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9/29/2009 7:25:49 AM
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Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

First off, I'd like to say thank you to Bungie for making an incredible game yet again! And I'd also like to say that Dante's Divine Comedy is one of my favorite pieces of classic literature. More of this in time. [b]As a note, I am neither for or against any religion mentioned in this post, it is purely from the standpoint of literature. I am discussing a novel, not religion.[/b] ----SPOILER WARNING----- If you haven't beaten the game yet, what are you doing cruising the forums? Go play! So there was this little novel written a while ago, by this one guy named Dante. It was a political satire, meant to make examples of current members of society and the Church at the time, but it's main influence is that of the views of Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven. And what does all this have to do with ODST, I can hear you all asking. Well, more than you think. I haven't analyzed the entire game for references, this is mostly just dealing with the Rookie's story. ---- The Rookie has crash landed into a building, has been knocked unconscious, and has awoken later to find himself alone in the city. The city is now quite literally Hell on Earth. But the Rookie is not truly alone. He has a guide through this hell, the SuperIntendent. Through the audio logs in the campaign, we come to find that the name of the SI is actually VERGIL. And you may have noticed that audio logs are all labeled "# Circle," all the way up to 9. Interesting. [quote]In the Divine Comedy, specifically the Inferno, Dante is guided through Hell by the Roman poet, Virgil. Hell consists of nine circles, each more horrible and punishing than the last. The circles of Hell spiral down into the Earth, to it's very core.[/quote] After you find out the fate of your squad, the Rookie heads underground to locate DARE. You find yourself on the 8th level of VERGIL's data center. You need to locate Dare, who is on the 9th level. Fancy that. After much fighting, you find yourself on the 9th level, which happens to be almost completely frozen... [quote]The 9th circle of Hell, in the Inferno, is actually cold. Ice cold. The punishment here is for that of Treason. The higher the crime, the more encased in ice you shall be. The very center of the 9th circle is where Satan himself resides, encased in ice up to his waist, beating his wings, whose gusts of air cause the 9th circle to be encased in ice. Satan himself has three faces, and each is chewing on the three (at the time) greatest betrayers. Their punishment for betraying their lords and benefactors is to be eternally gnawed on by Satan himself.[/quote] The Rookie and DARE finally reach VERGIL's core, and there they find the source of this whole fiasco. The rogue Engineer. He has chosen to betray his benefactors, his lords, the entire whole of the Covenant itself. And they are literally coming to chew him to pieces. ---- There you have it folks. My analysis, and hypothesis, and all other sorts of -sis. I've only played through campaign once, but there may be even further references to the Divine Comedy. There are 9 levels of purgatory before one reaches Paradise(Heaven). If someone could confirm how many sections of freeway there are in the final level, we may have our answer. The escape at the end of the game could very well be the escape from Purgatory. If anyone else has more references to levels of Hell, or to any of the other campaign character's stories, please let me know, I'd be interested to see how far they have taken this. For further reference, hit up Wikipedia, it's pretty extensive. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_comedy[/url] Thanks so much to whoever stuck around and dealt with my massive post. Happy Haloing to you all. tl;dr: Go read a book =P -----ADDITIONAL FINDINGS----- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Overlord Jebus Maybe each of the 9 circles of audio logs each represent their circle? I can already think of gluttony and lust off the top of my head.[/quote] Thanks for bringing this up, we need to just double check to make sure that each "Circle" of audio logs corresponds to the sin of that particular circle of Hell, which I already know it does. --- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G OP, you mentioned that Satan has 3 heads that chew on the 3 greatest betrayers? And that the brutes were coming to "chew" on Vergil? How appropriate that there were 3 of them knocking on his door.[/quote] Kickass! How sure are you? I've only played the campaign through once.[/quote] I'm pretty much 100% sure. There's two at the doorway trying taunting Vergil, and a Chieftain behind them.[/quote] Yet another connection, possibly. If anyone can confirm this for sure, that would be amazing. The pieces seem to be falling into place =) [Edited on 09.29.2009 1:26 AM PDT]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] moofant Very good analysis. I am still working on my overall analysis of themes of all the halo games. The halo series has a meaning, a [i]theme[/i]. Few people realize this, but anyone with a high school level english class under their belt is able to comprehend it. But it's [b]deep[/b], really deep.[/quote] Thankee sai. And you should hit me up once you're done with it, or post it somewhere on the forums. I'll be interested in reading it =)[/quote] Will do. It's gonna be a while though. There's just [i]so[/i] much ground to cover.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] moofant Very good analysis. I am still working on my overall analysis of themes of all the halo games. The halo series has a meaning, a [i]theme[/i]. Few people realize this, but anyone with a high school level english class under their belt is able to comprehend it. But it's [b]deep[/b], really deep.[/quote] Thankee sai. And you should hit me up once you're done with it, or post it somewhere on the forums. I'll be interested in reading it =)

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  • Wow, thanks for the information. The audio logs make a bunch more sense now, thanks! :)

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  • woah...i knew that the previous halo games had a theme or idea behind them but i never actually thought that ODSTs would be this deep...i just spent like an hour reading and rereading this forum and it still just fasinates me every time. i've always be interested in old legends, tales, myths, religion, and all the sort, but i never thought i would ever be able to see it connected to a game the way this one is. i have to know more...

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  • Very good analysis. I am still working on my overall analysis of themes of all the halo games. The halo series has a meaning, a [i]theme[/i]. Few people realize this, but anyone with a high school level english class under their belt is able to comprehend it. But it's [b]deep[/b], really deep.

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  • Wait just a minute... The last two digits on "The Rookies" service tag are "J" and "D" Now, as I'm sure everyone here knows (or maybe not), The last two digits in a service tag are the initials of the soldier's name. Could it possibly be that the "D" stands for "Dante"? If so, that would just blow my mind. note: Zekkalkan gets all credit for finding the "initials" thing

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  • I don't know for sure but Dante escapes Hell right? Well at the end when the squad escapes New Mombassa, isn't it the same as escaping Hell?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kabiata [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPARTAN 307 Satans three heads gnawing on each other reminds me of trying to bite your own ear. Just, awkward. But good reference, especially the 9 circles of hell. Explains the labeling of the Audio Logs.[/quote] The faces are chewing on betrayers, not themselves. The three are Brutus and Cassius, who were involved in the assassination of Julius Caesar, and Judas Iscariot, for obvious reasons.[/quote] I didnt know it was Judas Iscariot, I thought it was the guy that invented homework[/quote] Well we can sure as hell throw him in there now with the kind of homework I've been getting lately.

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  • i've probably already posted in this thread ages back saying "well done" but i keep coming back to re-read this....awesome work!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Excal XVII Nice work.[/quote] Good find.

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  • Not sure if this was stated before or not, but when you have 29/30 of the audio logs and the lone NMPD officer investigates Dr. Endesha's body, he become hostile and turns on the Rookie. And thus Treason in sublevel 9. Also, the Legendary ending depicts Truth in sublevel 9 as some Engineers excavate the Portal. Truth can be seen as a fallen angel of sorts, as Satan was once Lucifer (though that is Paradise Lost) and he now rules "Hell" in a sense.

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  • Wow Bungie. Now I feel like I played through even less than half a game. No offense, that's just how I feel right now

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  • Good job this was very interesting.

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  • Id Say i am in aw and a congratulations for you should be in order Its a pretty in Depth connection

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  • I knew I did...so Ha!!

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  • Very interesting. I've never read Dante's Inferno, but I will have to check it out.

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  • This thread is incredible. I had begun to realize the religious implications of the Halo games as Master Chief dies to protect the human race, the 117, etc. Also, I think it's funny that EA released a Dante's Inferno game. I wasn't planning on playing that, but now I want to because I want to see if Bungie can stealthily do The Divine Comedy better than the game of the same name.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPARTAN 307 Satans three heads gnawing on each other reminds me of trying to bite your own ear. Just, awkward. But good reference, especially the 9 circles of hell. Explains the labeling of the Audio Logs.[/quote] The faces are chewing on betrayers, not themselves. The three are Brutus and Cassius, who were involved in the assassination of Julius Caesar, and Judas Iscariot, for obvious reasons.[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPARTAN 307 Satans three heads gnawing on each other reminds me of trying to bite your own ear. Just, awkward. But good reference, especially the 9 circles of hell. Explains the labeling of the Audio Logs.[/quote] The faces are chewing on betrayers, not themselves. The three are Brutus and Cassius, who were involved in the assassination of Julius Caesar, and Judas Iscariot, for obvious reasons.[/quote] Don't you find this interesting how satan's three heads were gnawing on "Brutus" It almost sounds like Brutes. Just thought i would let you know.

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  • Has anyone else noticed that the soldiers u play as r calld hell-jumpers ?? OH BOY I DID IT AGAIN

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  • that does make alot of sense, i like dantes writings

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  • it makes sense. every circle of the audio logs is the name of a circle of hell. for example, the circle with the butcher jonas, it contributes to the circle of gluttony. bungie is more clever than we thought. its almost like a future form of the poem set in 2552

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  • I can't remember if anyone already pointed this out, but at the end of Inferno, Dante and Virgil reach the lowest part of Hell, climb down Satan, the world flips and they find themselves at the beginning of the road that leads to Mt. Purgatory. Hello Coastal Highway. I was discussing this with my mate when he came over last night (he's read all 3 parts of the Divine Comedy) and he pointed that one out.

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  • Holy crap I never noticed this even though I myself have read all of the 'Divine Comedia.' I give this dude an A+ or something because that's definitely putting two and two together!

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  • Epic indeed ... as well as the time it took to read all 21 pages of this thread. I need to go read the poem. I already loved ODST, but this just makes it even better. I had already noticed the nine circles and the fact that sub-level 9 was frozen as a reference to speculation about Hell, but since I hadn't read Dante's work I didn't connect them. Good work on all this guys. ADDED: Just looked at the map of New Mombassa, the are 9 sections (separated by the huge doors you have to manually open) to it, including the area with the destroyed bridge. [Edited on 02.15.2010 5:00 PM PST]

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  • ahh... you've been connecting the dots too... I have been working on this for a while but got lost in work and such, glad to see someone else has interests like me! nice work

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPARTAN 307 Satans three heads gnawing on each other reminds me of trying to bite your own ear. Just, awkward. But good reference, especially the 9 circles of hell. Explains the labeling of the Audio Logs.[/quote] The faces are chewing on betrayers, not themselves. The three are Brutus and Cassius, who were involved in the assassination of Julius Caesar, and Judas Iscariot, for obvious reasons.[/quote] I didnt know it was Judas Iscariot, I thought it was the guy that invented homework

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