The 9th circle of Hell, in the Inferno, is actually cold. Ice cold. The punishment here is for that of Treason. The higher the crime, the more encased in ice you shall be. The very center of the 9th circle is where Satan himself resides, encased in ice up to his waist, beating his wings, whose gusts of air cause the 9th circle to be encased in ice. Satan himself has three faces, and each is chewing on the three (at the time) greatest betrayers. Their punishment for betraying their lords and benefactors is to be eternally gnawed on by Satan himself.[/quote] The Rookie and DARE finally reach VERGIL's core, and there they find the source of this whole fiasco. The rogue Engineer. He has chosen to betray his benefactors, his lords, the entire whole of the Covenant itself. And they are literally coming to chew him to pieces. ---- There you have it folks. My analysis, and hypothesis, and all other sorts of -sis. I've only played through campaign once, but there may be even further references to the Divine Comedy. There are 9 levels of purgatory before one reaches Paradise(Heaven). If someone could confirm how many sections of freeway there are in the final level, we may have our answer. The escape at the end of the game could very well be the escape from Purgatory. If anyone else has more references to levels of Hell, or to any of the other campaign character's stories, please let me know, I'd be interested to see how far they have taken this. For further reference, hit up Wikipedia, it's pretty extensive. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_comedy[/url] Thanks so much to whoever stuck around and dealt with my massive post. Happy Haloing to you all. tl;dr: Go read a book =P -----ADDITIONAL FINDINGS----- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Overlord Jebus Maybe each of the 9 circles of audio logs each represent their circle? I can already think of gluttony and lust off the top of my head.[/quote] Thanks for bringing this up, we need to just double check to make sure that each "Circle" of audio logs corresponds to the sin of that particular circle of Hell, which I already know it does. --- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G OP, you mentioned that Satan has 3 heads that chew on the 3 greatest betrayers? And that the brutes were coming to "chew" on Vergil? How appropriate that there were 3 of them knocking on his door.[/quote] Kickass! How sure are you? I've only played the campaign through once.[/quote] I'm pretty much 100% sure. There's two at the doorway trying taunting Vergil, and a Chieftain behind them.[/quote] Yet another connection, possibly. If anyone can confirm this for sure, that would be amazing. The pieces seem to be falling into place =) [Edited on 09.29.2009 1:26 AM PDT]
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  • The fact alone that the roman poet is named virgil is convincing me that Bungie is full of cleverly (almost)plaguerizing storywriters

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  • I know, I mean about his theory

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  • Nicely found.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anglerfish00 This is very interesting I did come across something though, someone might have already said it, but oh well I was on firefight on Chasm 10, and I noticed a sign that said "Sublevel 10" I wonder what that means....[/quote] It's one of the levels in the underground ONI facility. Also, i'm glad i'm not the only one to appreciate the brilliance of Bungie. If you look closer, you'll find many more references to many other things subtly included within a video game.

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  • I already knew this, it is quite awesome, I must say.

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  • This is very interesting I did come across something though, someone might have already said it, but oh well I was on firefight on Chasm 10, and I noticed a sign that said "Sublevel 10" I wonder what that means....

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  • Just to verify, there are in fact three brutes knocking on Virgil's door. two lower class and a chieftain

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mooredoor1 Hey im sorry to burst your bubble but your not the first one to find this. [url]http://halostory.bungie.org/news.html[/url] just found another site with this infor [url]http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273017[/url] Infact there are loads of people who have found this, sorry[/quote] Hey, never said I was the first to find it out, I'm just glad that other people are making connections =) Edit: Haha, just looked at the links, and the second one is a repost of this exact thread. So as far as I know, (aside from speculation before the game was released) the thread on HBO (where your first link got its info from) was the first to post about this. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MLG Cheehwawa [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26524007&postRepeater1-p=1#26524789]Called it last year[/url]. /thread ;)[/quote] D'aww, beat me to it =P I called it exactly 2 weeks after you did, good show! [Edited on 10.29.2009 3:22 PM PDT]

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  • Lol, that's awesome.

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  • The Drone Hive is like Satan, then the facility leads further down to the Ark portal (Purgatory), up into the Earthly paradise/Eden (the location of the portal is by where humanity first evolved), and to the 10 circles of Heaven beyond (the Ark safehaven); this setup would also be paralleled by other religions like Ark = Valhalla in Norse. [Edited on 10.29.2009 11:17 AM PDT]

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  • Hey im sorry to burst your bubble but your not the first one to find this. [url]http://halostory.bungie.org/news.html[/url] just found another site with this infor [url]http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273017[/url] Infact there are loads of people who have found this, sorry [Edited on 10.29.2009 10:38 AM PDT]

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  • AMAZING FIND. Really.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPARTAN 307 Satans three heads gnawing on each other reminds me of trying to bite your own ear. Just, awkward. But good reference, especially the 9 circles of hell. Explains the labeling of the Audio Logs.[/quote] You try to bite your ears? <0.0> [Edited on 10.29.2009 9:54 AM PDT]

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  • [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26524007&postRepeater1-p=1#26524789]Called it last year[/url]. /thread ;)

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  • Gluttony is in there. Remember the gigantic butcher who was trying to get Sadie to eat some kabobs? I think lust is in there as well, when the NMPD Chief might have wanted to...um...violate Sadie. Second one could be reaching, but you never know.

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  • Nice find mate but it could of been a bit shorter hey and also virgil and the rookie have some connection in the game since when would you choose to stand next to an alien than your own kind

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  • I PLAYED A PEOM OMFG WHAT THE HELL IS THIS WORLD TURING TO!!!!!!!

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  • This is an excellent find. I've never read the divine comedy, but I'm going to, now, just to see the references. I'm sure the connections go deeper than we think. Having, also, not read the whole of the 18 pages, I've not seen if you've made any more connections, but I look forward to reading them all. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cadetak It begins by Dante being shown lost in a dark wood at night contemplating suicide. He is attacked by three beasts that he cannot escape and is unable to find his way. He is rescued by Virgil and the begin their journey into Hell....in ODST we have Dante lost in a dark city at night evading Brutes and being led by Superintendent/Virgil.[/quote] ...this, for example, could go deeper if you break it down. 1. Dante's lost in a dark wood 2. He's attacked by 3 beasts 3. ...that he can't escaped from nor can he find his way. 4. He's rescued by Virgil 1. The Rookie is lost in the night-time streets of New Mombasa 2. He's attacked by three squads before reaching Virgil (first around the first closed route, second in the first open area and third just before meeting Virgil 3. Simply running away from them won't work as there is no way out of the area without meeting Virgil first (the route is closed until later, and the door leading to the first set of sleeping Grunts is locked) 4. The Rookie is essentially rescued by Virgil when he is given access to the map.

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  • clever find

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  • I just thought of something else here: In [i]The Divine Comedy[/i], Virgil and Dante exit Hell by sliding down Satan's back and going down through a hole which deposits them on Mount Purgatory. I have two theories here now: 1. You go back down the Superintendent's data center, go down a hole, walk through a few rooms with Drones and go up an elevator. This journey upwards could represent the journey up Mount Purgatory, and then going through the Coastal Highway could be like going up more of Mount Purgatory, or going through Paradise. 2. The hole with the Legendary Ending mystery structure can be seen from the Superintendent's data center, you just can't see what is in it without going into theatre mode. That could also represent Purgatory, and maybe Paradise at the end??? This Paradise being something other than the Ark, and the structure in the Legendary Ending not being connected to the Portal to the Ark. Maybe having something to do with Dyson Spheres, since Paradise in the Divine Comedy is made up of concentric spheres. 3. Near the end of [i]The Divine Comedy[/i], Dante sees God as a ball of light surrounded by angels in the 9th concentric sphere (level) of Paradise. Could this be relating to the very bright Slipspace crater surrounded by Covenant cruisers, or the moon in the center of the Ark? (the one that is mined by Sentinels to create the Halo rings and recreate ones that are destroyed, like how there were Sentinels that built the Portal generator on Earth) [Edited on 10.31.2009 1:22 PM PDT]

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  • if they cinfirm this ill pay you. will smiles of course bt still. nice findings, i knew there had to be more than just a game

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] V101 Did you also notice the frozen section when you are going through the computer network tunnels to get Virgil? As you go through those levels/tunnels you go through an area that is literally frozen. It looks like some coolant tank burst and basically froze the immediate area. But it also makes sense in regards to your idea... Nice thinking :)[/quote] You find out what happened in there in Sadie's Story. What happened was *SPOILER* *SPOILER* *SPOILER* *SPOILER*, not coolant tanks bursting.

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  • lol nice find.

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  • Did you also notice the frozen section when you are going through the computer network tunnels to get Virgil? As you go through those levels/tunnels you go through an area that is literally frozen. It looks like some coolant tank burst and basically froze the immediate area. But it also makes sense in regards to your idea... Nice thinking :) [Edited on 10.24.2009 11:18 PM PDT]

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  • yeah its all over the place, its on the barrier when you first drop into the streets!

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  • Thats bad-ass. It sort of reminds me of Leauge of Extraordinary Gentlemen, what with making classic literature awesome again. Also, anybody notice a Ghostbusters refrence first time to play as Dutch? I pulled my splazer and he shouted "Don't cross my stream!" Just sayin'.

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